Help me make a final decision

sportsfanmas · July 6, 2016

ok, guys I'm struggling mightily with what I want to go forward with on TEW. I want to try a dynasty report of some kind, but I want something that is going to spark interest. I am not a creative writer of any kind, and I want to write a report that gets feedback, good or bad. So I'm throwing it out there for you guys. What would you guys like to see? I'm creating a poll with this thread to get ideas. Keep in mind I'm using the real world update mod that mildly_amusing has been working on. I've listed a few choices to vote on.

1. Stick with my Kansas Championship Wrestling thread. People will get into it when I get more into it.

2. Take on WWE right off the bat and keep them at the top.

3. Try to bring TNA back to greatness.

4. Go with Ring of Honor, they are the hot thing going in American Wrestling right now.

5. A regional or lower sized fed that's already created in the database (if possible list options here).

6. Screw the real world mod, take a challenge and try the C-Verse.

7. Find a different real world mod, one from the 80's, 90's or early 2000's and install it and work with something there.

As I said, I want to write about something that I will get feedback on, because in the future, I want my dynasty reports to be better, so I need any and all feedback and suggestions. Thanks guys.

sportsfanmas · July 6, 2016

For those that have voted, I would love to hear why you voted the way that you did, just so that I can get an idea. to be perfectly honest, I am so clueless on what I want to do that it's ridiculous. There are so many mods I'd like to try, the C-Verse would be a challenge just because it isn't real world wrestlers and promotions, the real world mods go from current to the 80's, I just don't know. Someone give me some insight on why they voted the way they did and why they would like to see me do something specific.

mvargus · July 6, 2016

I tend to avoid voting for these because in the end you have to be happy with the decision you make and I don't know you well.

Personally I find the real life mods unwelcoming. I either try to book the way it was done originally, or I'll push a few wrestlers I like, but keep the rest the way there were/are and honestly, the WWE and TNA both bore the heck out of me.

Now if you want feedback, trying a dynasty will often work, but it can take time before people are interested. Many dynasties get in fewer than 20 posts and then end. Or are posted slowly. If you want interest you have to be prepared to post regularly and post for a couple weeks while building interest from the regular viewers of the dynasty forum.

Sisma · July 6, 2016

I voted for C-VERSE.

Up until now, I've only played real world mods. TEW2010, TEW2013, I never even bothered with the C-VERSE. This time I decided to give it a shot, mostly because I didn't want to wait for a real world mod that isn't converted from TEW2013 data.

I have to say that I find it a lot more enjoyable than the real world mods and have no intention of going back to them. The fact that we are talking about fictitious characters, gives you the chance to be a lot more creative with your booking decisions. Like it or not, what happens in real life influences our in game decisions when it comes to real world mods. I think so, at least.

With the C-Verse, especially since I had no knowledge of it prior to starting my current game, the immersion is immense. I wasted hours on just reading about the companies, the characters and the history of the universe, because I found it fascinating. Still, it didn't influence me in how to actually run my game.I run the company, book the angles and create characters based on my own creativity and that's what I enjoy the most.

Bigpapa42 · July 6, 2016

mvargus and Sisma bring up good points. Every mod plays differently and provides a different gaming experience. Some you might enjoy and love, while others not as much for various reasons. It really REALLY helps to get familiar with a mod, how it plays, and so on before diving into a diary project. Not an absolute necessity, but definitely recommended.

As well, diaries that are just a recap of someone playing don't tend to last all that long. Again, not an absolute but generally speaking. The ones that are more likely to last are the ones where someone has a specific story they want to tell. That desire to tell that story helps sustain the project through the grind of writing shows or recaps, especially when you face frustration from not getting as much feedback as you would like, which tends to be common for every diary writer.

Beejus · July 6, 2016

The first advice I have ever lent to anyone writing is do not write for feedback. I went and looked in on your KCW diary just now, and you don't have a single show up. It's hard to tell if people are interested if you haven't given them much to be interested in yet! If you don't feel like you want to continue the game, then maybe it wasn't meant to be. But I would say that you should give yourself a shot at it. Because once you get a few shows under your belt, you may attract a nice little fanbase. And that fanbase can follow you into another game, if you so choose to eventually get into something bigger like TNA or a 90s mod or even if it is the CV.

Personally, I don't often care much for this type of "created fed" diary, but that's just me. There are others who will be into that sort of game. But if you take some time to build yourself up, rather than jumping around from one game to the next, let people get to see your booking and writing skills, then you can do anything you want.

sportsfanmas · July 6, 2016

Thanks for all your feedback so far guys. I appreciate it very much. It appears that switching to the C-verse is the overwhelming favorite at this point. It looks like the number of real world dynasties far outweigh the C-Verse dynasties. I just don't know if I can get into the c-verse.

To beejus, I understand where you're coming from. Normally I wouldn't write for feedback, but this is a totally different element for me. I know I should stick with the KCW and give it a shot because if I keep bouncing around, I'll never attract viewership. I have decided that no matter what I do, my next dynasty attempt is going to stick. I'm hoping to write a minimum of 2 shows a week.

Let me respond to bigpapa42, as it sounds like I may be in trouble in the sense that with me not being a very creative write, my dynasty report would consist a lot of very basic card previews and very, very basic card recaps. Pretty much a results and ratings type of thing. I just know if I try to be creative and actually creative write the interviews and such like I've seen a lot of people do, it would be a flop.

I'm still torn on what to do. Part of me still wants to carry on with the KCW, but a part of me wants to try C-Verse for the reasons mentioned. I'm just afraid if I try C-verse and don't get into it, that will be pretty much it for my dynasty attempts. Thanks again everyone.

mvargus · July 6, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sportsfanmas" data-cite="sportsfanmas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42090" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks for all your feedback so far guys. I appreciate it very much. It appears that switching to the C-verse is the overwhelming favorite at this point. It looks like the number of real world dynasties far outweigh the C-Verse dynasties. I just don't know if I can get into the c-verse. To beejus, I understand where you're coming from. Normally I wouldn't write for feedback, but this is a totally different element for me. I know I should stick with the KCW and give it a shot because if I keep bouncing around, I'll never attract viewership. I have decided that no matter what I do, my next dynasty attempt is going to stick. I'm hoping to write a minimum of 2 shows a week. Let me respond to bigpapa42, as it sounds like I may be in trouble in the sense that with me not being a very creative write, my dynasty report would consist a lot of very basic card previews and very, very basic card recaps. Pretty much a results and ratings type of thing. I just know if I try to be creative and actually creative write the interviews and such like I've seen a lot of people do, it would be a flop. I'm still torn on what to do. Part of me still wants to carry on with the KCW, but a part of me wants to try C-Verse for the reasons mentioned. I'm just afraid if I try C-verse and don't get into it, that will be pretty much it for my dynasty attempts. Thanks again everyone.</div></blockquote> As someone who has a semi-successful dynasty going. (Kitsune Wrestling), I can say that getting the dynasty going and getting feedback just takes time. I've got a couple of regulars who offer their predictions of every card I post and have engaged me in conversation. A couple of others have posted occasionally. And that is without any graphics since I'm a writer not a graphic designer. Now as far as C-verse v Real. As Sisma points out in the C-verse you can do just about anything you want. There are a few wrestlers the older fans know and will recognize, but there are not locked in, "this man should be booked this way." situations. Every wrestler can be manipulated multiple ways and often in entertaining ways. There was a dynasty back in the 2010 Dynasty forum for SAW, if I remember it was "Simply Awesome Wrestling". The man putting it together generated an amazing story and his dynasty was from what I could see quite popular. But it wasn't that anyone was going to try the same thing. They were interested because he was doing something completely different and entertaining. That's the key with any dynasty. Just be interesting. If you write an interesting story around the cards and wrestlers, you'll get people reading and eventually providing feedback. But you can't give up quickly. Kitsune Wrestling is my 4th or 5th dynasty going back to 2010. Back then I gave up on a couple before I should have. It wasn't until I stuck through 3 game years with one that I found I could get a dynasty going if I was patient.

Bigpapa42 · July 6, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sportsfanmas" data-cite="sportsfanmas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42090" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Let me respond to bigpapa42, as it sounds like I may be in trouble in the sense that with me not being a very creative write, my dynasty report would consist a lot of very basic card previews and very, very basic card recaps. Pretty much a results and ratings type of thing. I just know if I try to be creative and actually creative write the interviews and such like I've seen a lot of people do, it would be a flop. I'm still torn on what to do. Part of me still wants to carry on with the KCW, but a part of me wants to try C-Verse for the reasons mentioned. I'm just afraid if I try C-verse and don't get into it, that will be pretty much it for my dynasty attempts. Thanks again everyone.</div></blockquote> There is absolutely nothing wrong with a basic approach to a diary. You don't need long, in-depth shows. Its about finding an approach that is comfortable for you, because the more it feels like a burden to write, the less likely one is to stick with it. That said, you also want to realize that less detail you give, the less content there is to appeal to potential readers. So just a pure results recap style with almost no detail or explanation isn't wrong, but there is just less to grab someone who will keep checking. You can get away with it a bit more with companies and workers that people know - describing an Austin promo from '98 isn't absolutely necessary, because a lot of readers will have seen those promos and know what they were like - but becomes a bit more problematic with custom promotions or workers. You don't necessarily need depth of detail to have a story you want to relate to readers. A way to think of it is "having a purpose". If the purpose is purely to share your booking/results, that's fine. That just might make the project hard to stick with if you aren't getting much immediate response. And immediate response isn't always there. Its true of this board and many others. For every project that lasts any length of time, there are a multitude more that last 2 shows or less. Many projects don't get a single show posted before they are abandoned for various reasons. That's not wrong of the writer, but it tends to make readers leery. And that means that many are not as quick to jump on board a new project. My intent was not and is not to discourage. Rather, just be aware of what you are getting into and why you might not be getting significant immediate response for any project, with any approach. As Beejus says, writing for feedback is almost never going to be satisfying.

sportsfanmas · July 6, 2016

Well, I would say the audience has spoken. I will be giving the C-Verse a try. It will be a few days before I get things started as I have a heavy work schedule the rest of the week, and I need to do some research and learn all I can about the C-verse so I can pick the right promotion to start with. I'll be looking for a smaller promotion with a nice chunk of change so that I don't go into debt right off the bat.

I have a few ideas for storylines and writing, I'm going to read some of the other dynasties to get an idea of how they are written. I'd like to include some graphics in my dynasty, but I have a feeling that may be a little hard for me at this point. I'm hoping I can write well enough to keep my interest and then go from there.

If anybody has any ideas for me on where to start, I'd love to hear them. I was told there used to be a place I could go to read all about the C-Verse, if anybody can help me out with that I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks for all your help guys. I'm looking forward to making this a project that I stick with for as long as possible, even if all I have is a small fed that can't compete with the big boys.

DarEatWorld · July 7, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sportsfanmas" data-cite="sportsfanmas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42090" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, I would say the audience has spoken. I will be giving the C-Verse a try. It will be a few days before I get things started as I have a heavy work schedule the rest of the week, and I need to do some research and learn all I can about the C-verse so I can pick the right promotion to start with. I'll be looking for a smaller promotion with a nice chunk of change so that I don't go into debt right off the bat. I have a few ideas for storylines and writing, I'm going to read some of the other dynasties to get an idea of how they are written. I'd like to include some graphics in my dynasty, but I have a feeling that may be a little hard for me at this point. I'm hoping I can write well enough to keep my interest and then go from there. If anybody has any ideas for me on where to start, I'd love to hear them. I was told there used to be a place I could go to read all about the C-Verse, if anybody can help me out with that I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks for all your help guys. I'm looking forward to making this a project that I stick with for as long as possible, even if all I have is a small fed that can't compete with the big boys.</div></blockquote> I'm brand new to the game and have started my first dynasty with my first save ('SNP - The Thistle in the Ashes' if you fancy a look). I played a couple of in-game years before deciding to start recording it here. I love the C-Verse but I would suggest that when you start playing you read every single news item that pops up. I do and I've found that it has increased my familiarity with the game world as a whole. As far as starting small with a fair bit of bank to back you up, you could do a whole lot worse than SNP though, in my experience at least, major tangible progress is slow going and the nature of the product makes a real break out difficult to create. I know nothing about graphic design but I have managed to get some basic graphics into my piece. It does help outsiders to feed into the world you're sharing I feel. You have to remember that while all your characters and angles and what not are familiar to you, most readers will be coming at them from scratch and a whole host of unfamiliar names with no pictures attached can be tough to commit to. Finally I would just say, whatever you choose to do, stick with it for a couple of real world months at least. It can take time for you to get immersed in your game, let alone for anybody else to. I look back at my first year booking SNP now and it wasn't pretty at times, I made several wrong moves that cost us a good chunk of change. My roster took a while to take shape and there were elements of the game mechanics that I took a while to figure out (simple example, it took me waaaaay too long to figure out that I could terminate PPA guy's contracts anytime I wanted to and not just when their 'contract' expired). My dressing room morale got dangerously toxic at one point. But I stuck with it, I feel that momentum has swung in the right direction and I'm confident going forward that if I can stay on the right side of the boss, SNP and I will take steps forward together. I think that my next big angle is going to shake the whole SNP upside down and will, hopefully, engage plenty of other C-Verse fans too. My best advice is make sure you're enjoying it and see where it goes from there. Be prepared to invest time and effort for yourself. My entire feedback from the greater GDS Family so far has come to just two words (and one response), "Loving this" (which are, to be fair, nice words to see) but I've no plans to stop writing. So stick with it, I'm excited to see what you come up with. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

shawn michaels · July 7, 2016

I don't get all the arguments that RW mods are limitating. If I wanna shave Ric Flair's head and make him a gladiator, I will. Just because it would be ridiculous in RL doesn't mean it wouldn't be an A* gimmick in game. If you find it limiting than you are probably forgetting that you shouldn't play the game entirely as RL. The whole point of playing the game is to establish our own side of things, even in a RW mod. So I voted for a RW Mod, as they can be not only fun, but immersive and easy to get into, considering you already know most of the people.

C-Verse can be fun as well ofc, but it will always take more time to know everyone. I've had enjoyment in it, especially with a few CZCW saves, so it's obviously good as well. But I personally prefer the RW Mods. I understand that, at the end of the day, it's all a matter of opinion and one will play whatever he wants/likes to, which is how it should be anyway...but the argument that RW Mods limit you isn't really something that has to happen at all. Doesn't happen to me.

Like I said, if I wanna shave Flair's head and put him as a Gladiator, I do. When playing it doesn't matter how ridiculous or not we think something would be, but instead how the game will rate it. Some ideas that could be good IRL might end up bombing in a game. Let the game decide and you'll suddenly realize such limitations do not exist. They sure don't for me.

sportsfanmas · July 7, 2016

Alright guys, change of plans again. I went through the C-Verse last night and a little this morning, and I just couldn't find a promotion that really interested me and fit my needs. That, and when I looked at the polls, all the categories involving real world mods actually outweighed the C-Verse, but not by much.

I think Real World is the way to go for me. I tend to agree with shawn michaels 82 a bit, why can't you do anything you want with a real world mod? Part of the fun is rewriting history and doing things with a certain wrestler that you would never in a million years think would happen. If it works, great. If not, it was worth a try.

So real world it is, now I just need to decide on a mod, a company, etc. I've been playing the current real world update mod which is fun and all, but if there is a finished mod out there that is from the 1990's, I'd almost be willing to check it out.

I think I'm going to take some time, look at some different mods that are finished, and pick the right mod and the right promotion to start my dynasty with. The last thing I want to do is start a project only to scrap it without much of an effort.

For those of you using real world mods, please let me know which one you use and how well it works so I can check them out. Thanks a heep everybody. Unfortunately I left the poll open and have no clue how to close it, so I won't be paying much attention to the poll anymore. I've got the info I need, now it's a matter of choosing a mod and promotion.

shawn michaels · July 7, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sportsfanmas" data-cite="sportsfanmas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42090" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Alright guys, change of plans again. I went through the C-Verse last night and a little this morning, and I just couldn't find a promotion that really interested me and fit my needs. That, and when I looked at the polls, all the categories involving real world mods actually outweighed the C-Verse, but not by much. I think Real World is the way to go for me. I tend to agree with shawn michaels 82 a bit, why can't you do anything you want with a real world mod? Part of the fun is rewriting history and doing things with a certain wrestler that you would never in a million years think would happen. If it works, great. If not, it was worth a try. So real world it is, now I just need to decide on a mod, a company, etc. I've been playing the current real world update mod which is fun and all, but if there is a finished mod out there that is from the 1990's, I'd almost be willing to check it out. I think I'm going to take some time, look at some different mods that are finished, and pick the right mod and the right promotion to start my dynasty with. The last thing I want to do is start a project only to scrap it without much of an effort. For those of you using real world mods, please let me know which one you use and how well it works so I can check them out. Thanks a heep everybody. Unfortunately I left the poll open and have no clue how to close it, so I won't be paying much attention to the poll anymore. I've got the info I need, now it's a matter of choosing a mod and promotion.</div></blockquote> Out of the top of my head I can remember Genadi's 1997 Montreal Mod already availabe and he'll have a couple more from the 90s, as well as 2001 WCW and some other good stuff. Hive has a great 1994 mod he is also bringing to TEW16 and is already on it's 1.1 version. Those are the ones I can remember from the 90s that are already out. Considering all that is going to be released, I'll be playing mostly almost everything from Genadi (2011, 90s and early 2000 mods.) and 2004's ruthless aggression from Idolized. I'll also be checking TheWho87 RW mod (curious to see how his work will be) and I'll religiously continue to use Fleisch's RW mod updates and they are, to me, the best current RW updates out there. Certainly the most well balanced, if you ask me. Most of the work I mentioned is from accomplished mod makers that I've played through the years, so I always play their mods because they are well balanced, quality stuff, and I know what to expect. If you're into the 80s there are also already some possibilities out there, and some other will come.

sportsfanmas · July 7, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42090" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Out of the top of my head I can remember Genadi's 1997 Montreal Mod already availabe and he'll have a couple more from the 90s, as well as 2001 WCW and some other good stuff. Hive has a great 1994 mod he is also bringing to TEW16 and is already on it's 1.1 version. Those are the ones I can remember from the 90s that are already out. Considering all that is going to be released, I'll be playing mostly almost everything from Genadi (2011, 90s and early 2000 mods.) and 2004's ruthless aggression from Idolized. I'll also be checking TheWho87 RW mod (curious to see how his work will be) and I'll religiously continue to use Fleisch's RW mod updates and they are, to me, the best current RW updates out there. Certainly the most well balanced, if you ask me. Most of the work I mentioned is from accomplished mod makers that I've played through the years, so I always play their mods because they are well balanced, quality stuff, and I know what to expect. If you're into the 80s there are also already some possibilities out there, and some other will come.</div></blockquote> Can you provide me with a link to the mods you use the most? I could probably find them, but I'm so busy at work it would take me days to search for them. Once things calm down I'd like to just be able to find the mod, upload it and install it, and get going. Thanks man.

shawn michaels · July 7, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sportsfanmas" data-cite="sportsfanmas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42090" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can you provide me with a link to the mods you use the most? I could probably find them, but I'm so busy at work it would take me days to search for them. Once things calm down I'd like to just be able to find the mod, upload it and install it, and get going. Thanks man.</div></blockquote> <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535294" rel="external nofollow">http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535294</a> Here is an index to all the mods out there and some that will come. Even if some say "Work under progress", check them as some migh already have data released. Hive's 1994: <a href="http://greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535192" rel="external nofollow">http://greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535192</a> Everything from Genadi is recommended, I use pretty much everything in there or almost. My favorites are MA and the WCW series. He'll have a 2011 i'm also looking forward. Here is a link: <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534035" rel="external nofollow">http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534035</a> Here is a link to Fleisch's mods. I use his current day RW updates as they are very good: <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533463" rel="external nofollow">http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533463</a> In time there will be more out there, many of them good. Like Idolized's RW 2004 mod, that I also enjoy using. Those i mention are some of the ones I use more and are already out there. Take a look into them if you can and check the Mod Index (and the Mod section itself) regularly for new stuff and updates.

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