BlueStar Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <p>SO, train of thought....what is "cult" (Orange) and "scum" (Red) are operating as one unit? </p><p> </p><p> Anyone?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zergon Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> Instead of just being willing to answer questions, it helps to ask questions and push conversation yourself as well. Don't be afraid to investigate your own path even if it is a different direction from what others are focusing on.</p><p> </p><p> But I'll ask you one. How many mafia do you think there are? And right this second, who would you say they are?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The problem is I´m not having much reads as I said before, still need to work on those but I try to answer the best I can.</p><p> </p><p> Answered the first one already (4 - 5 would be my guess)</p><p> Not confident on any of my reads but currently I´m thinking DJ, Lukess11, MLT and... I guess Emark and Destiny if 5 members.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <p>You can’t give a single damn reason you think I’m scummy. It’s day FIVE. 87% <span class="ipsEmoji">😛</span> of the forum thought I was scum from the beginning yet, nothing has been said. You’d thing SOMEONE would check me right? Bet you someone has and are staying quiet because I’m BLUE. Yet a few of you keep saying you think I’m scum. </p><p> </p><p> I can give you my role. I’m a prominent member of the crew, can you say the same? </p><p> </p><p> This is why you think I’m bitter. I’ve bern saying from the beginning, hell BEGGING people to do something. If you think I’m scummy, vote fir me. Put the pressure on me. Don’t keep going back to it each day phase instead of wasting valuable town time. I’m all fir DJ pushing that button if he wants. Yeah you’ll lose at least one townie, but at least you’ll move on to someone else and maybe actually pressure them instead of everyone screaming. OH MY GID YOURE SO SCUMMY, but do nothing.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Sweet Spartan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I disagree, if town can get a consensus list I wouldn’t mind the trade off at all. The only problem is DJ is the one who floated 6 mafia out there and if that’s true it’s basically impossible to use his world ending ability</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Let me do the math for most potential scenarios. </p><p> </p><p> <strong>If there are six scum among the 15 of us:</strong></p><p> </p><p> *successful mafia lynch = 5/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 2/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 2/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 4/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 4/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 5/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 5/10 <strong>TOWN LOSES WITH NIGHT KILL</strong></p><p> </p><p> *unsuccessful mafia lynch = 6/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 4/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 4/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 5/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 5/10 <strong>TOWN LOSES WITH NIGHT KILL</strong></p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 6/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 6/10 <strong>TOWN LOSES REGARDLESS OF NIGHT KILL</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>If there are five scum among the 15 of us:</strong></p><p> </p><p> *successful mafia lynch = 4/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 1/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 1/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 2/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 2/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 4/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 4/10 </p><p> </p><p> *unsuccessful mafia lynch = 5/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 2/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 2/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 4/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 4/10 </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 5/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 5/10 <strong>TOWN LOSES WITH NIGHT KILL</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>If there are four scum among the 15 of us:</strong></p><p> </p><p> *successful mafia lynch = 3/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 0/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 0/10 <strong>TOWN WINS REGARDLESS OF NIGHT KILL</strong></p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 1/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 1/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 2/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 2/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10 </p><p> </p><p> *unsuccessful mafia lynch = 4/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 1/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 1/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 2/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 2/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10 </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 4/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 4/10</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zergon Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Really need to go to sleep now as I´m already bit past my bed time (boy this game is way more attractive and time consuming that I thought it would be). If you have any more questions I answer them when back online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BlueStar" data-cite="BlueStar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>SO, train of thought....what is "cult" (Orange) and "scum" (Red) are operating as one unit? <p> </p><p> Anyone?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hey, TSS...thoughts on this?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Let me do the math for most potential scenarios. <p> </p><p> <strong>If there are six scum among the 15 of us:</strong></p><p> </p><p> *successful mafia lynch = 5/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 2/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 2/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 4/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 4/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 5/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 5/10 <strong>TOWN LOSES WITH NIGHT KILL</strong></p><p> </p><p> *unsuccessful mafia lynch = 6/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 4/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 4/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 5/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 5/10 <strong>TOWN LOSES WITH NIGHT KILL</strong></p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 6/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 6/10 <strong>TOWN LOSES REGARDLESS OF NIGHT KILL</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>If there are five scum among the 15 of us:</strong></p><p> </p><p> *successful mafia lynch = 4/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 1/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 1/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 2/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 2/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 4/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 4/10 </p><p> </p><p> *unsuccessful mafia lynch = 5/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 2/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 2/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 4/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 4/10 </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 5/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 5/10 <strong>TOWN LOSES WITH NIGHT KILL</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>If there are four scum among the 15 of us:</strong></p><p> </p><p> *successful mafia lynch = 3/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 0/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 0/10 <strong>TOWN WINS REGARDLESS OF NIGHT KILL</strong></p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 1/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 1/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 2/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 2/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10 </p><p> </p><p> *unsuccessful mafia lynch = 4/14. </p><p> </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 3 mafia - 1/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 1/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 2 mafia - 2/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 2/10</p><p> DJ triple kill hits 1 mafia - 3/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 3/10 </p><p> DJ triple kill hits 0 mafia - 4/11 - 1 townie (potential night kill) = 4/10</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So you are the recruiter? <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Sweet Spartan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You only feel I'm scummy because I am sus of you. That is bitterness.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Lukess, sometimes I feel like you're unfairly picked out for people trying to start arguments/fights.</p><p> </p><p> This is one of the times I feel like you brought it upon yourself. </p><p> </p><p> I do think you're town and I've been trying to start make a case for why I don't think you're the right direction to go. And then I see you do something like this, where I feel like you kind of picked a fight with MLT for not much reason.</p><p> </p><p> Do you understand why people would that is suspicious/scummy? It isn't innocent until proven guilty, it's guilty until proven innocent in mafia. MLT has a fair case to make and she's making it. It's on you to defend yourself but not just call her sus and leave it at that. Acting defensive/shady when people are already eye'ing you isn't going to put you in anyone's favors.</p><p> </p><p> I really don't think you're scum but I'm not going to put my neck on the line for you if you're going to be starting fights rather than stating an actual case. We really can't afford a mislynch and I feel like you're going to drive us straight into one if you keep acting like this.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Sweet Spartan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BlueStar" data-cite="BlueStar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey, TSS...thoughts on this?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hey, I'm sorry, I was juggling the math and then the Lukess/MLT thing. One sec, I'll read it over.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey, I'm sorry, I was juggling the math and then the Lukess/MLT thing. One sec, I'll read it over.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm claiming cult & scum are one team, based on the N0 write-up.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Sweet Spartan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BlueStar" data-cite="BlueStar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No worries. I'm (still) not sold on bak (and will probably be wrong) and see the N0 write-up.<p> </p><p> Any opinion about that?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Alright, so you're not sold on Bak as cult... even though Leion saw Bak visit Mich and saw himself as the well dressed man witnessing a "leader/first mate" style role being inducted into the cult?</p><p> </p><p> I'm not sure I can agree with that logic.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BlueStar" data-cite="BlueStar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>SO, train of thought....what is "cult" (Orange) and "scum" (Red) are operating as one unit? <p> </p><p> Anyone?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In past games, I don't recall text color necessarily correlating to someone's alignment. I feel like if cult/mafia were one unit, it'd just be a mafia with the ability to recruit. We've seen that in past games but it was never differentiated with a different alignment/color after flipping. I feel like if your logic was correct, IER would've just been red. </p><p> </p><p> Now if you're saying cult might still be able to win even if mafia wins, I don't think that would be out of the realm of possibility. I've never actually played a game with cult in it before, the only thing we have to go off in terms of cult win conditions is IER's word at this point.</p><p> </p><p> So truthfully, I'm not feeling your theory.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Sweet Spartan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BlueStar" data-cite="BlueStar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm claiming cult & scum are one team, based on the N0 write-up.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> OH.</p><p> </p><p> In the N0 writeup, I believe the cult are the young man and "hear here" guy. Mafia are the ones who kill scruffy.</p><p> </p><p> I think I get what you're saying now but I still disagree with your logic.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Sweet Spartan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Between the isos of all the dead players and everything since, I've been on mafia a lot today. Need a chance away but I'll be back tomorrow morning and see how conversation/voting/reads have developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I don’t think colors of text inherently mean they’re working together, it’s moreso to distinguish different voices in the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don’t think colors of text inherently mean they’re working together, it’s moreso to distinguish different voices in the scene.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What if you have a bunch of "redshirt" orangeshirts....</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don’t think colors of text inherently mean they’re working together, it’s moreso to distinguish different voices in the scene.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Could be. I'm offering this as others have brought up orange vs red (cult vs scum).</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 If I’m gonna be honest this seems like a ploy to throw the town off our game once we seemed to have figured out the mechanics finally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If I’m gonna be honest this seems like a ploy to throw the town off our game once we seemed to have figured out the mechanics finally</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You don’t buy the cult direction? Or that they are bad?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Opulent Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you had to pick one, Rev or Showtime?<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I would have to lean flipping Showtime first as my Rev read is mostly based on their interactions. I can’t get over that subtle slip by Showtime mentioning EP that appears to be glossed over. That just smelled like a lazy scum slip by chucking out names without basis or regard for the fact that he just died.</p><p> </p><p> However, Rev did jump on him quickly, and if Showtime was town I could see that being a push for a mislynch or wagon change to distance himself from our trajectory at the time.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Opulent Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 If Showtime flipped scum then we know we’re potentially dealing with scum having solid fake claims, or at least crew member titles handed to them. Would explain his confidence in jumping to that when he was briefly under pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Opulent Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BlueStar" data-cite="BlueStar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Let's also recall IER's claim...he said he needed the captain to be dead to win. A disgruntled crewmember would probably not have that win condition. That means Cult can communicate...(that has not always been the case in previous games from back in the dinosaur days). <p> </p><p> If we're gunning for the cult, lets go for the leader/recruiter.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I’ve never understood/supported this mentality and instantly makes me suss of Bluestar.</p><p> </p><p> I’m all for pressuring to try and find the leader, but if we do have a lesser cult member caught then there’s no sense taking a risk on someone we think might be a leader.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Two Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BlueStar" data-cite="BlueStar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm claiming cult & scum are one team, based on the N0 write-up.</div></blockquote><p> I think it's a mistake to get hung up on text colours in a writeup.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You don’t buy the cult direction? Or that they are bad?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cult and mafia being one team </p><p> </p><p> Why would the mafia need the captain dead before they can win?</p><p> </p><p> Why would the cult be able to recruit people into the ever growing mafia?</p><p> </p><p> Not to mention is really skews the numbers of the game</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Opulent" data-cite="Opulent" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If Showtime flipped scum then we know we’re potentially dealing with scum having solid fake claims, or at least crew member titles handed to them. Would explain his confidence in jumping to that when he was briefly under pressure</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What do you make of the (apparent) attempted recruitment of rev, to no success?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Opulent Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What do you make of the (apparent) attempted recruitment of rev, to no success?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Do you mind laying out mechanically what occurred? </p><p> </p><p> I was tired of being behind so I may have glossed over some details in an effort to speed read</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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