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Hi Alva, love the mod!! Found a big hole that I patched myself you might want to address... the WWF deal with USA Network doesn't go down until late 1983 and that's only assuming that Joe Blanchard's promotion secures it and is failing so miserably that they then sell it at the time.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cpwhite" data-cite="cpwhite" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hi Alva, love the mod!! Found a big hole that I patched myself you might want to address... the WWF deal with USA Network doesn't go down until late 1983 and that's only assuming that Joe Blanchard's promotion secures it and is failing so miserably that they then sell it at the time.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Bulldog the Sika Popularity issue has been fixed for the next release. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> CP if you notice the contract is for events. The reason for it is because the WWF was showing live house shows every month from Landover, Maryland. These shows can be viewed on YouTube channel by a guy named Oldskool.Though I understand if you want it removed. Keep the feedback coming please Thank you guys</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alvarasus" data-cite="alvarasus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bulldog the Sika Popularity issue has been fixed for the next release. <p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You'll have retained the European pop of course.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hailthebulldog" data-cite="hailthebulldog" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey guys something I'm sure that you have already noticed but Dick Brower and Afa are managed by Lou Albano and not Sika. Sorry if I keep giving you stuff you have already found.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Bulldog just keep it coming. It don't matter if I found it or not. Because I have lot going on so I may forget to add or fix something.Reminder is always welcomed.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> TsuMirren I thought you got lost in the catacombs under Edinburgh?</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alvarasus" data-cite="alvarasus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bulldog just keep it coming. It don't matter if I found it or not. Because I have lot going on so I may forget to add or fix something.Reminder is always welcomed.<p> </p><p> </p><p> TsuMirren I thought you got lost in the catacombs under Edinburgh?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ha, no still around just not as immersed in the Mod Squad experience these days.</p>
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<p>To piggy back on the tag team thing, the Blond Bombers (maybe with an e?) aren't even set to be a tag team. And Larry Latham is set as a rookie despite his description as working in the Gulf Coast before coming to CWA to team with Wayne in 79. It doesn't matter, I think, but it looks weird. And yes, the whole Rock n Roll Express being used by CWA from the start is off. Gibson was teaming with his brother for years before Morton, and that should be the team he's on now.</p><p> </p><p>

And I had the economy and industry backwards, it is 28 economy (that may be why no one is whining as that doesn't matter as 28 and 0 aren't that far apart game-wise) and 18 industry meaning you're going to get that whopping 0.3 pop forever. Not sure what you did to slow down GCW, but that's a 30 week adventure to get to Cult IF Mid Atlantic or Tri State stay at 100% importance due to running 2 TBS shows per week and getting 0.3 for each. Booking 7 hours per week, 210 hours. Ugh...</p><p> </p><p>

Oh, and one thing I don't know if you can do anything about, but it only took a couple of days for the AI to go nuts on production. Money is tight, and I wonder how some of the feds are going to do money-wise if they have to jack that up to keep up. Not everyone will do it, but it is the ones you'd guess--WWF, AWA, JCP, and I'm sure Georgia would too if I wasn't running them.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To piggy back on the tag team thing, the Blond Bombers (maybe with an e?) aren't even set to be a tag team. And Larry Latham is set as a rookie despite his description as working in the Gulf Coast before coming to CWA to team with Wayne in 79. It doesn't matter, I think, but it looks weird. And yes, the whole Rock n Roll Express being used by CWA from the start is off. Gibson was teaming with his brother for years before Morton, and that should be the team he's on now.<p> </p><p> And I had the economy and industry backwards, it is 28 economy (that may be why no one is whining as that doesn't matter as 28 and 0 aren't that far apart game-wise) and 18 industry meaning you're going to get that whopping 0.3 pop forever. Not sure what you did to slow down GCW, but that's a 30 week adventure to get to Cult IF Mid Atlantic or Tri State stay at 100% importance due to running 2 TBS shows per week and getting 0.3 for each. Booking 7 hours per week, 210 hours. Ugh...</p><p> </p><p> Oh, and one thing I don't know if you can do anything about, but it only took a couple of days for the AI to go nuts on production. Money is tight, and I wonder how some of the feds are going to do money-wise if they have to jack that up to keep up. Not everyone will do it, but it is the ones you'd guess--WWF, AWA, JCP, and I'm sure Georgia would too if I wasn't running them.</p></div></blockquote><p> Look into production and yes I can fix it with companies and broadcasters already fixed the one with WWF. </p><p> </p><p> You haven't looked at every narrative have you? I unfortunately took the time to research the world economy in the 1980s so if they is narrative to kill the economy I have one to fix it as well.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To piggy back on the tag team thing, the Blond Bombers (maybe with an e?) aren't even set to be a tag team. And Larry Latham is set as a rookie despite his description as working in the Gulf Coast before coming to CWA to team with Wayne in 79. It doesn't matter, I think, but it looks weird. And yes, the whole Rock n Roll Express being used by CWA from the start is off. Gibson was teaming with his brother for years before Morton, and that should be the team he's on now.<p> </p><p> And I had the economy and industry backwards, it is 28 economy (that may be why no one is whining as that doesn't matter as 28 and 0 aren't that far apart game-wise) and 18 industry meaning you're going to get that whopping 0.3 pop forever. Not sure what you did to slow down GCW, but that's a 30 week adventure to get to Cult IF Mid Atlantic or Tri State stay at 100% importance due to running 2 TBS shows per week and getting 0.3 for each. Booking 7 hours per week, 210 hours. Ugh...</p><p> </p><p> Oh, and one thing I don't know if you can do anything about, but it only took a couple of days for the AI to go nuts on production. Money is tight, and I wonder how some of the feds are going to do money-wise if they have to jack that up to keep up. Not everyone will do it, but it is the ones you'd guess--WWF, AWA, JCP, and I'm sure Georgia would too if I wasn't running them.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd picked up on the Bombers during my diary month. </p><p> </p><p> With regards money, you are going go get some atrition and that's just the game engine for you.</p>
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Hey guys, I just wanted to ask about Pedro Morales. Is there a particular reason he is set to "semi-active?" He defaults to color for the AI.

 


Also, I feel like his pop is way low throughout the US...especially in Tri-State where he was a former WWWF champ (for 2 years no less) and a cult hero for the Hispanic population.

 


Lastly, he starts with only basic English language ability and fluent in Spanish. He's from Puerto Rico where many folks speak a hybrid of English and Spanish and has been wrestling in the US since 1965. I'd argue on that'd should be sent to fluent English, but would at least settle on passable.

 


Anyway, that along with the tag team experience, are really the only quirky things that have stood out to me so far. I'm really enjoying the mod overall and want to compliment you guys for a great job once again.

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RingRider" data-cite="RingRider" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey guys, I just wanted to ask about Pedro Morales. Is there a particular reason he is set to "semi-active?" He defaults to color for the AI. <p> </p><p> Also, I feel like his pop is way low throughout the US...especially in Tri-State where he was a former WWWF champ (for 2 years no less) and a cult hero for the Hispanic population. </p><p> </p><p> Lastly, he starts with only basic English language ability and fluent in Spanish. He's from Puerto Rico where many folks speak a hybrid of English and Spanish and has been wrestling in the US since 1965. I'd argue on that'd should be sent to fluent English, but would at least settle on passable.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway, that along with the tag team experience, are really the only quirky things that have stood out to me so far. I'm really enjoying the mod overall and want to compliment you guys for a great job once again.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Pedro is a oversight will fix him.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shipshirt" data-cite="shipshirt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Tony Garea is set to retired and no popularity, but he was working for WWF in 1980 and still wrestling up through the mid 80's</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, I couldn't be bothered giving him stats. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> But then, I'm more the rest of the world guy. </p><p> </p><p> Would you say relatively generic technician?</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alvarasus" data-cite="alvarasus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Look into production and yes I can fix it with companies and broadcasters already fixed the one with WWF. <p> </p><p> You haven't looked at every narrative have you? I unfortunately took the time to research the world economy in the 1980s so if they is narrative to kill the economy I have one to fix it as well.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh, I saw the narrative to boost it, and it is accurate. The issue is that you can sink a lot of money into production when going into a production war like what is happening, and the money is going to be tight, especially when the contracts start to be renegotiated. They're definitely not making the fortunes that most promoters were making even in this slow time irl. The economy getting a boost isn't going to solve everything either because of the industry being in the toilet. They'll have money but little interest in spending it on wrestling, and the wrestlers will want more money too.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh, I saw the narrative to boost it, and it is accurate. The issue is that you can sink a lot of money into production when going into a production war like what is happening, and the money is going to be tight, especially when the contracts start to be renegotiated. They're definitely not making the fortunes that most promoters were making even in this slow time irl. The economy getting a boost isn't going to solve everything either because of the industry being in the toilet. They'll have money but little interest in spending it on wrestling, and the wrestlers will want more money too.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Issue is, you can't create a period specific financial structure. To cut wages you have to drop worker stats, lower stats mean worse shows and that makes it tougher to gain any pop, retain tv, hit minimum required ratings etc etc. In the UK, to make things work financially you'd probably need shows to be at F to E+. Even Big Daddy was only on about £150 to £90 or so a night, ticket prices were £3. Yet Dale Martin promotions drew big TV numbers and could sell out the Wembley Arena whilst All Star couid sell out Liverpool Stadium. You just can't create that level of draw with that level of wage/ticket pricing and make it work. Plus, the larger shows provided the room to use the Fairfield Halls, Gala baths, various town halls etc without making money every night. Aaaaaaaand ITV covered the TV production, paid Joint for the shows and paid Kent Walton's salary. But, again, if you strip everything down then you get a poor show. Not one single person watching gave one iota of care to the fact volunteers ran the show or there was no music.</p><p> </p><p> We all know TEW isnt built to replicate real life, let alone historical periods, so we swerve it the best we can.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TsuMirren" data-cite="TsuMirren" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, I couldn't be bothered giving him stats. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> But then, I'm more the rest of the world guy. <p> </p><p> Would you say relatively generic technician?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Haha yeah. He's a solid hand. More of a regular wrestler type. Probably at C+level of popularity in 1980. He wins the tag titles later in 1980 with Rick Martel as his partner so he's a solid gatekeeper wrestler.</p>
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<p>I also noticed that a lot of title lineages are out of whack, in that they have title histories that extend past the start date of the game. The Florida Southern title's history extends into 1987 and the Georgia Tag Team (which for some reason is listed as NWA WS Tag in the title lineage files) extends into late 1980. </p><p> </p><p>

The formatting of the dates is also different than how the game formats the dates (I believe the game formats them US style while the ones in the mod are European style...it causes weird formatting where you can't see the whole date in the title history). Not sure if that's an issue for you but it's there.</p>

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Issue is, you can't create a period specific financial structure. To cut wages you have to drop worker stats, lower stats mean worse shows and that makes it tougher to gain any pop, retain tv, hit minimum required ratings etc etc. In the UK, to make things work financially you'd probably need shows to be at F to E+. Even Big Daddy was only on about £150 to £90 or so a night, ticket prices were £3. Yet Dale Martin promotions drew big TV numbers and could sell out the Wembley Arena whilst All Star couid sell out Liverpool Stadium. You just can't create that level of draw with that level of wage/ticket pricing and make it work. Plus, the larger shows provided the room to use the Fairfield Halls, Gala baths, various town halls etc without making money every night. Aaaaaaaand ITV covered the TV production, paid Joint for the shows and paid Kent Walton's salary. But, again, if you strip everything down then you get a poor show. Not one single person watching gave one iota of care to the fact volunteers ran the show or there was no music.

 

We all know TEW isnt built to replicate real life, let alone historical periods, so we swerve it the best we can.

 

I think you're viewing me pointing things out that might be problems as criticisms of the mod. They're not. It's just that I've seen this production war at the regional/cult level seriously mess up Forlan's amazing RW mod, and I don't want to see it happen here. I haven't seen anyone rated weirdly at all in the game, the feds' pop, or wrestlers' pop. They're really high which are producing some ridiculously awesome cards from the AI, but you had great matches every night all across the US back then.

 

Money is extremely tight in the game. It just is. Anything that can tip that even further, outside of accurate economic settings, is something to be very wary of because people could be going out of business quite easily which isn't the result you're going for in the mod. Some of that is due to TEW and not the mod. If Al can fix the production war from starting, that's great.

 

As for shows not gaining pop because they're not good enough? In this mod? The feds that matter blow their requirements out of the water every show, even if they screw up the main events and semi-mains. Again, tons and tons of amazing wrestlers out there plus equal feds = high grades. Now, in 2 year's time after they've gained some pop? Yeah, they might struggle to gain in their home area, but who cares? 80 is good enough (as I've been told repeatedly).

 

The mod is fantastic. The fact that it is stuck with 16's utter slog of a game instead of 13's show grades actually matter so if you book great you get rewarded that his fabulous 83 mod got to work under is a separate issue, and one you all can't do anything about.

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alvarasus" data-cite="alvarasus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42445" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Good catch.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> John, in my version he is set for USA, Canada, Mexico and Japan. My version that was the finished version for beta release...</p>
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I do have a fix for the bigger name companies going out of business and after discussions with the rest of the Mod Squad will be implementating them for next release. I am also adding some workers and fixing or have fixed issues that's have been found for next release.

 

I hope everyone that is in Texas come out this storm safe and sound.

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Here is very helpful hint <strong>DO NOT PLAY WITH REPETITIVE BOOKING ON</strong> when playing this mod because your going to lose money fast going out and hiring everyone you see. The mod is meant for you to book long series of matches for months. Bruno Sammartino and Larry Zbyszko feud for example lasted for 8 months. An they fought numerous times in them 8 months with Larry Zbyszko never being pinned or submitting.
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<p>Hey alv,</p><p> </p><p>

I've enjoyed playing around with this mod but I've been holding off on launching into a long term game in case the next release is dropping soon. Just curious if you felt like the next release was on the horizon or not...</p><p> </p><p>

I don't mean to come off as pushy, just excited! Appreciate all the hard work you and the guys do!</p>

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<p>Guys, I don't know anything about 1980's, in fact, my wresling knowledge extends only till WCW's rise to prominence. </p><p> </p><p>

I tried this mod for the fun of being in NWA, the regional stars and of course territorial system.</p><p> </p><p>

It has captured the feel of it for someone like me who nor experienced territories days neither knows much about them.</p><p> </p><p>

Only thing I wanted to ask that if one of the modders will post some basic info to be known before playing the mod or some guidelines as how to approach the save/world etc. It could be a great help for someone like me.</p><p> </p><p>

Great job guys.</p>

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Just wanted to pop in and see the state of CWA/Memphis since this is when I start remembering as I'm 5 years old. 2 things I wanted to ask.

 

1. Why is Jerry Jarrett up there with all the non-Arn Anderson Andersons in douchebag level? I'm sure you've got an historical reason for that, but I haven't heard anyone have bad things to say about him pre-TNA, which wasn't his fault. Yeah, he broke with the Gulas family to form the modern version of CWA, but they were the ones trying to screw him as he paid them for the territory only to have them come back with "Oh that was only to buy a portion of Memphis." I take his side on the matter and don't blame him a bit for breaking with them. Related to that, Mid America didn't last due to the war that gave Jarrett the western half of Tenn. and KY so they could probably just be kicked out of the game. They have all the guys that would eventually return to Memphis after the split.

 

2. It doesn't matter since you've got Kentucky in the South East region, basically to prevent Memphis from hitting Cult, but shouldn't they have Wave 3 out of Louisville as their 2nd TV station instead of Lexington? It's a much bigger city, and they ran the Louisville Gardens every Tuesday night. Lexington got run sometimes. As I said, it would be purely cosmetic, but I'd like to have the station I grew up watching it on in the game. Then you can add Dance Fever, Solid Gold, CHIPs re-runs, and BJ and the Bear to air right after like they did. (In really old guy's voice) "See, there used to be a time when there weren't 70 football games on every Saturday, and you had weird syndicated stuff on on Saturday afternoons and cartoons on in the mornings."

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