jean-vic Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I am playing as the WWF in a 1997 mod, and I'm experiencing a strange issue. I'm currently in October 1999 and no matter what I do, The Rock is losing pop. I had him at 98 pop going into Mania 15 but he dropped to 94 after dropping the belt to Austin. I then had him build to a face turn for a few months and had the Corporation turn on him after a run of losses. The run of losses saw him drop to 91 pop. I wasn't too fussed about this as I was certain I'd get his pop back up with a strong face run. My problem is, The Rock has now not lost a match in four months. Every angle he is in gets 95 or above, but mostly 100's. His matches are always rated highly. However, he is losing pop. At the end of September, I had him beat HBK on Raw and he went up to 93. 3 weeks later and he's back down to 90. I first noticed this when WCW ran a negative story about WWF. All of the workers in my national battle took a slight pop hit. Everyone else is going up again, but Rock just keeps on dropping no matter what I do. Any ideas on why this might be the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gord Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jean-vic" data-cite="jean-vic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43372" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am playing as the WWF in a 1997 mod, and I'm experiencing a strange issue. I'm currently in October 1999 and no matter what I do, The Rock is losing pop. I had him at 98 pop going into Mania 15 but he dropped to 94 after dropping the belt to Austin. I then had him build to a face turn for a few months and had the Corporation turn on him after a run of losses. The run of losses saw him drop to 91 pop. I wasn't too fussed about this as I was certain I'd get his pop back up with a strong face run. My problem is, The Rock has now not lost a match in four months. Every angle he is in gets 95 or above, but mostly 100's. His matches are always rated highly. However, he is losing pop. At the end of September, I had him beat HBK on Raw and he went up to 93. 3 weeks later and he's back down to 90. I first noticed this when WCW ran a negative story about WWF. All of the workers in my national battle took a slight pop hit. Everyone else is going up again, but Rock just keeps on dropping no matter what I do. <p> </p><p> Any ideas on why this might be the case?</p></div></blockquote><p> Quite possible he's hit his popularity cap. Workers can temporarily surpass it, but their pop will slowly go back down again.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drcat123 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Do a test game. Copy your save game to the desktop. Now load your game. Go to editor. Go to user preferences. Turn off gimmick effects, aims, booking times, and anything else required for a show. So you are free to run a show without any restrictions. You are turning off gimmick effects as a test to see if his gimmick is stale or not. He may simply need a gimmick change. Now on the booking show If you are like me you have clone angles. If not just use free style angles. the text of the angle does not matter just make sure he is alone in them or attacking someone else. angle setup major success on screen base the angle off his best stat. Do not use entertainment. We are trying a test not a random effect. Time of angles is 30 mins. impact is major. Since minor would give you a less effect. If there is 2 people in the angle make both people on screen always. Do about 10 of those. I actually do 2 walking, 2 interviews, 2 entrances, 2 warms ups, 2 attacks, 1 celebration for every match. I only care about building people so people got to be on tv to get them over. Now match Do a 16 min match against anybody. open match rock wins, pinfall that is it. save it. After do a celebration angle based on the angle setup. After the main event do a hype video for the rock based on the angle setup. It will also help you show rating actually. I always do at least one video at the end just in case. FYI 16 20 30 are usually the sweet spots for less negatives. After all that check the rock after the show. I bet he has gained pop. If so turn on gimmick effects then repeat everything. If he goes down again after all that you might want to change his gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwfmark Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Do a test game. Copy your save game to the desktop. Now load your game. Go to editor. Go to user preferences. Turn off gimmick effects, aims, booking times, and anything else required for a show. So you are free to run a show without any restrictions. You are turning off gimmick effects as a test to see if his gimmick is stale or not. He may simply need a gimmick change. Now on the booking show If you are like me you have clone angles. If not just use free style angles. the text of the angle does not matter just make sure he is alone in them or attacking someone else. angle setup major success on screen base the angle off his best stat. Do not use entertainment. We are trying a test not a random effect. Time of angles is 30 mins. impact is major. Since minor would give you a less effect. If there is 2 people in the angle make both people on screen always. Do about 10 of those. I actually do 2 walking, 2 interviews, 2 entrances, 2 warms ups, 2 attacks, 1 celebration for every match. I only care about building people so people got to be on tv to get them over. Now match Do a 16 min match against anybody. open match rock wins, pinfall that is it. save it. After do a celebration angle based on the angle setup. After the main event do a hype video for the rock based on the angle setup. It will also help you show rating actually. I always do at least one video at the end just in case. FYI 16 20 30 are usually the sweet spots for less negatives. After all that check the rock after the show. I bet he has gained pop. If so turn on gimmick effects then repeat everything. If he goes down again after all that you might want to change his gimmick. Sorry to hijack this thread but does copying your save to the desktop work? I tried that for the first time a couple weeks ago so I could make a backup of my save and the next time I loaded my game it said my database was corrupt. First and only time that's happened to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Just make a copy of the save game within TEW. It's easy to do and won't cause any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 <p>I have problems building pop, too. </p><p> </p><p> I'm in a 1987 WWF game and lost Adrian Adonis to JCP, but as some kind of punishment I booked him to lose against Honky Tonk Man in the main event of Wrestling Challenge, his last show before he left the company. The match got a 70 rating, Honky won cleanly by pinfall in an open match (he has a gimmick rating of "Great", too).</p><p> </p><p> Now Adonis lost 2 points overall pop (as planned), but Honky, who I wanted to put over, lost 1 point overall pop, too. </p><p> </p><p> I have no problems pushing Enhancement Talents to Lower Midcarders, but I hardly get Upper Midcarders or Main Eventers to gain some pop :/</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadian Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 <p>Pop Cap? Is this one of those hidden stats we can't see, and can't change in the editor?</p><p> </p><p> I don't hate it, and I see why it's there. It's just a bit odd.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadian Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="wwfmark" data-cite="wwfmark" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43372" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sorry to hijack this thread but does copying your save to the desktop work? I tried that for the first time a couple weeks ago so I could make a backup of my save and the next time I loaded my game it said my database was corrupt. First and only time that's happened to me.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You do it so that if anything messes up or botches, you can move your backup from desktop back to proper folder and undo the messup.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Motor" data-cite="Motor" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43372" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I have problems building pop, too. <p> </p><p> I'm in a 1987 WWF game and lost Adrian Adonis to JCP, but as some kind of punishment I booked him to lose against Honky Tonk Man in the main event of Wrestling Challenge, his last show before he left the company. The match got a 70 rating, Honky won cleanly by pinfall in an open match (he has a gimmick rating of "Great", too).</p><p> </p><p> Now Adonis lost 2 points overall pop (as planned), but Honky, who I wanted to put over, lost 1 point overall pop, too. </p><p> </p><p> I have no problems pushing Enhancement Talents to Lower Midcarders, but I hardly get Upper Midcarders or Main Eventers to gain some pop :/</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> IIRC, isn't Honky Tonk Man's gimmick in that mod a Gimmicky based gimmick? That could be why because, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, I think workers with Gimmicky based gimmicks can't be in very long segments or matches. If anything, Honky Tonk's gimmick should be Weasel based because of how he portrayed the character, but that's just my personal opinion.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: If I am incorrect as to what base HTM's gimmick is (sorry, haven't looked at the default Golden Age data in ages), feel free to correct me. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 <p>Yes, he has a gimmicky type gimmick (and yes, Weasel would be more appropriate <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> ).</p><p> </p><p> I took that into account and the match length was only 7 or 8 minutes.</p><p> </p><p> Can't imagine any reason for the pop loss.</p><p> </p><p> However, I used to turn the dirt sheet off but I think I will use it now so next time I hope to get a clue of what went wrong.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Motor" data-cite="Motor" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43372" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes, he has a gimmicky type gimmick (and yes, Weasel would be more appropriate <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> ).<p> </p><p> I took that into account and the match length was only 7 or 8 minutes.</p><p> </p><p> Can't imagine any reason for the pop loss.</p><p> </p><p> However, I used to turn the dirt sheet off but I think I will use it now so next time I hope to get a clue of what went wrong.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hmmm, well it sounds like you did everything right then, unless I'm missing something else. IIRC, gimmicky gimmicks will lose pop when the worker loses to a realistic or legitimate gimmick, but HTM won based on what you posted. Turning on the dirt sheet notes might be the way to go.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drcat123 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="wwfmark" data-cite="wwfmark" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43372" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sorry to hijack this thread but does copying your save to the desktop work? I tried that for the first time a couple weeks ago so I could make a backup of my save and the next time I loaded my game it said my database was corrupt. First and only time that's happened to me.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just simply copy the save game and put on your desktop. It is how you can play email games.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwfmark Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thadian" data-cite="thadian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43372" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You do it so that if anything messes up or botches, you can move your backup from desktop back to proper folder and undo the messup.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="drcat123" data-cite="drcat123" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43372" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just simply copy the save game and put on your desktop. It is how you can play email games.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I do understand the reasoning behind it but when I tried it my one and only time, the next time I loaded my game my database was corrupt then one and only time ever. Can you guys tell me the exact file I save? I think I might have copied and pasted my whole game folder. I'm just really paranoid to try it again since I finally found a game or scenario I'm enjoying.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drcat123 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="wwfmark" data-cite="wwfmark" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43372" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I do understand the reasoning behind it but when I tried it my one and only time, the next time I loaded my game my database was corrupt then one and only time ever. Can you guys tell me the exact file I save? I think I might have copied and pasted my whole game folder. I'm just really paranoid to try it again since I finally found a game or scenario I'm enjoying.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> GDS Folder</p><p> TEW 2016 folder</p><p> databases folder</p><p> click on the game year folder (ie 2017 )</p><p> you will see save games and mbd file (if you copy this file it will save corrupt )</p><p> click on save games folder</p><p> click on the save game you want to copy (IE wwe mark2017)</p><p> you will see back up folder, temp folder, and mdb file</p><p> If you are going to back up everything just copy it all</p><p> If you only want to make a copy of the save game. </p><p> Just right click copy on mdb file. </p><p> paste it on the desktop.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tambourin81 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thadian" data-cite="thadian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="43372" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Pop Cap? Is this one of those hidden stats we can't see, and can't change in the editor?<p> </p><p> I don't hate it, and I see why it's there. It's just a bit odd.</p></div></blockquote><p> Yes. It's not in the editor because, as far as I know, it's the result of a weighted roll at the start of a new save. (related to the destiny roll, I think)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadian Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Ah - I thought it had something to do with Momentum and Star Power. Or was otherwise dependent on factors we can control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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