Over the Edge - Flashpoint (Alt. Reality Mod Hype)

[Fleisch]

<p>After the first play through, I am going to have to make some tweaks to the WCW story due to Savage leaving the business almost instantly in game and the ownership going elsewhere. I have highlighted the change in red.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> The WCW never reached the heights it had done in 1996, but maintained a steady pace moving forward, both creating new stars and bringing in the underutilised and released WWE workers over time. They have a solid roster with several decent names (Cody Rhodes joined in 2016, Drew Galloway, Ryback, Damien Sandow etc). One of WCW's biggest home grown stars from the mid 00's (Mark Jindrak) opted to leave the company when they refused to pay him what he believed he was worth. The former 3 time World Champion headed down to CMLL and never looked back.</p><p> </p><p> WCW and WWE's rivalry also cooled over time, with both companies concentrating on their own respective business and not paying the other too much attention. In a 2008 interview, Savage was quoted as saying "I didn't buy the company to beat the WWE, I bought it for the tape library. I don't see any point in "Wars" on any day of the week and we will concentrate on our model, and they can concentrate on theirs. It's about making money for me now and not enemies. <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">In 2015, Savage would step away from the business (He remains the owner of WCW) and would place long time booker, Jeff Jarrett as CEO. Jarrett brought in Scott D'Amore to head up his booking team having seen his work in Stampede. There were rumours in late 2016, that Savage was about to sell up, but when questioned about this, Jarrett said he had spoken to Savage and there was no truth to the matter.</span></strong>"</p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> EDIT: I also just realised this may take a little longer than expected as I forgot one major change I need to make to the worker bios! Can't have mention of someone working for Impact when it never existed in this timeline so I will need to re-write a few (hundred?) bio's. I'm not going to do super bio's, just maybe take out any mentions of Impact, and maybe put in any changes their career took from the real world.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Larrikn" data-cite="Larrikn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What's bigger globally in game NJPW or WCW?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> NJPW are bigger than WCW in this timeline.</p>

[phoenixnitro]

I'm so stoked to play this with each update I'm reading. Safe to say this mod is getting me right back into TEW once it comes out.

[D16NJD16]

Love this backstory simply as an idea for an alternate reality 1999 save.

[stiffkick80]

Really looking forward to this. I don't usually play as WCW but I just may have to with this mod...

[Fleisch]

<p>Small update;</p><p> </p><p>

Been working on the bios for WCW workers as well as their Employment histories this morning (taking out Impact/GWF/TNA references where possible). These are tedious jobs but make the overall data seem a little more put together and inter-linked. </p><p> </p><p>

My aim is to have most of the more well known indie workers employment histories done too by release as I'm coming to the end of the changes in terms of where people work and what titles have been held.</p><p> </p><p>

The WWE do have a couple of different people on the roster too, and no doubt some people will look to sign one guy away from Stampede to see if they can make him a success - I'm going to invoke my apparent deity powers and leave that for you to find when released. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

I'm also thinking of adding a few people to the data that are not in RWC to flesh some areas out (especially as I don't have to be completely accurate with how good/bad some people turned out).</p><p> </p><p>

I've just run a test and need to find a way to stop Triple H moving back to the main roster in WWE and leaving NXT without an owner.</p>

[crackerjack]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> I've just run a test and need to find a way to stop Triple H moving back to the main roster in WWE and leaving NXT without an owner.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Been reading along so far Fleisch, color me interested. Have you tried making Triple H loyal to NXT?</p>

[phoenixnitro]

So excited to play this still, I keep getting curious about the changes that have happened with some people. Rey Mysterio comes to mind, I wonder if he ever reached a World Heavyweight Championship reign in WCW? Ah', so excited for this! So many games I can play with this as well. Appreciate all the hard work, Fleisch!

[Fleisch]

<p>My plan was to have this out today (anniversary of Owen Hart's death) but there are still a few tweaks I want to make so I've failed in getting it out on the day I wanted.</p><p> </p><p>

It is ALMOST finished and I'd say maybe a week, 2 tops and I should have a beta (or maybe a Version 1) for this out. The last play through I've done has seen things come together quite nicely.</p>

[DatIsraeliGuy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My plan was to have this out today (anniversary of Owen Hart's death) but there are still a few tweaks I want to make so I've failed in getting it out on the day I wanted.<p> </p><p> It is ALMOST finished and I'd say maybe a week, 2 tops and I should have a beta (or maybe a Version 1) for this out. The last play through I've done has seen things come together quite nicely.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt="giphy.gif" data-src="https://media.giphy.com/media/90F8aUepslB84/giphy.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[smurphy1014]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My plan was to have this out today (anniversary of Owen Hart's death) but there are still a few tweaks I want to make so I've failed in getting it out on the day I wanted.<p> </p><p> It is ALMOST finished and I'd say maybe a week, 2 tops and I should have a beta (or maybe a Version 1) for this out. The last play through I've done has seen things come together quite nicely.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt="tenor.gif?itemid=4453990" data-src="https://media1.tenor.com/images/a101e8f6057eac01a0a9a4f18a376b1a/tenor.gif?itemid=4453990" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Fleisch]

<p>A tiny something extra about the women's scene...</p><p> </p><p>

2012 saw the return of one of the 1980's most popular cult favourites, Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling! Bought by Canyon Cemen, the company held it's comeback show in May 2012. The show was deemed a success, with fans praising the 4 corners match for the new G.L.O.W. Queen of the Ring championship, which has become the primary belt for the company. The match involved Glory (Christie Ricci) defeating Shark Girl (Daffney), Paige Webb (Serena Deeb) and Kandi Kisses (Lizzy Valentine) to become the inaugural champion. The show also featured Siren (Shelly Martinez), Felony (Rain, Bonnie Maxon), Beatrice Bristol (Holly Blossom) and Brooke Lynn (Becky Bayless). The company (along with SHIMMER & SHINE) became a part of an alliance dubbed "RISE Women's Alliance".</p><p> </p><p>

Yeah most of the names I used were from Wrestlicious but that promotion didn't exist in this timeline so no one got sued! <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Current G.L.O.W. Roster</span></strong></p><p>

Sarah Backman as Spirit</p><p>

Serena Deeb as Paige Webb</p><p>

Shelly Martinez as Siren </p><p>

Jennifer Blake as Autumn Frost </p><p>

Becky Bayless as Brooke Lynn </p><p>

Christie Ricci as Glory </p><p>

Rain as Felony</p><p>

Lizzy Valentine as Kandi Kisses </p><p>

Neveah as Kickstart Katie </p><p>

Daffney as Shark Girl </p><p>

Daizee Haze as Marley </p><p>

Leva Bates as Mimic </p><p>

Holly Blossom as Beatrice Bristol </p><p>

Rosemary as Rosemary </p><p>

Roni Nicole as Big Bang</p><p>

Alicia Fox as Tori Fox</p><p>

Amber Nova as Nova Girl </p><p>

Cheerleader Melissa as Alissa Flash</p>

[Questiontime101]

<p>re</p><p> </p><p>

OMG! <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> This mod is going to be so much fun to play and to look around and see how the world is now</p>

[Fleisch]

<p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Story of Bray Wyatt</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

Bray Wyatt has been causing hell on the denizens of the WWE Universe since he, Rowan & Harper made their main roster debut in 2012. "The Eater of Worlds" has shown no remorse in his quest to destroy each and every obstacle in his path. The Wyatts first made their presence known during a match between John Cena & Randy Orton, when mid match the lights went out and Bray could be seen on the Titantron, laughing before blowing out his lantern. When the lights came back on, Cena and Orton looked bewildered.</p><p> </p><p>

It would be 2 weeks before the Wyatt's showed up on an episode of Raw, taking out Kane and destroying the Big Red Machine before carrying his limp body from the ring. Harper & Rowan would continue assaulting wrestlers week after week at Brays order, until Kane returned! The crowd went wild at the thought of Kane finally getting some revenge, but it was short lived and once again Kane was left a heap in the ring (Kane was due to take time off so this was WWE's way of writing him out of stories).</p><p> </p><p>

The Wyatts became a dominant force over the next few months, with Bray getting a number of victories over stars such as Dolph Ziggler, Randy Orton & even John Cena (before his heel turn). It appeared no one could stop The Wyatt Family's reign of terror, until The Shield interrupted one of Bray Wyatts "Sermons" to the crowd. This set up a match for 2013's SummerSlam event in which the 3 members of the Shield would take on the Wyatt family. The match was an absolute bloodbath with Dean Ambrose finally getting pinned by Bray Wyatt following the return of Kane, who took out Roman Reigns & Seth Rollins before getting beaten down by Rowan & Harper. Kane would feud with the Wyatts for the remainder of 2013, defeating both Rowan & Harper in singles action, before losing to Bray Wyatt at TLC in December.</p><p> </p><p>

At the 2014 Royal Rumble, Bray began calling out The Undertaker for a match at Wrestlemania (believing the Undertaker to "fear" The Eater of Worlds), but 'Taker didn't respond. Instead, the next night on Raw, Bray informed the live crowd that Sister Abigail was coming! Mind games began between Bray and 'Taker throughout February & March. On the 31st March edition of Raw, during a match between Bray Wyatt and Zack Ryder, a veiled woman came down to the ring, torn nuns dress, her pale (painted) face with smeared Mascara and a rosary in hand. The sight of her made Zack lose focus and Bray used the distraction to pick up the win. The woman let out a blood curdling scream towards Bray as he stood laughing in her direction. Was this Sister Abigail? Yes, yes it was. And this was confirmed on the next episode of Smackdown Live, when Wyatt introduced her. (Note: Sister Abigail in this timeline was played by Su Yung). </p><p> </p><p>

Bray Wyatt cemented his place in history when at Wrestlemania XXX he ended the Undertakers undefeated streak! The crowd were in shock. Bray looked at the fallen Undertaker, laughing like a maniac, malice in his eyes before Harper & Rowan took the fallen Undertaker to the back.</p><p> </p><p>

In August 2015, The Wyatts got even stronger when they debuted Braun Strowman as their 4th member. Braun, an unstable 6'8", 385lb mountain of a man began decimating every single one of Bray's enemies, however it was his instability that would soon see him turn against his Stablemates when Bray ordered Rowan & Harper to destroy Braun following his attack on Sister Abigail the week before that saw her slap Braun, only for him to chokeslam her through the announce table (effectively "killing" the character following Su Yung leaving the company). After a mini-feud with Braun that culminated in a 3-1 match, Bray would go on to win the WWE World Heavyweight title at the TLC PPV in 2015, the first of his multiple reigns.</p><p> </p><p>

In 2017, Su Yung would return to the WWE as Sister Abigail, tormenting (the now Face) Braun Strowman with shrieks and wails - causing Braun to lose to Bray Wyatt at Fastlane, and helping him retain the World title. Sister Abigail would then go on to feud with several of the women in the Women's division before once again, in January 2018 leaving the company.</p><p> </p><p>

In February 2018, The Wyatt Family would gain a new member following the void left by Sister Abigail, when during a Title Defence against Randy Orton, Bray Wyatt was assisted by Paige! Now calling herself the "Sister of Anarchy". Paige would also help Bray retain his title at Wrestlemania 34 against Shinsuke Nakamura.</p>

[DatIsraeliGuy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Story of Bray Wyatt</span></strong><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt="tenor.gif" data-src="https://media.tenor.com/images/e4ebcc45bbe9bd6f4c94329181aae34e/tenor.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[smurphy1014]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Story of Bray Wyatt</span></strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt="giphy.gif" data-src="https://media.giphy.com/media/QexBv0amMb12o/giphy.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[gtym3]

<p>Gotta say, I love everything so far. Really can't wait.</p><p> </p><p>

Just a quick question, I know you said that not everything was going to be changed but there are a few indy wrestlers that passed that I would have loved to know if their career trajectory would be different in this world. Two I could think of immediately are Larry Sweeney and Trent Acid.</p>

[Fleisch]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="gtym3" data-cite="gtym3" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Gotta say, I love everything so far. Really can't wait.<p> </p><p> Just a quick question, I know you said that not everything was going to be changed but there are a few indy wrestlers that passed that I would have loved to know if their career trajectory would be different in this world. Two I could think of immediately are Larry Sweeney and Trent Acid.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Larry Sweeney has (so far) had a pretty decent career. Still alive and still rocking the throwback gimmick.</p><p> </p><p> Trent Acid is also still alive - the guy was one of my favourites back in 2002 and 2003. Honestly had the potential to be really good. Potential, he has (in this timeline) began living up to after getting clean.</p><p> </p><p> I'm not going to tell you where they have ended up (or where they have been) as their employment histories are done too.</p>

[Questiontime101]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Larry Sweeney has (so far) had a pretty decent career. Still alive and still rocking the throwback gimmick.<p> </p><p> Trent Acid is also still alive - the guy was one of my favourites back in 2002 and 2003. Honestly had the potential to be really good. Potential, he has (in this timeline) began living up to after getting clean.</p><p> </p><p> I'm not going to tell you where they have ended up (or where they have been) as their employment histories are done too.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This mod is going to be amazing and I will like to be the first to thank you for how much time you are putting into this mod <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[gtym3]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Larry Sweeney has (so far) had a pretty decent career. Still alive and still rocking the throwback gimmick.<p> </p><p> Trent Acid is also still alive - the guy was one of my favourites back in 2002 and 2003. Honestly had the potential to be really good. Potential, he has (in this timeline) began living up to after getting clean.</p><p> </p><p> I'm not going to tell you where they have ended up (or where they have been) as their employment histories are done too.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You are the freaking man!</p><p> </p><p> I was also a HUGE Trent Acid fan back in 2002/2003 when he was just putting awesome matches in CZW. Being able to see an alternate universe where he may have lived up to his potential is awesome.</p><p> </p><p> I'm really looking forward to doing some cool things with this when you release it. Thanks!</p>

[slumdog15]

<p>I can't believe I saw this thread just now. I always pass this because I thought it was a DC Comics mod with the title Flashpoint. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Just want to reply here to show support on what you're doing. I'm a big fan of fantasy scenarios going all the way back to iDOM.</p>

[alpha2117]

Please tell me that Treenesha Biggers (Rhaka Khan), Mark Copani (Muhammad Hassan), Cryme Tyme, Matt Cappotelli, Ted Dibiase Jr, Richie Steamboat, Lindsay Kay Hayward (Aloisa -(Isis the Amazon the 6'11 girl who was cut from NXT series 3), Zahra Schreiber (former Rollins gf now Sonya Deville gf) and 7 ft Thunder all avoided issues and made it in this world. Angela Fong, Alex Lee, Taryn Terrell are still active real world but they all should have made the Main WWE roster as wrestlers too.

[Fleisch]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Please tell me that Treenesha Biggers (Rhaka Khan), Mark Copani (Muhammad Hassan), Cryme Tyme, Matt Cappotelli, Ted Dibiase Jr, Richie Steamboat, Lindsay Kay Hayward (Aloisa -(Isis the Amazon the 6'11 girl who was cut from NXT series 3), Zahra Schreiber (former Rollins gf now Sonya Deville gf) and 7 ft Thunder all avoided issues and made it in this world. Angela Fong, Alex Lee, Taryn Terrell are still active real world but they all should have made the Main WWE roster as wrestlers too.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Some did but some people's fortunes played out the same as this timeline. At least 5 of the people in your list are having better careers. You'll have to wait and see who as half the fun is finding out as you play! <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[phoenixnitro]

The closer we get to release, the more excited I become. I'm so stoked to go through and read about everyone! I plan on making a few series on YouTube with this mod as there is soooo many ideas I can't wait to play out. So excited!

[alpha2117]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45327" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Some did but some people's fortunes played out the same as this timeline. At least 5 of the people in your list are having better careers. You'll have to wait and see who as half the fun is finding out as you play! <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You tease!</p>

[DatIsraeliGuy]

Do you have an estimate of when the beta testing starts? Really excited