Most Overrated Workers in the C-Verse

DatIsraeliGuy · December 21, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Uncrewed" data-cite="Uncrewed" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Aaron Andrews, you'll never replace Wolf Hawkins in my heart! (Semi-kayfabe, I do kind of like Andrews, but Hawkins will always be number one)</div></blockquote> HOW DARE THEE INSULT THE ACE?!?!?! Seriously now, Andrews is great in my opinion and so is Wolf, but someone who I think IS overrated: Marat Khoklov Let’s face it, if you played as the big 3 in the US you signed him first thing, made him part of a stable with some weasel type heel main eventer who eventually turned on him and he wins the belt in a 75 rated match at best. He is totally unnecessary to win the national battles and if you play as TCW, Eddie Peak is a much better option to push as he can put on a B+ (and even A- on occasion), has more than one possible gimmick and isn’t terrible on the mic. Plus, wait one month and you get Ross Henry for much cheaper and he’s already better in the ring.

Poputt · December 21, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DatIsraeliGuy" data-cite="DatIsraeliGuy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Marat Khoklov Let’s face it, if you played as the big 3 in the US you signed him first thing, made him part of a stable with some weasel type heel main eventer who eventually turned on him and he wins the belt in a 75 rated match at best. He is totally unnecessary to win the national battles and if you play as TCW, Eddie Peak is a much better option to push as he can put on a B+ (and even A- on occasion), has more than one possible gimmick and isn’t terrible on the mic. Plus, wait one month and you get Ross Henry for much cheaper and he’s already better in the ring.</div></blockquote> Nope, I actually learned how to play the game <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

DatIsraeliGuy · December 21, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Poputt" data-cite="Poputt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nope, I actually learned how to play the game <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> It was my first C-Verse save, there’s no need to be mean! But yeah, never made that mistake again

CQI13 · December 21, 2017

Playing as USPW I brought him in. If only to keep him away from the others. Right now qith Rich Money and Roger Cage.

TLCJR4LIFE · December 21, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blake Trask" data-cite="Blake Trask" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>El Mitico Jr is way overrated.</div></blockquote> I always play Mexican companies in Cverse, he’s far from overrated. He’s one of the most solid midcarders you will get in the first few years. He can easily work 80+ matches with your main eventers on TV so you can save your big matches for the PPV. I 100 percent agree with Felipe Caballero though, that dude is a flat out jobber and he’s hyped up in the Loire as some big prospect. He’s never made it past curtain jerking in any of my saves and recently I barely bother signing him.

TLCJR4LIFE · December 21, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fully agree with this. He's good, but he isn't the ratings savior some claim. Plus, he's a luchador, so he'll be nerfed in most products. I don't know about you, but I've never found guys with really high stamina that useful. If you're calling a match in ring, even a 60-minute or 90-minute Iron Man Match, you'll be fine with B or B+ stamina [or sometimes even less].</div></blockquote> Guys with high stamina can carry matches with less skilled workers much better than others, they also are useful for getting decent matches out of the Baines and Khoklovs of the world. As far as Mexican Cverse goes, no one stands out to me as especially overrated except Dos Phoenix. If either is in time decline their value is shot, in my most prominent game with OLLIE I had to break the pair up and push III as a singles star because II was so washed up. Also IV is a fairly bad prospect with such abysmal starting skills and no charisma, he’s just star quality and nothing else, he also had a poor attitude backstage most overated prospect in Mexico this side of the already mentioned Caballlero.

AceCodey · December 22, 2017

KC Glenn, Ernest Youngman, El Mitico Jr and the rest of the bland indie crew.

Boring workers with nothing particularly memorable about them. Poundland Swoop McCarthy's, the lot of them.

atomzero · December 22, 2017

I am running a Key Realism product, and El Mitico Jr. is still one of my top 3 performers. If you aren't getting much out of him, I wonder at what you are trying to do.

I don't know what is bland about Ernest Youngman, the Hitman reborn. I think he's a lot of fun.

I'm not sure what is really meant here by "overrated." The people in the forums tout these guys because they've had a lot of success in their saves, and numbers don't lie.

If "overrated" mean the bios give them a lot hype, and they don't deliver, then that makes more sense. I've seen plenty of those. Here are a few.:

Gram Gorman - That guy causes problems at almost every show.

Fro Sure - Always a disappointment for me. Pedestrian match ratings.

Kiminobu Kuroki - Causes a problem at every single show...unusable.

Rhino Umaga - He was a beast in previous versions, but he's been brought down a bit in 2016, and is unremarkable.

Not to mention that almost every big guy in the C-Verse seems to need to be carried at least a little.

KnowYourEnemy · December 22, 2017

First, I really enjoy our discussion in this thread. I saw what was going on in the underrated thread, and looked to keep it going after this died down over here. These discussions really have brought everyone together, and have been a lot of fun. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="atomzero" data-cite="atomzero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am running a Key Realism product, and El Mitico Jr. is still one of my top 3 performers. </div></blockquote> <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TLCJR4LIFE" data-cite="TLCJR4LIFE" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I always play Mexican companies in Cverse, he’s far from overrated. He’s one of the most solid midcarders you will get in the first few years. He can easily work 80+ matches with your main eventers on TV so you can save your big matches for the PPV.</div></blockquote> That's exactly what I meant by "context" being important. I'm not saying El Mitico or Fuyoku Higa aren't good, I'm saying they aren't talents you can build a company around, and there are certainly better options out there. In USPW, Rick Law and Tyson Baine can produce results, but there are several guys like Joss Thompson and Casey Valentine who produce better but don't seem to get the spotlight they deserve. El Mitico Jr. can produce great ratings -- albeit, a lot of guys can do this -- but even in Mexico he's a "midcard guy" and not a "main event talent". If El Mitico were "the next big thing" in TEW, he'd be a main event level guy. But he isn't. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="atomzero" data-cite="atomzero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you aren't getting much out of him, I wonder what you are trying to do.</div></blockquote> In some performance > pop companies, El Mitico can be a "main event level guy". Luchadors benefit [in general] from products with High+ Cult and High+ Traditional [along with Lucha and Daredevil]. But in USPW, SWF or even TCW, he's going to struggle to keep up. In other performance > pop and performance = pop companies, there are better options out there. High-Spot matches are easily exploitable in TEW, and there are several better options there for those matches -- El Serpiente, Tiger Savaje Jr. and La Estrella are all examples outside the major companies. In pop > performance companies, El Mitico Jr. will struggle to get over. His charisma and star quality just aren't that great. His promo skills are lacking. He isn't a passable brawler and his selling is only above average. For a "midcarder" or "utility player", he's going to be expensive and I'm going to have to invest in him to get him over in the States. For a "star", there are many better options. For example, if I'm running USPW, and Velocidad becomes available, I'm going to pick him up right away, because he has great charisma and star quality and excellent high-flying skills. I almost never see Velocidad mentioned when discussing great workers. For the same reasons, I rarely if ever pick up El Mitico Jr., and if I do, usually don't give him a decent push. There are several options that I'm going to pick up before him.

Blake Trask · December 22, 2017

Now I feel awkward saying I brought him up as a joke since everyone was saying he was underrated... <img alt="

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KnowYourEnemy · December 22, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blake Trask" data-cite="Blake Trask" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Now I feel awkward saying I brought him up as a joke since everyone was saying he was underrated... <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> Don't feel awkward. It was a good point.

TLCJR4LIFE · December 23, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First, I really enjoy our discussion in this thread. I saw what was going on in the underrated thread, and looked to keep it going after this died down over here. These discussions really have brought everyone together, and have been a lot of fun. That's exactly what I meant by "context" being important. I'm not saying El Mitico or Fuyoku Higa aren't good, I'm saying they aren't talents you can build a company around, and there are certainly better options out there. In USPW, Rick Law and Tyson Baine can produce results, but there are several guys like Joss Thompson and Casey Valentine who produce better but don't seem to get the spotlight they deserve. El Mitico Jr. can produce great ratings -- albeit, a lot of guys can do this -- but even in Mexico he's a "midcard guy" and not a "main event talent". If El Mitico were "the next big thing" in TEW, he'd be a main event level guy. But he isn't. In some performance > pop companies, El Mitico can be a "main event level guy". Luchadors benefit [in general] from products with High+ Cult and High+ Traditional [along with Lucha and Daredevil]. But in USPW, SWF or even TCW, he's going to struggle to keep up. In other performance > pop and performance = pop companies, there are better options out there. High-Spot matches are easily exploitable in TEW, and there are several better options there for those matches -- El Serpiente, Tiger Savaje Jr. and La Estrella are all examples outside the major companies. In pop > performance companies, El Mitico Jr. will struggle to get over. His charisma and star quality just aren't that great. His promo skills are lacking. He isn't a passable brawler and his selling is only above average. For a "midcarder" or "utility player", he's going to be expensive and I'm going to have to invest in him to get him over in the States. For a "star", there are many better options. For example, if I'm running USPW, and Velocidad becomes available, I'm going to pick him up right away, because he has great charisma and star quality and excellent high-flying skills. I almost never see Velocidad mentioned when discussing great workers. For the same reasons, I rarely if ever pick up El Mitico Jr., and if I do, usually don't give him a decent push. There are several options that I'm going to pick up before him.</div></blockquote> Well Mitico is too young to be a star even in Mexico. Theres just way better guys like El Leon and whoever drops out of the Big 3 in the US, Nicolas Lopez not in decline, Velociodad(biggest up and coming star in Mexico IMO) .. Also IMO most underated in Mexico is Extroadinario Jr. He doesnt have the SQ to be a megastar but hes so well rounded he is perfect 2nd tier Main eventer. He can carry even the likes of Tyson Baine to top matches because of his stamina and performance skills and he can play heel, face, cut a promo and carry in the ring. Going back to Mitico, what i will say is that as the game starts to go on and assuming you dont make any edits to the new gens in this game who are quite frankly very poorly RNGd(I usually edit them all though, just to keep the game world more stable. I also get tired of these weird 80/80/80 entertainers with 7 star quality or Muscular super heavyweights with 23 star quality, 60 power and 93 Menace... or worse the dreaded 85 aerial 90 flashiness with like 42 athleticism and 25 stamina). But say you play the game normally eventually the number of high star quality workers will start to heavily decline as the old stars retire... then what I see in long term games 30+ year old Mitico becomes a fringe main eventer. He was already working his way up to the Upper midcard in my 4-5 year OLLIE save.

DarK_RaideR · December 25, 2017

I played a custom all-womens company based in Eastern Europe, Higa and Jippensha were two of my first signings but absolute cancer backstage. In my 5SSW save though (yes, there are people who do that) they are drowned by an overwhelmingly positive locker room: I'm halfway into 2018 and neither has ever been involved in a backstage incident. Higa's performance is consistently in the B to B+ range, her Charisma and SQ are figurehead stuff and she's young. My only worry is she might become too expensive too soon, but 5SSW has a solid foundation and no competition anyway. I can see her being an issue brought into other companies, but she's far from overrated in 5SSW.

No clue about Mitico yet, I signed him as EMLL but he's got competition from the likes of Blue Phantom, Soda de la Uva Jr and Rapido (who starts on the CILL roster) for future main eventer, not to mention Estrella who's also around. Got an eye on Cabalerro too, I think he can turn out a very different thing depending on the Destiny rolls in each save.

Azul · December 26, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First, I really enjoy our discussion in this thread. I saw what was going on in the underrated thread, and looked to keep it going after this died down over here. These discussions really have brought everyone together, and have been a lot of fun. </div></blockquote> I have really enjoyed reading the underrated and overrated threads. They have probably been my favorite topics I have read, and I have been here (though not that active until this year) since 2008.</div></blockquote>

atomzero · December 26, 2017

It seems odd to call Mitico, and unemployed worker, overrated by comparing him to Velocidad, who starts 2016 on a written contract as a midcarder with one of the largest companies in the world. Sure, we'd all rather have Velocidad. Even when I made it to Cult in Mexico, I couldn't shell out $20K plus a month for him. Mitico wasn't even making $10k as an Upper Midcarder for me.

Now, when Eric Eisen wants $2600 per appearance, that my friends, is overrated.

Azul · December 27, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="atomzero" data-cite="atomzero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It seems odd to call Mitico, and unemployed worker, overrated by comparing him to Velocidad, who starts 2016 on a written contract as a midcarder with one of the largest companies in the world. Sure, we'd all rather have Velocidad. Even when I made it to Cult in Mexico, I couldn't shell out $20K plus a month for him. Mitico wasn't even making $10k as an Upper Midcarder for me. Now, when Eric Eisen wants $2600 per appearance, that my friends, is overrated.</div></blockquote> There are many ways you can interpret someone in the C-Verse as overrated or underrated. I believe the reason he was mentioned was because he gets a lot of good comments on this forum. I don't believe it had anything to do with his starting promotion or asking price. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Marat Khoklov Let’s face it, if you played as the big 3 in the US you signed him first thing, made him part of a stable with some weasel type heel main eventer who eventually turned on him and he wins the belt in a 75 rated match at best. He is totally unnecessary to win the national battles and if you play as TCW, Eddie Peak is a much better option to push as he can put on a B+ (and even A- on occasion), has more than one possible gimmick and isn’t terrible on the mic. Plus, wait one month and you get Ross Henry for much cheaper and he’s already better in the ring.</div></blockquote> He is averaging a 95 match rating (or close to it) for the year in my Cornellverse 2010 TEW 2016 game.

Peria · December 27, 2017

Ricky DeColt, Aaron Andrews, El Mitico Jr.

All 3 just end up falling so flat. For the first time in a save (my CV97) I've managed to utilize Ricky though. Hes in a tag team with his equally average brother Alex and they've been doing great for my tag division. Aaron Andrews is shockingly doing pretty above average in development. El Mitico hasn't debuted yet.

So, maybe they'll pay off in this save but the other 100+ saves have been a total bust.

dude-1981 · December 27, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Peria" data-cite="Peria" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ricky DeColt, Aaron Andrews, El Mitico Jr. All 3 just end up falling so flat. For the first time in a save (my CV97) I've managed to utilize Ricky though. Hes in a tag team with his equally average brother Alex and they've been doing great for my tag division. Aaron Andrews is shockingly doing pretty above average in development. El Mitico hasn't debuted yet. So, maybe they'll pay off in this save but the other 100+ saves have been a total bust.</div></blockquote> Aaron Andrews in development? Are you thinking of someone else? I'm SWF, signed him from TCW put him into the main event and he is A pop, feuding with Jack Bruce and producing amazing matches.

KnowYourEnemy · December 27, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ricky DeColt, Aaron Andrews and El Mitico Jr.</div></blockquote> Andrews? Definitely. First thing I do is try to find a way to take the belt off Aaron Andrews, or at least move him away from the main event. Problem is, he hasn't managed a defense, so I weigh it with my desire to hotshot the TCW World Title. He's a solid midcarder, maybe even a gatekeeper, but he's not and shouldn't be the guy, ever. You're not going to get him to call matches in ring. He isn't going to improve his decent star quality by changing sizes. He can't cut a good promo, and doesn't have the acting chops to go unscripted. There are so many better options in TCW -- Peak, Bach, Tornado, Both Machines and Golden to name a few. I'd even throw the strap to Vessey before considering Andrews. Point being, 29 is too late in TEW to be "a work in progress". At 25? Maybe I'd see it. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Aaron Andrews in development? Are you thinking of someone else? I'm SWF, signed him from TCW put him into the main event and he is A pop, feuding with Jack Bruce and producing amazing matches.</div></blockquote> You put effort into the guy and he gets a good destiny roll, anything is possible. It isn't what he does, but if someone else could do it better.

dude-1981 · December 27, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Andrews? Definitely. First thing I do is try to find a way to take the belt off Aaron Andrews, or at least move him away from the main event. Problem is, he hasn't managed a defense, so I weigh it with my desire to hotshot the TCW World Title. He's a solid midcarder, maybe even a gatekeeper, but he's not and shouldn't be the guy, ever. You're not going to get him to call matches in ring. </div></blockquote> OK, well I can't relate to a lot of that but I have him in a stable with Wolf Hawkins, Rich Money and Jay Chord (NWO style stable) so maybe they do some of the heavy lifting. He's the 10th most popular guy in the USA on my save so seems strange to call him a midcarder to me. But can I just ask you one thing, the bit about not going to have him call matches in the ring. I have my default setting as "call in ring" is that not a great idea? I read somewhere here that it would help with psychology ratings?

KnowYourEnemy · December 27, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dude-1981" data-cite="dude-1981" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>OK, well I can't relate to a lot of that but I have him in a stable with Wolf Hawkins, Rich Money and Jay Chord (NWO style stable) so maybe they do some of the heavy lifting. He's the 10th most popular guy in the USA on my save so seems strange to call him a midcarder to me. But can I just ask you one thing, the bit about not going to have him call matches in the ring. I have my default setting as "call in ring" is that not a great idea? I read somewhere here that it would help with psychology ratings?</div></blockquote> I think it just means that "call in ring" and not "script" is the default setting. May be wrong. He starts with 75 Psychology. Usually with some work, it'll improve -- however, at the game start, he isn't able to call in ring. Depending on who you ask, a worker can call in ring with either 76 or 78 Psychology -- usually you want to go with 78 just to be safe. Unless you really focus on it, it'll probably take you about an in-game year to gain three points. My experience is most saves won't last more than 3, so this is a significant amount of time for a main event level guy to not call matches in ring.

dude-1981 · December 27, 2017

Sorry, I probably wasn't clear.

I guess I was asking if having Call In Ring as default is a good idea? Are scripted matches likely to get better grades?

Bigpapa42 · December 27, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dude-1981" data-cite="dude-1981" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sorry, I probably wasn't clear. I guess I was asking if having Call In Ring as default is a good idea? Are scripted matches likely to get better grades?</div></blockquote> No, scripted matches get a small penalty. Realistically, they don't tend to flow as well. There are some real wrestling exceptions, but that does generally apply. The key is using scripting if your workers aren't capable of carrying the call in ring approach.

batsnumbereleven · December 27, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dude-1981" data-cite="dude-1981" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Aaron Andrews in development? Are you thinking of someone else? I'm SWF, signed him from TCW put him into the main event and he is A pop, feuding with Jack Bruce and producing amazing matches.</div></blockquote> He said a CV97 save, so I assume this would be when Andrews first graduates from the TCW dojo, not the 2016 Andrews.

dude-1981 · December 27, 2017

Thanks both and sorry for sending this thread off on a bit of a tangent.

I've learnt a lot from reading this forum.

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