RUNJCRUN1 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I always seem to have a problem booking lower card workers. Any time I book one the match tends to be lackluster, and a lot of times I'm not even sure what I should do with them. What are some things you do when booking lower card workers? Do you try to give them storylines, pushes, etc.? Or do you tend to just use them as jobbers or release them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameSnoopy Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 <p>It depends a lot on the worker. If they are simply jobbers, they don't appear unless I need someone to get a win. If they are prospects that need to improve their entertainment skills, I try to fit them into an angle (rated on entertainment) every show, without tanking the angle rating. If I'm trying to increase their overness, I will attempt to create a storyline for them and include people with higher overness than them. If the goal is to improve their in-ring skill, fit them into a match every show with workers better than them. </p><p> </p><p> My favorite use of lower card wrestlers is tag teams however. If the worker isn't a jobber, they are probably in a tag team. I tend to book a lot of tag team matches to increase tag experience, improve the workers or simply to fit more people into a show. I rarely give singles pushes, the exception being dominant, menacing and charismatic monsters. I usually try to keep the monsters no lower than B- overness and no higher than A overness, to bleed as much overness to people who I want to push, without upsetting the monster in question.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drcat123 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="FlameSnoopy" data-cite="FlameSnoopy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43320" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It depends a lot on the worker. If they are simply jobbers, they don't appear unless I need someone to get a win. If they are prospects that need to improve their entertainment skills, I try to fit them into an angle (rated on entertainment) every show, without tanking the angle rating. If I'm trying to increase their overness, I will attempt to create a storyline for them and include people with higher overness than them. If the goal is to improve their in-ring skill, fit them into a match every show with workers better than them. <p> </p><p> My favorite use of lower card wrestlers is tag teams however. If the worker isn't a jobber, they are probably in a tag team. I tend to book a lot of tag team matches to increase tag experience, improve the workers or simply to fit more people into a show. I rarely give singles pushes, the exception being dominant, menacing and charismatic monsters. I usually try to keep the monsters no lower than B- overness and no higher than A overness, to bleed as much overness to people who I want to push, without upsetting the monster in question.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I use lower card workers in tag teams too. It actually how I start a federation. I build a tag team division before any single matches. When the tag teams are over. You now have 2 good single stars or one hbk and one midcarder. </p><p> </p><p> TC I highly suggest you start a local or small federation with no roster. You will learn how to book lower card workers if all you have is lower card workers. You get to see them grow over time. The only problem with jobbers is everybody gains popularity. So if you never want to push that person. You will at some point have to cut them or keep getting those emails from them.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defmall Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 <p>I am struggling with this issue in my 1994 WWF reboot.</p><p> </p><p> I try to put Midcard guys in storylines with main Eventers or Upper Mid Card so they get the rub. I also need Mid-carders to beat Lower Midcard guys to build a win streak.</p><p> </p><p> So, where am I struggling?</p><p> These matches that include my Midcarders dont always score well.</p><p> So what would be a very strong card takes some lumps and drops my popularity score in some regions!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenCycle Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 <p>It's impossible to answer this question without any information of what's happening. </p><p> </p><p> But I will say this...</p><p> </p><p> MIDCARD MATCHES ARE SUPPOSED TO SUCK! They are midcard matches. In the scoring in TEW, midcard matches play a very teeny tiny role in your final show rating. You should be glad when midcard matches suck... they play a pretty vital role in controlling Crowd Management.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I am struggling with this issue in my 1994 WWF reboot. I try to put Midcard guys in storylines with main Eventers or Upper Mid Card so they get the rub. I also need Mid-carders to beat Lower Midcard guys to build a win streak. So, where am I struggling? These matches that include my Midcarders dont always score well. So what would be a very strong card takes some lumps and drops my popularity score in some regions! To expand on what BrokenCycle said you want to fit these in between hot angles so you don't burn out your crowd. This would be considered the "piss break" match that only the hardcore fans would stay and watch. Make sure you make use of your B shows. This is where you will give your midcard long matches and flesh things out for them. Since B shows don't hurt your pop and are there for the sole purpose of building midcarders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinimiMax Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Honestly, I book lower card talent very similarly to the way WWE does it for real. I use them for filler matches or for jobbing to people I want to push. There have been a couple of cases where I tried to give someone a push like Curtis Axel and Johnny Gargano but it just didn't work out, but there has also been a case where my push did work and Heath Slater is now the longest reigning United States Champion in WWE history (if my calculations are correct). This of course took a lot of patience because like most lower card people, his matches and his segments pretty much sucked but I was determined to give him a push and simply by just using him a lot his skills got better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poputt Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 It's impossible to answer this question without any information of what's happening. But I will say this... MIDCARD MATCHES ARE SUPPOSED TO SUCK! They are midcard matches. In the scoring in TEW, midcard matches play a very teeny tiny role in your final show rating. You should be glad when midcard matches suck... they play a pretty vital role in controlling Crowd Management. It's also why good jobbers are important. If you say, "hey Shawn Michaels go over Owen Hart in 8 minutes" you might accidentally get an 80, whereas if you book him against Reno Riggins in 4 minutes you'll get the 60 you want to calm the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dynamite Sid Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43320" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's impossible to answer this question without any information of what's happening. <p> </p><p> But I will say this...</p><p> </p><p> MIDCARD MATCHES ARE SUPPOSED TO SUCK! They are midcard matches. In the scoring in TEW, midcard matches play a very teeny tiny role in your final show rating. You should be glad when midcard matches suck... they play a pretty vital role in controlling Crowd Management.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Absolutely this. I'm happy to eat the bad matches on the bottom end of the card if I know that my main eventers will pick it up. If my midcard matches come in at C or better I consider it a wild success.</p><p> </p><p> When booking events I always try and book a great match to start the show off hot and then have a couple of so-so matches in the middle before my semi and main event top it all off.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfRoMaN36 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 <p>I try to utilize everyone within a weeks worth of shows. So if they're not jobbing in the A show, they're winning in the B show and gaining some credibility for when they do job to one of my stars. </p><p> </p><p> Lower midcarders are supposed to be fodder to make your stars look good. Since it isn't wise to book Rock vs Austin every week on RAW, you will need to sometimes book D-Lo vs Austin, so that Austin stays hot.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabataged Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 <p>Every show i book as many random dark match tag matches as I can. If I ever get a hit on excellent chemistry I start pushing those guys. Some crappier workers have gotten pushes over better workers simply because of the excellent chemistry note.</p><p> </p><p> Its probably no the best way to go but I tend to do it more often than not</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sabataged" data-cite="sabataged" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43320" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Every show i book as many random dark match tag matches as I can. If I ever get a hit on excellent chemistry I start pushing those guys. Some crappier workers have gotten pushes over better workers simply because of the excellent chemistry note.<p> </p><p> Its probably no the best way to go but I tend to do it more often than not</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's a little gamey but to each his own style <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />. In reality they also do that to a certain extent I assume. We just don't get to see it (as it's too damn dark).</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrykieran2 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MinimiMax" data-cite="MinimiMax" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43320" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Honestly, I book lower card talent very similarly to the way WWE does it for real. I use them for filler matches or for jobbing to people I want to push. There have been a couple of cases where I tried to give someone a push like Curtis Axel and Johnny Gargano but it just didn't work out, but there has also been a case where my push did work and Heath Slater is now the longest reigning United States Champion in WWE history (if my calculations are correct). This of course took a lot of patience because like most lower card people, his matches and his segments pretty much sucked but I was determined to give him a push and simply by just using him a lot his skills got better.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Johnny Gargano is a jobber for you????? <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinimiMax Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="merrykieran2" data-cite="merrykieran2" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43320" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Johnny Gargano is a jobber for you????? <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> Yes, for the very simple reason that he can't get anything going for him. Actually I am currently looking to turn him heel and pair him back up with Tommaso Ciampa since the singles run clearly isn't working out.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dynamite Sid Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Vanilla midget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrykieran2 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MinimiMax" data-cite="MinimiMax" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43320" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes, for the very simple reason that he can't get anything going for him. Actually I am currently looking to turn him heel and pair him back up with Tommaso Ciampa since the singles run clearly isn't working out.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He works well for me as an underdog and in the next year I want to give him the world title lol. I just think he's way talented to be a jobber but good to see you going the #DIY route as they are such a good team</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter8905 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 <p>I have different groups of Lower Carders. You need a lot of them. Most to lose to the midcarders and above. Some as younger guys or rising stars that will win against other lower careers but loose open matches against the higher card guys. </p><p> </p><p> For example in my 1990 WWF game using the 87 mod. </p><p> </p><p> In lowercard I have Pill man and Austin as singles guys. I want to tag them up when they get to midcard. I have Austin in a program with SGT Slaughter over Slaughters US title. Austin isn't considered a threat so he wins and beats down his opponents whilst attacking Slaughter untill he gets his match. Austin will come up short resulting in him looking for a partner. </p><p> </p><p> Pillman is face. Need to turn him and get him to midcarders so currently having him losing close matches against midcarders and Upper midcarders untill he snaps turns heel and starts picking up wins. He will not be granted a title shot so he and Austin failing to captures singles title. </p><p> </p><p> So I'm using other lowercarders to put over two rising stars. </p><p> </p><p> I have guys like Lanny Poffo, Virgil, at LM who's sole job it is to put over who I need. my talented Jobbing LM will get a couple of wins on my B show beating Openers or local guys so they have some rub to give when they themselves job to my Austin and Pillman's. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Old guys and young rookies are good as LM jobber. Rookies can stay in that role uNeill they develop to your liking. The oldies can job untill they fall too much into time decline or untill there overNess runs out.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinimiMax Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="merrykieran2" data-cite="merrykieran2" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43320" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He works well for me as an underdog and in the next year I want to give him the world title lol. I just think he's way talented to be a jobber but good to see you going the #DIY route as they are such a good team</div></blockquote><p> I never intended for him to be jobber either. I started my game around the time the Cruiserweight Classic participants had been announced so I booked it myself and had Gargano actually win it so I did have high hopes for him. But he just hasn't delivered unfortunately. I could name a handful of good matches he's been in but those are all against the likes of AJ Styles so he can't really be credited for it.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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