Tag Team Experience

[The_Monk]

Anyone know roughly how long it takes to rise tag team experiance?

[Gungner]

<p>Rise to what?</p><p>

The number goes up for every match they have as a team.</p><p>

Ofcourse they have to be an official tag team.</p>

[Gtact420]

<p>+1 every match they tag together (I believe 6 man tag, 8 man tag etc also increase this number)</p><p>

+1 for every month they are an official team.</p>

[The_Monk]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gungner" data-cite="Gungner" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44107" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Rise to what?<p> The number goes up for every match they have as a team.</p><p> Ofcourse they have to be an official tag team.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> yeah sorry I just meant in general</p>

[DoubleA012]

I think winning Tag Titles also helps boost it up, though not sure by how much. And popularity may or may not help as i have two teams i created that have had roughly same amount of matches, but one team was super over and had a tag title reign and the other didn't. The team that was over is around 36 right now (roughly a year teaming together) the other them is at about 24 (same amount of time, just no tag title run). Although in typing this just realized it was an alliance title so they did get more matches that way.

[Browning]

I've not played anywhere near as much as some of you, but I did think my Tag Champions were gaining experience faster than others, so that possibly is a factor.

[Bigpapa42]

<p>Pretty sure being champions makes no difference. Why would it? </p><p> </p><p> According to Derek B, workers with lower levels of experience gain more experience for each match they tag together, then it slows to 1 point per match, then it drops again. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44107" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The game does however give 2 points of experience at low levels for working a tag match, and 1 for working a 6 man tag. This decreases to 1 and 0.5 in the mid range and then about half that at the higher range (I forget specific values) so The Revival should be in the medium bracket for sure, and close to High. It'll take them a long while to get to maximum (probably 2 more years) but the changes to low level tag experience help teams to get to the tag experience bonus more quickly, and the slowe gains higher up ensure that not too many teams make it all the way to the top. <p> </p><p> </p><p> 0-34: 17 tag matches (34 six man tags)</p><p> 34-67: 33 tag matches (66 six man tags)</p><p> 67-100: 66 tag matches (132 six man tags if gains were 0.25 per match, 103 if 0.3 per match, 165 if 0.2 per match)</p><p> </p><p> TOTAL: 116 regular tag matches, with probably 265 if it were all trios matches.</p><p> </p><p> Obviously it's a tough call to make in general when it comes to setting experience, but if you're going to set it using the same criteria as the game then that's a rough figure of how the game works it out. </p><p> </p></div></blockquote>

[Azul]

Wow I never knew all this. I thought it was 1 point for every tag match they are in. I guess I wasn't keeping close enough attention. I use 6 mans, 8 mans, 10 mans A LOT like New Japan so this is good to know.

[Jazz49ers]

<p>I have a tag team in my WWF game, The Smokin' Gunns. I formed them myself as they weren't a team in the database I'm playing in November 1992. It's currently February 1993. They've had 14 two on two tag matches, 1 two on two on two, and 2 four on four matches.</p><p> </p><p>

According to Derek B's list, they should at least be at 28 tag experience. Yet, they're only at 22. Does them have bad chemistry together slow it down?</p>

[Derek B]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jazz49ers" data-cite="Jazz49ers" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44107" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I have a tag team in my WWF game, The Smokin' Gunns. I formed them myself as they weren't a team in the database I'm playing in November 1992. It's currently February 1993. They've had 14 two on two tag matches, 1 two on two on two, and 2 four on four matches.<p> </p><p> According to Derek B's list, they should at least be at 28 tag experience. Yet, they're only at 22. Does them have bad chemistry together slow it down?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nah, chemistry doesn't have any effect. It just means my estimates at the </p><p> numbers are a little off. As I said, I've not tested it specifically, I only know the rough numbers. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p>

[Browning]

<p>So if you had a 3 man team composed of 3 different official tag teams each team would gain experience?</p><p> </p><p>

That's interesting to know.</p>

[The_Monk]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Browning" data-cite="Browning" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44107" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So if you had a 3 man team composed of 3 different official tag teams each team would gain experience?<p> </p><p> That's interesting to know.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> no I don't think so....... as I think the members have to be the same team..... ie you would need to have road warrior animal and hawk on one 3 man team with a third random partner.</p><p> </p><p> I don't believe you could have:</p><p> road warrior animal</p><p> demolition ax</p><p> bret hart</p><p> because they aren't official team members together</p>

[RingRider]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Browning" data-cite="Browning" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44107" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So if you had a 3 man team composed of 3 different official tag teams each team would gain experience?<p> </p><p> That's interesting to know.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The_Monk" data-cite="The_Monk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44107" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>no I don't think so....... as I think the members have to be the same team..... ie you would need to have road warrior animal and hawk on one 3 man team with a third random partner.<p> </p><p> I don't believe you could have:</p><p> road warrior animal</p><p> demolition ax</p><p> bret hart</p><p> because they aren't official team members together</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I took Browning's post to ask about a team like the Freebirds or The New Day.</p><p> </p><p> Does Big E/Kofi get experience at the same time as Kofi/Woods at the same time as Big E/Kofi if the New Day are in a 6 man tag?</p>

[Jazz49ers]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44107" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nah, chemistry doesn't have any effect. It just means my estimates at the <p> numbers are a little off. As I said, I've not tested it specifically, I only know the rough numbers. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Aww, good to know. Still nice to have a little bit of a baseline.</p>

[southside_hitmen]

Sorry to revive this thread, but I was doing some testing and came up with the actual numbers here to generate experience, so I thought I would share.

 

For every match under 40.0% experience = +1.5% to team experience

For every match over 40.0% experience = +1 to team experience

 

You gain the same experience in tag-team (in whatever variation) or 6-man matches (only 3v3).

 

You need 87 matches that count toward experience to go from 0 to 100%.

 

27 @ +1.5% boost = 40.5%

60 @ +1% boost to get you to 100%

 

Matches that generate tag team experience

- 2 vs 2

- 2 vs 2 vs 2

- 2 vs 2 vs 2 vs 2

- 3 vs 3

 

Matches that DON'T generate tag team experience

- 3 vs 3 vs 3

- 4 vs 4

- 5 vs 5

[Jobbertrev]

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you very much.

 

 

As my Local to Global has started to pick up, I have been using quite a few 4v4 involving 4 tag teams together here and there. Good to know that is not boosting their experience.

 

I'll swap to 2v2v2v2.

[The_Monk]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="southside_hitmen" data-cite="southside_hitmen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44107" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sorry to revive this thread, but I was doing some testing and came up with the actual numbers here to generate experience, so I thought I would share.<p> </p><p> For every match under 40.0% experience = +1.5% to team experience</p><p> For every match over 40.0% experience = +1 to team experience</p><p> </p><p> You gain the <strong>same</strong> experience in tag-team (in whatever variation) or 6-man matches (only 3v3).</p><p> </p><p> You need <strong>87 matches</strong> that count toward experience to go from 0 to 100%.</p><p> </p><p> 27 @ +1.5% boost = 40.5%</p><p> 60 @ +1% boost to get you to 100% </p><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Matches that generate tag team experience</span></p><p> - 2 vs 2</p><p> - 2 vs 2 vs 2</p><p> - 2 vs 2 vs 2 vs 2</p><p> - 3 vs 3</p><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Matches that </span><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>DON'T </strong></span><span style="text-decoration:underline;">generate tag team experience</span></p><p> - 3 vs 3 vs 3</p><p> - 4 vs 4</p><p> - 5 vs 5</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> this is interesting to know cheers</p>

[mrwhippy]

<p>As a big proponent of tag wrestling, I love this.</p><p> </p><p>

As a side note, does anyone know if you can get a new tag chemistry from a 3 vs 3 match? I can't recall ever seeing one and if it's been proven that you still get a 2-person tag experience boost on a 3-man team, maybe I should also discover new chemistry?</p>

[Peria]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mrwhippy" data-cite="mrwhippy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44107" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As a big proponent of tag wrestling, I love this.<p> </p><p> As a side note, does anyone know if you can get a new tag chemistry from a 3 vs 3 match? I can't recall ever seeing one and if it's been proven that you still get a 2-person tag experience boost on a 3-man team, maybe I should also discover new chemistry?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No, chemistry will never show up.</p><p> </p><p> It kind of sucks because I feel trios were very unrefined and I thought 2k16 would have fixed that.. it's ok the next one should and probably will expand on it.</p>

[mrwhippy]

<p>Ah well. I suppose it might be a bit gamey if it was there, especially if you book "Japanese" style with lots of 3 vs 3.</p><p> </p><p>

I always forget to book house show combinations.</p>

[Ernie]

Is there a difference in how much experience they get if they're a Unit as opposed to Individuals?

[The_Monk]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Ernie" data-cite="Ernie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44107" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Is there a difference in how much experience they get if they're a Unit as opposed to Individuals?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I dont think so. </p><p> </p><p> My understanding is that as a unit a loss/win affects them equally whereas as individuals the win/loss affects the one being pinned or getting the pin. Don't think this has any bearing on their Tag Experience.</p><p> </p><p> And really it shouldn't do either, as really tagging with someone is tagging with one someone regardless if a "unit" like say demolition or Individuals like the Rock and Sock</p>

[Ernie]

I guess you're right. People who team as a unit usually team together more often, which one would be doing in their booking anyway. It would be nice though if people teaming as a unit could bypass having their gimmicks compared to one another if they're non-generic.

[James Casey]

<p>This is a useful thread, thanks all!</p><p> </p><p>

Does experience increase when a team is listed as inactive - either unit or individuals? I have Shawn Michaels, Diamond Studd and Vinnie Vegas working as a trio in my game, and I'm not sure if I'll benefit from Michaels/Studd and Michaels/Vegas being inactive teams in the DB.</p>

[southside_hitmen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="James Casey" data-cite="James Casey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44107" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is a useful thread, thanks all!<p> </p><p> Does experience increase when a team is listed as inactive - either unit or individuals? I have Shawn Michaels, Diamond Studd and Vinnie Vegas working as a trio in my game, and I'm not sure if I'll benefit from Michaels/Studd and Michaels/Vegas being inactive teams in the DB.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just tested it and in fact they do gain experience, even if listed as inactive.</p><p> </p><p> I had my test team of Bulldozer Brandon and Steve Flash go from 91 to 92 after a match when they were marked as inactive</p>