chessarmy Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 So, how many of you guys use the "freestyle angle" feature when booking shows? I just bought the game and tried using this, it's very convenient but I can't get over the feeling that I'm cheating. In my TEW2013 save I had hundreds of angles I saved that accumulated through me creating them, however, I don't feel like going through that again. What are your thoughts on the Freestyle Angle option? Isn't it cheating? I feel like I'm sort of manipulating the game a little bit by using it and setting certain people to be rated only on their strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameSnoopy Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="chessarmy" data-cite="chessarmy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42802" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So, how many of you guys use the "freestyle angle" feature when booking shows?<p> </p><p> I just bought the game and tried using this, it's very convenient but I can't get over the feeling that I'm cheating. In my TEW2013 save I had hundreds of angles I saved that accumulated through me creating them, however, I don't feel like going through that again.</p><p> </p><p> What are your thoughts on the Freestyle Angle option? Isn't it cheating? I feel like I'm sort of manipulating the game a little bit by using it and setting certain people to be rated only on their strengths.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When the feature was announced, I thought I wouldn't use it much. I have at least one freestyle angle in nearly every TV show I book. It's a great feature that is a time saver.</p><p> </p><p> Cheating? No.. Why would it be? It's not like you couldn't create angles that suit a worker's strengths before. I rate people how they would be rated on, not according to their best skill.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 <p>I use them all of the time. In fact I hardly ever use the default angles (with the exception of the modern day opener angle). I just find that the freestyle angles give me more freedom to setup angles the way I want them to be set up.</p><p> </p><p> There really is no way to cheat in this game as far as I am concerned (I feel like <strong>drcat123</strong> here, but I want to say this is my opinion. I say that because I do not want to debate with people again over multiple posts because they think my opinion is stupid or wrong. Or because they dislike me and are just looking for a reason to start with me.). Everyone is entitled to play the game the way they want. </p><p> </p><p> That being said if you are playing with someone else then I might see it as cheating. However, that could be settled if you had ground rules where you both agree on what can and cannot be edited.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drcat123 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Maybe 10 times total. I still find clone angles and kept in database better. Alot less work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skinsfan55 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I don't look at it as cheating, I figure that I'm just accentuating a worker's good traits. Maybe he's entertaining, so even in a video package I'm putting his best promos together or his most entertaining in ring stuff. If I'm having a guy get beat down maybe his overness is highlighted that he's a top guy and the fans are rooting for him... or maybe his selling of the offense buys him sympathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reminiscent Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 <p>Yeah I don't get this "cheating stuff". </p><p> </p><p> I use freestyle angles all the time and I normally use the best skill that also makes sense in what I'm trying to portray. Say... Remmy Skye. Great selling skills. Maybe I'll have him in an angle to sell a beating or a promo, selling the fact that his opponent is strong and dangerous. If it makes sense, I'll do it. If you were an actual booker wouldn't you showcase your worker's strengths and hide / work on their weaknesses? Once a worker gets over enough that it doesn't damage ratings too much, I end up being more free with angles.</p><p> </p><p> Another example, someone with high menace? Give them a promo that is short, sweet, and to the point while looking, having the tone, and has the body language of being menacing.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skinsfan55 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Reminiscent" data-cite="Reminiscent" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42802" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah I don't get this "cheating stuff". <p> </p><p> I use freestyle angles all the time and I normally use the best skill that also makes sense in what I'm trying to portray. Say... Remmy Skye. Great selling skills. Maybe I'll have him in an angle to sell a beating or a promo, selling the fact that his opponent is strong and dangerous. If it makes sense, I'll do it. If you were an actual booker wouldn't you showcase your worker's strengths and hide / work on their weaknesses? Once a worker gets over enough that it doesn't damage ratings too much, I end up being more free with angles.</p><p> </p><p> Another example, someone with high menace? Give them a promo that is short, sweet, and to the point while looking, having the tone, and has the body language of being menacing.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agree, I would always work with USPW in TEW 2010 and I had high menace guys but there were no options for a menace promo. There was revealing a bodyguard or destroying an opponent. You should be able to have a scary worker cut a chilling promo like how Brock's menace is utilized a lot. If Jericho had told Heath Slater "I don't give a [bleep] about your kids" and told him to get out of the ring and stop pissing him off it would have fallen flat.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donners Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Only for stable promos or to use skills like menace or selling. Otherwise I just stick to the same few default ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhawk8492 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I am a big fan of freestyle angles. Like others have said it allows me to accommodate a workers strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEFAN95 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I only use freestyle angles, but I don't out and out cheat. If somebody should be rated on overness, I'll have them rated on that, if they should be rated on menace, I'll have them rated on menace. I just see what I think each person should be rated on by looking at what they'll be doing and rate them on what suits their role the best. Like I don't put Brandon James in an interview and put him rated on menace or overness just because it'd score better. I put him rated on entertainment because that what he should be rated on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Almost all the times. As long as the angle is in my head and the "rated on" things are right, I don't care that much. There's I usually write the description myself. It might take a little longer, but sifting through the wealth of angles takes a while too. How would it be cheating? Like people mention, you should accentuate strenghts like irl (barring TNA booking). It's only 'cheating' if you look at the stats through the editor. But then again, playing the game for the second time makes you familiar with the characters so... is that cheating too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andylion Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 This may not be the right place for this, but while everyone is talking about "what they should be rated on," what exactly determines whether they should be rated on entertainment or microphone? In my mind, it's entertainment for funny promos and microphone for regular/standard promos. Is that pretty close? Basically, in my mind, entertainment is for a Rock promo, while microphone is for an Austin promo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brat99 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 This may not be the right place for this, but while everyone is talking about "what they should be rated on," what exactly determines whether they should be rated on entertainment or microphone? In my mind, it's entertainment for funny promos and microphone for regular/standard promos. Is that pretty close? Basically, in my mind, entertainment is for a Rock promo, while microphone is for an Austin promo. It's really whatever you want it to be rated on. I generally try and use whatever makes the most sense in each instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenCycle Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Freestyle angles are one of the best new features. I typically try to stay in line with what the default angle "rules" are for the story the freestyle angle is trying to tell, though. I do consider cherry picking what each worker is rated on to be borderline cheating, but you've always been able to do it. That's just how the game is set up. Now it's just a lot quicker and easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessarmy Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 The one thing I will say I love about the freestyle angles is you can literally tell any story you want any way you want. I would prefer if the game came stocked up with a ton of angles already, but this isn't a bad alternative. Although freestyle angles don't let u alter the segment descriptions it's really the segment name that matters most anyway since that's what shows up in the show history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayelek Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 The only thing I really use Freestyle angles for are if I'm doing a storyline/feud that isn't 1 on 1 since I feel there are a lot fewer default angles for that sort of thing. The starting SWF storyline with Remo, Gilmore & Rogue has been mostly Freestyle angles, but most 1 on 1 feuds, I can get by with just the default angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylocke Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I think the only thing missing from this feature is the ability to set risk level. Not sure why this is missing. You can set just about everything else in freestyle angle that you can do in normal ones, so this feels like a glaring omission. It feels more engaging when the game differentiates between the risk level of the content and the fans/workers respond to them accordingly, especially when you want to play with a company with high-risque product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tambourin81 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="chessarmy" data-cite="chessarmy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42802" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Isn't it cheating? I feel like I'm sort of manipulating the game a little bit by using it and setting certain people to be rated only on their strengths.</div></blockquote><p> And going into the database and creating your own angles isn't cheating? What's the difference for you? </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I use them all the time because booking with the standard templates often feels like I'm just going through the motions so I like to get creative with my angles, and I'm terrible at planning ahead so I never bother to create new ones for the database beforehand.</p><p> </p><p> I also use them is as a placeholder in pre booking, so even if I decide to use a regular angle I can still keep track of how the storyline is going to play out long term.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tambourin81 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42802" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think the only thing missing from this feature is the ability to set risk level. Not sure why this is missing. You can set just about everything else in freestyle angle that you can do in normal ones, so this feels like a glaring omission. It feels more engaging when the game differentiates between the risk level of the content and the fans/workers respond to them accordingly, especially when you want to play with a company with high-risque product.</div></blockquote><p> Yea this bothered me too. Fortunately I rarely play companies with a high risk product, but I agree that the option would be great.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessarmy Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 <p>One potential loop hole with freestyle, and this is part of what I meant when I referred to cheating, is that you could set both participants to "major success" in every angle regardless of what it is. So both guys would be given major bonuses even if the description is "Cena attacks AJ"</p><p> </p><p> Then again you could use that same loop hole when cloning/creating angles.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42802" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just find that the freestyle angles give me more freedom to setup angles the way I want them to be set up.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yep they give more freedom.</p><p> </p><p> Freestyle angles are the best feature this game has ever introduced, at least for me. No longer do I have to worry about not having an angle in mind or not liking the angles that I came up with. When you are simming a lot of days it is very hard to come up with lots of good angles. I use free style angles 100% of the time. I don't see how it would be cheating the game.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Andylion" data-cite="Andylion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42802" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This may not be the right place for this, but while everyone is talking about "what they should be rated on," what exactly determines whether they should be rated on entertainment or microphone? In my mind, it's entertainment for funny promos and microphone for regular/standard promos. Is that pretty close? Basically, in my mind, entertainment is for a Rock promo, while microphone is for an Austin promo.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think Austin's promos are also entertainment-based, since he plays a role that requires a certain amount of charisma and acting skills. I only use microphone for announcers or interviewers and sometimes for authority figures (Jack Tunney e. g.).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I never used pre-set angles in TEW16, the freestyle angles make it a lot easier for me. It's not cheating as long as you don't use selling skills for a promo just because a worker is a better seller than entertainer.</p><p> </p><p> If a worker gets beaten up in an angle I use selling even if he has just 30 in selling skills.</p><p> But if I know someone is not a good seller, I just don't let him get beaten up. That's not cheating to me and I would do that with preset angles, too.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Motor" data-cite="Motor" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42802" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think Austin's promos are also entertainment-based, since he plays a role that requires a certain amount of charisma and acting skills.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It does indeed. Few promos are overness-based, as nobody gets over on overness promos for obvious reasons. I use them solely for reveal-angles or sudden actions (like alignment-changes). </p><p> </p><p> The best thing is that you can EDIT THEM! <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> No longer switching this with that and deleting everything as there's one person rated on the wrong thing or should get more heat. I'm not an excel-booker like some people here and book on-the-fly, so this feature was a godsend and one of the selling points for me.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drcat123 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="chessarmy" data-cite="chessarmy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42802" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>One potential loop hole with freestyle, and this is part of what I meant when I referred to cheating, is that you could set both participants to "major success" in every angle regardless of what it is. So both guys would be given major bonuses even if the description is "Cena attacks AJ"<p> </p><p> Then again you could use that same loop hole when cloning/creating angles.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So you are calling common sense cheating? Try this put great kahi in a angle rated on entertainment instead of menace. Let me know how that plays out for you. My biggest complain with freestyle angles. No text or save feature. If you could kept in database it would be awesome. I literally have over 200 clone angles just in setups. When I base a interview off menace. I'm picturing the worker speaking in action. It might be a training segment, destroying stuff, messing with announcer, etc. If I base a interview off selling. I see the worker putting over the other interview big time. So the worker is selling his opponents actions. I never have liked entertainment at all. Since focusing on one stat is far better. You improve that stat quicker and you know what you should get for the angle. Entertainment seems to never be the same. It has alot of factors.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="chessarmy" data-cite="chessarmy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42802" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>One potential loop hole with freestyle, and this is part of what I meant when I referred to cheating, is that you could set both participants to "major success" in every angle regardless of what it is. So both guys would be given major bonuses even if the description is "Cena attacks AJ"<p> </p><p> Then again you could use that same loop hole when cloning/creating angles.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes, you could do that. But why should you do that, it doesn't make any sense. As long as you're not playing a multiplayer game you would only lie to yourself. Like drcat says, it has to do with common sense.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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