BrokenCycle Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <p>Haven't started a show yet but this release has impressed me immensely. I think that Adam has learned a lot about creating good UIs. This game has a ton of great features, and has definitely exceeded my expectations. </p><p> </p><p> My only two complaints so far before I dive into the game:</p><p> </p><p> - Changing weight classes on the ranking screen is slow to react. </p><p> </p><p> - The Assistant feature is amazing, but needs a way to cancel the loading. </p><p> </p><p> Don't know if either of these are possible, but that's just my two minor annoyances so far.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mr_Tricky" data-cite="Mr_Tricky" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not sure if this is intended, but upon creating a character a message popped up saying he could not make his best weight. His walking weight is 160lbs, and his best weight is 145lbs. It only gives a 6lbs allowance for cutting weight. It's not uncommon for fighters to cut 10lbs just in one day.<p> </p><p> Sorry if this is not the appropriate thread to bring this up.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Did you leave his Weight Cutting at 0, or very low?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tricky Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Did you leave his Weight Cutting at 0, or very low?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes, I did. Thanks. I didn't know it factored in his weight cutting skill. That's cool.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mr_Tricky" data-cite="Mr_Tricky" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes, I did. Thanks. I didn't know it factored in his weight cutting skill. That's cool.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No problem. There's even a table of the numbers involved in the Handbook, linked in the taskbar.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAManiac Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <p>A small fly weight division would have been nice for sure, I mean UFC may not have had them until recently but fly weights have been fighting in MMA for a very long time. A small beginning division like we see with 135 would have been a very welcome addition, with that said with all the improvements in this game it's a minor detail that we at least have a work around for. </p><p> </p><p> One concern I have is how the results were done. It was said it was done by legitimately simming the results, in theroy that was awesome. In practise im not so sure, how was it done ? </p><p> </p><p> I assumed you would do a fight like ten times, taking the average winner and picking whichever result you wanted. Taking a quick look at the rankings of the companies though that doesn't seem to be the case. Of course I know these fights go differently all the time so it could just be how it played out but some of these seem like the fight was done once and that was it. I find it hard to believe someone like Brandon sugar beat Sean Morrison more times then not. I really feel like he in no way shape or form should have won that trilogy, obviously in games sugar does win it sometimes, but Morrison wins at least 80% in my experience. There's numerous cases like this that I see that make me scratch my head and wonder. For example darin blood defeating nathan chambers, tora mizwar beating petey mack, mike watson beating marlon john Gladstone lopes beating rav kapur (gutted over this one kapur suppose to be undefeated against foster <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />) etc etc. These are just a few examples from gamma alone that make me worry the results were decided by one fight, I mean these guys really won more often then not ?</p><p> </p><p> Results from the last year all come down to perspective so it is what it is either way, I mean this is "cannon" now unfortunately (in some cases) but some of the results just seem weird to me (I know seems like I'm complaining alot lol but I'm Actually super excited for this, I put in thousands of hours on each game. It's just I'm seeing some things that I'm not sure how I feel about.)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MMAManiac" data-cite="MMAManiac" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> I find it hard to believe someone like Brandon sugar beat Sean Morrison more times then not. I really feel like he in no way shape or form should have won that trilogy, obviously in games sugar does win it sometimes, but Morrison wins at least 80% in my experience.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You can't really apply the logic of "well, x beat y almost always in the past" because it's with a very different engine and very different stats. Morrison is far from the beast he was in the previous game because of his physical decline and the fact that his style is no longer so overpowered.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAManiac Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You can't really apply the logic of "well, x beat y almost always in the past" because it's with a very different engine and very different stats. Morrison is far from the beast he was in the previous game because of his physical decline and the fact that his style is no longer so overpowered.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fair enough, I was assuming the fights had been simmed through the wmma 4 engine.</p><p> </p><p> *EDIT* I assumed you would do it like that so everyone was same stats as we knew at the time and the cannon would go on the way we would expect (for the most part of course it's MMA weird things happen) </p><p> </p><p> You're saying their stats got a bit of a overhaul though and then they were simmed on the wmma 5 engine, that would explain why I see some results that are unexpected to say the least. I guess it will just take getting used to lol any thoughts I had of where the world could be right now get thrown out the window in that case.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripwalk Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MMAManiac" data-cite="MMAManiac" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fair enough, I was assuming the fights had been simmed through the wmma 4 engine.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't know why you would naturally assume every fight simulated was simulated multiple times to pick a winner either. How would you advance a game world forward if you had to individually sim every fight multiple times? There's nothing "wrong" with it if it was just simmed once (or a few and pick which end up world looks the best).</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAManiac Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ripwalk" data-cite="ripwalk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't know why you would naturally assume every fight simulated was simulated multiple times to pick a winner either. How would you advance a game world forward if you had to individually sim every fight multiple times? There's nothing "wrong" with it if it was just simmed once (or a few and pick which end up world looks the best).</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I would assume that because sometimes the simulation is just weird. Also because to make a result cannon it really shouldn't be so unfair as to rest it on one fight. Someone could beat someone 99/100 times yet that one time you sim it the other guy wins. Wouldn't make sense to just do a fight once, you want the most consistent winner for the most part( obviously underdog wins are needed as well) </p><p> </p><p> Example it would be weird seeing Tim boyer as gamma champ when foster destroys him 99/100 games I've ever seen lol, but I have seen that one time Boyer won. Making him the champ would have been a little ridiculous imo though. Obviously the game needs evolving but for people like me who have immersed themselves so much into the game some things just would not be right. If you decide the results on one fight only it opens the door for nonsense.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> *EDIT* also it's not like you have to play ten different games to get these results. That's what quick fight is for.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aya_ Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 you could probably choose some of the results in WMMA4 and criticize them the same way. like Sarah Vaughan losing to Sadorra or Fezzik losing to Cabal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsoccerpro Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MMAManiac" data-cite="MMAManiac" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I would assume that because sometimes the simulation is just weird. Also because to make a result cannon it really shouldn't be so unfair as to rest it on one fight. Someone could beat someone 99/100 times yet that one time you sim it the other guy wins. Wouldn't make sense to just do a fight once, you want the most consistent winner for the most part( obviously underdog wins are needed as well) <p> </p><p> Example it would be weird seeing Tim boyer as gamma champ when foster destroys him 99/100 games I've ever seen lol, but I have seen that one time Boyer won. Making him the champ would have been a little ridiculous imo though. Obviously the game needs evolving but for people like me who have immersed themselves so much into the game some things just would not be right. If you decide the results on one fight only it opens the door for nonsense.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> *EDIT* also it's not like you have to play ten different games to get these results. That's what quick fight is for.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's MMA anyone could beat anyone. I don't think there should be less upsets just because you want the best fighters to start at the top or on streaks. That would be unrealistic.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAManiac Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="aya_" data-cite="aya_" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>you could probably choose some of the results in WMMA4 and criticize them the same way. like Sarah Vaughan losing to Sadorra or Fezzik losing to Cabal</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> While this is true, the results were just made up then (I'm pretty sure) so was easier to accept for example sugar being champ in wmma4. We all know he stood very little chance of holding that title very long, and while we all knew Morrison almost always beat him it was believable because Sugar always had that chance of getting the submission just due to morrisions style alone. But yes 4 had some nonsense results as well (I'm looking at you brubaker lol) thats not really the point though. I was just stuck on my wmma4 ways, as Adam has said though they received stat changes then the results were simmed in the wmma5 engine, that means everything is thrown out the door anyways so it should be expected to see things that wouldn't have happened in wmma4.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afroduck Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <p>I am not going to harp on it just wanted to say to those mentioning UFC just getting flyweights not too long ago in real life. If we were using that theory then there really should be No Flyweights, Bantamweights, Featherweights, Female Fighters and a very small pool of Lightweights for a mod set in 2001.</p><p> </p><p> Anyways I have my Flyweights I made for WMMA 4 using some of the great renders that were posted here just have to go through and convert them over.</p><p> </p><p> Small mistake I noticed Kush Singh and Marcelo Oberto are using the same Picture.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebby Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I'm sure that CVE will be releasing smaller fighters and women within the few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Malice Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You can't really apply the logic of "well, x beat y almost always in the past" because it's with a very different engine and very different stats. Morrison is far from the beast he was in the previous game because of his physical decline and the fact that his style is no longer so overpowered.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sean Morrison isnt a beast anymore??? Nooooooooooooooo!!!!</p><p> </p><p> haha well at least I can use the editor to make him a beast again.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAManiac Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <p>One thing I'm genuinely surprised about. I thought we would be surprised by Omegas inclusion in the game(obviously wouldn't have been a surprise to me lol) almost every game I have done since wmma 3 Omega opens up within the first year. I really thought we would finally see them as a starting company, I was kinda looking forward to see what their starting champions looked like booked by a real person. Oh well, I may just edit them in myself. </p><p> </p><p> Can't wait for the full game to come out to get years into this and see how things play out. In older versions I would go 15-20 years without seeing anyone other then OMEGA opening, hopefully it becomes a bit more common for other companies to open up bring more life into the world mid-late game.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwasfn47 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <p>I have over 150 games on Steam, and have beat well over 50 games on PS4 and XBOX One over the past few years. I don't know that I've been as excited for a game as I am today. </p><p> </p><p> Thanks a lot for the hard work you do Adam, and a special shout out to all the real world modders out there!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MMAManiac" data-cite="MMAManiac" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I find it hard to believe someone like Brandon sugar beat Sean Morrison more times then not. I really feel like he in no way shape or form should have won that trilogy, obviously in games sugar does win it sometimes, but Morrison wins at least 80% in my experience. There's numerous cases like this that I see that make me scratch my head and wonder. For example darin blood defeating nathan chambers, tora mizwar beating petey mack, mike watson beating marlon john Gladstone lopes beating rav kapur (gutted over this one kapur suppose to be undefeated against foster <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />) etc etc. These are just a few examples from gamma alone that make me worry the results were decided by one fight, I mean these guys really won more often then not ?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How about you just delete the pre-game results from the database and leave it open? Or change them to the outcome you prefer? Nobody is forcing you to play with the default database. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="I am Malice" data-cite="I am Malice" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sean Morrison isnt a beast anymore??? Nooooooooooooooo!!!!<p> </p><p> haha well at least I can use the editor to make him a beast again.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I expect he does behave like a beast sometimes out of the cage, given his persona. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAManiac Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <p>Found another bug, not exactly sure how to explain this one though. I was creating a fighter in the editor basically had him finished and went to mental. When I did this the way it came up looked weird on my screen and every time I changed a stat it added this little bar at the end. After I finished changing all the mental stats I wasn't able to click off of it( so have to close the game and throw away what I created so far). Not sure I'm explaining this right I took a screenshot though</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> *EDIT* before it's asked yes I'm on administrator mode</p><p> </p><p> Double edit. Ok so I found the issue. I had changed my resolution to be 1366 x 768. This basically made it full screen but for some reason cut off things in that spot. I put my resolution higher and it's all good now</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peria Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <p>I'll be honest this UI definitely will take some time. But I enjoy the freedom we have with it. </p><p> </p><p> I enjoy the "Assistant" for matchmaking though, super cool and great feature.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureluck45 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <p>So odd issue, I'm using a custom database that I've used since all the way back in WMMA 3. Made a one night tournament in the prelims of my first card. Finished the first fight of that tournament and I received the following message after I clicked yes on the leave fight? prompt:</p><p> </p><p> Run-time error '3265':</p><p> Item not found in this collection</p><p> </p><p> I restarted the game and removed the tournament from the card and it ran without a problem. I'm sure this is because I messed something up in the database converter I just don't know what. Thanks for your time</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="pureluck45" data-cite="pureluck45" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So odd issue, I'm using a custom database that I've used since all the way back in WMMA 3. Made a one night tournament in the prelims of my first card. Finished the first fight of that tournament and I received the following message after I clicked yes on the leave fight? prompt:<p> </p><p> Run-time error '3265':</p><p> Item not found in this collection</p><p> </p><p> I restarted the game and removed the tournament from the card and it ran without a problem. I'm sure this is because I messed something up in the database converter I just don't know what. Thanks for your time</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No, there is simply an error with tournament in the prelims. It has been reported and dealt with (in the Technical Support forum). It will be fixed in tomorrow's patch.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebby Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Alright, finally home and getting to try this out. Thanks for all the hard work! Day one purchase for me, certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdidman Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <p>Not sure why</p><p> </p><p> Does anyone know why I would get this after trying to install?</p><p> </p><p> Error</p><p> You do not have access to make the required system configuration modifications. Please rerun this installation from an administrators account</p><p> </p><p> I only run from administrators account.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebby Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cdidman" data-cite="cdidman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="44601" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Does anyone know why I would get this after trying to install?<p> </p><p> Error</p><p> You do not have access to make the required system configuration modifications. Please rerun this installation from an administrators account</p><p> </p><p> I only run from administrators account.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Even if you are on the admin account, still right click and use 'run as administrator.' That worked for me.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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