CornellVerse 2020

[leigh31]

With TEW 2020 around the corner, what would your hopes for the verse be? I think that TCW has run its course and should be shut down or merged with the SWF in a bid to challenge the giant in USPW. Or merged with USPW and renamed something less US named as I've always found it difficult to see them global with a national name.

What do you guys want?

[Tew101]

I am newer to C-verse as this is first year I played C-Verse. I think USPW will sign away Remo from SWF. Valiant may be signed away, but in 2020 he will be 40. I think SWF will be the company who falls the most. TCW has Wolf Hawkins waiting in the wings to replace Rocky Golden who will be in twilight of his career by 2020. PSW is my company that I play as mostly(I change the product to TCW like). I think they'll either die or prosper as their stars will be retired by then, and this could lead to youth movement or death.

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="leigh31" data-cite="leigh31" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>With TEW 2020 around the corner, what would your hopes for the verse be? I think that TCW has run its course and should be shut down or merged with the SWF in a bid to challenge the giant in USPW. Or merged with USPW and renamed something less US named as I've always found it difficult to see them global with a national name.<p> What do you guys want?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Expect TCW to be Cult with almost no money and only Golden left. I expect SWF to have gotten desperate and changed their product to something much edgier and more modern to compete with USPW turning the book over to Vilbert, who are rising to take on the milktoast superpower. </p><p> </p><p> I expect Invincible Pro to be regional and honing a product that can expand out of California and is leaving Grimm's one-dimensional product behind. </p><p> </p><p> I expect PSW to fold</p><p> </p><p> I expect AAA and QAW to both be regional.</p><p> </p><p> In Canada, I expect CGC to close, and the DeColts in NotBW locked in a Freebirds vs. Von Erichs style storyline that will cement NotBW as soulless A* machines for the foreseeable future. I expect 4C to grow to Cult and break away from the CotT. </p><p> </p><p> In Mexico, I expect Champagne Lover to be the biggest star in the history of wrestling, leading SotBW to National. </p><p> </p><p> In England, 21CW begins a European expansion. </p><p> </p><p> In Japan, BHWGs western move has worked, PGHW has fallen to Cult, as they pick up a number of Western stars from TCW and CGC that coupled with the fact they run more events and make more money re-invigorate their product.</p><p> </p><p> That's what I expect: What I hope, is that there's something really earthshaking happens in Europe, maybe a Brexit like a thing that spurs a European Wrestling boom, led by a new promotion.</p>

[BrokenCycle]

<p>The game has been rebuilt from the ground up, so I'm really expecting some massive changes to the Cornellverse. It's just got to. If the game needs to be released in the summer instead of Christmas, so be it. </p><p> </p><p>

Pretty much every major Cornellverse character from 2004 has to be put out to pasture. You could have a couple of them for like a current Undertaker story, but the database for 2016 is pretty bad. Every game was basically a dice roll for Time Decline, and every top promotion plays out the same: Replace your old stars with new ones. It's just not particularly fun.</p>

[Tew101]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The game has been rebuilt from the ground up, so I'm really expecting some massive changes to the Cornellverse. It's just got to. If the game needs to be released in the summer instead of Christmas, so be it. <p> </p><p> Pretty much every major Cornellverse character from 2004 has to be put out to pasture. You could have a couple of them for like a current Undertaker story, but the database for 2016 is pretty bad. Every game was basically a dice roll for Time Decline, and every top promotion plays out the same: Replace your old stars with new ones. It's just not particularly fun.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Aaron Andrews and Wolf Hawkins are the only two guys who will be top stars that wont be over or close to 40 years old by 2020. I don't like how top guys linger around in the game. Champagne Lover for me was around 10 years in with about 0 stamina for example.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tew101" data-cite="Tew101" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Aaron Andrews and Wolf Hawkins are the only two guys who will be top stars that wont be over or close to 40 years old by 2020. I don't like how top guys linger around in the game. Champagne Lover for me was around 10 years in with about 0 stamina for example.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Have you looked around wrestling lately? 36-44 is the peak of a wrestler's career. Boot up a RW mod and take a peak.</p>

[Tew101]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makhai" data-cite="Makhai" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Have you looked around wrestling lately? 36-44 is the peak of a wrestler's career. Boot up a RW mod and take a peak.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> I don't disagree. The game starts a steep decline around that age though. The prime of a most guys are typically the early 30's in the game.</p>

[BrokenCycle]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makhai" data-cite="Makhai" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Have you looked around wrestling lately? 36-44 is the peak of a wrestler's career. Boot up a RW mod and take a peak.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> 44 is really, really pushing it. I'm with you that a wrestler can still go in their late 30s-ish, but don't allow a couple outliers, and the fact that there's a ton of old people wrestling still currently, influence your opinions about this. </p><p> </p><p> The time decline age in TEW is fairly accurate, and there's tons of big stars in that range just looking at the 2016 database.</p>

[brianc2008]

<p>I think SWF will have taken a step or two back. One due to the investigation which will succeed to a point and the other due to a split between the two Eisen sons (Richard is retired now).</p><p> </p><p>

USPW is dominating, but I think they will have large problems much like WCW at the height of their powers. Bad backstage, creative control, it's gonna be a mess.</p><p> </p><p>

TCW will probably be on the way back up. Perhaps landing a hot new name or two that takes things up for them (KC Glenn?).</p><p> </p><p>

USPW and TCW will both gain developmental companies as things might be headed for another war.</p><p> </p><p>

I think NYCW is gone as is Grimm So-Cal Wrestling. I do think some new companies may pop up including </p><p> </p><p>

In Canada, NotBW is still on top with 4C rising and CGC falling.</p><p> </p><p>

In Mexico, Champagne Lover quits wrestling to do acting full time and it's a mad scramble to the top.</p><p> </p><p>

One Japanese company places a development company in Hawaii, perhaps BHWG.</p><p> </p><p>

RAW still leads in Australia.</p><p> </p><p>

I do expect an influx of new companies popping up including one in the US that sounds and feels like All Elite Wrestling, some challengers for 21CW in England including one by the Cornells, a third option in Australia that more or less replaces the Comedian's promotion, and some fresh blood in Europe and India.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>44 is really, really pushing it. I'm with you that a wrestler can still go in their late 30s-ish, but don't allow a couple outliers, and the fact that there's a ton of old people wrestling still currently, influence your opinions about this. <p> </p><p> The time decline age in TEW is fairly accurate, and there's tons of big stars in that range just looking at the 2016 database.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ready to have your mind blown? Here is the top-20 from the Power 500 from 2018 in RW Chronicles with their ages.(I'm in September so might be a year off) This generation of wrestlers are eating healthy and taking better care of themselves, and 50 is the new 40.</p><p> </p><p> #1 - Tanahashi - 42</p><p> #2 - Omega - 36</p><p> #3 - AJ Styles - 42</p><p> #4 - Okada - 31</p><p> #5 - Cena - 42</p><p> #6 - Rollins - 34</p><p> #7 - Nakamura - 39</p><p> #8 - Naito - 37</p><p> #9 - Jericho - 48</p><p> #10 - Bryan - 38</p><p> #11 - Rey Mysterio - 44</p><p> #12 - Balor - 38</p><p> #13 - HHH - 50</p><p> #14 - Owens - 35</p><p> #15 - Ultimo Guerrero - 47</p><p> $16 - Almas - 29</p><p> #17 - Orton - 39</p><p> #18 - Del Rio - 42</p><p> #19 - Daniels -48</p><p> #20 - Hennigan - 39</p>

[BrokenCycle]

My mind isn't blown. That took a lot of effort to track people's ages for not much of a point based in reality.

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My mind isn't blown. That took a lot of effort to track people's ages for not much of a point based in reality.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Average age? 40. The C-verse should be hitting it's peak in 2020.</p>

[BrokenCycle]

<p>If you're saying that the database is fine because the game doesn't simulate time decline very well and all the 45 year olds still produce great ratings, then fine. But if you're arguing that 45 is the new 25 in REAL LIFE because a text simulation crunched some numbers, then I just don't understand that one. </p><p> </p><p>

I realize now that you might be saying the former, but I'm just not too sure.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you're saying that the database is fine because the game doesn't simulate time decline very well and all the 45 year olds still produce great ratings, then fine. But if you're arguing that 45 is the new 25 in REAL LIFE because a text simulation crunched some numbers, then I just don't understand that one. <p> </p><p> I realize now that you might be saying the former, but I'm just not too sure.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The C-verse is an alternate universe that's based on reality. I don't care what metric you use. Pretty much all of the most over, best working guys all around the world are in their 40s right now. It would only make sense for time decline and the C-verse to represent this.</p>

[Tew101]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brianc2008" data-cite="brianc2008" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think SWF will have taken a step or two back. One due to the investigation which will succeed to a point and the other due to a split between the two Eisen sons (Richard is retired now).<p> </p><p> USPW is dominating, but I think they will have large problems much like WCW at the height of their powers. Bad backstage, creative control, it's gonna be a mess.</p><p> </p><p> TCW will probably be on the way back up. Perhaps landing a hot new name or two that takes things up for them (KC Glenn?).</p><p> </p><p> USPW and TCW will both gain developmental companies as things might be headed for another war.</p><p> </p><p> I think NYCW is gone as is Grimm So-Cal Wrestling. I do think some new companies may pop up including </p><p> </p><p> In Mexico, Champagne Lover quits wrestling to do acting full time and it's a mad scramble to the top.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I do expect an influx of new companies popping up including one in the US that sounds and feels like All Elite Wrestling, some challengers for 21CW in England including one by the Cornells, a third option in Australia that more or less replaces the Comedian's promotion, and some fresh blood in Europe and India.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Isnt NYCW in that alliance with MAW among others? I see PSW dying out and NYCW lasting. I think one of the two will still be around at least.</p>

[BrokenCycle]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makhai" data-cite="Makhai" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The C-verse is an alternate universe that's based on reality. I don't care what metric you use. Pretty much all of the most over, best working guys all around the world are in their 40s right now. It would only make sense for time decline and the C-verse to represent this.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt, but yeah, you're mental. That's just not true at all (the early to mid 40s part), and I don't want to argue this any longer.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt, but yeah, you're mental. That's just not true at all (the early to mid 40s part), and I don't want to argue this any longer.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cuz you're wrong, and you know it. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Derek B]

Play nice, I hate removing posts and dishing out warnings so keep things civil. Agree to disagree if necessary. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Croquemitaine]

<p>I see both sides of the time-decline issue. On the one hand, I think the range where time-decline kicks in in TEW is about right. On the other hand, it's true that a number of real-life wrestlers are continuing to perform at a high level into their 40's.</p><p> </p><p>

Perhaps what's needed is a mechanic that allows particularly athletic and Driven* wrestlers to slow down the decline rate for a few years. Only to a point though. Just because some real-life wrestlers are doing excellent matches at 44+ doesn't mean they're still at their physical peak.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

* or whatever the equivalent to the Driven personality trait is in the new system</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Play nice, I hate removing posts and dishing out warnings so keep things civil. Agree to disagree if necessary. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Warning for what exactly? I mean if he responded angerly and this cycled into a giant flame war with insults and stuff sure. But we're about 5 steps from that and it was over. Having been on forums and moderated many places over the last 20 years. This post is the one that leads to the flame war about ban-hammers and stuff. Comes off very power abusive.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Croquemitaine" data-cite="Croquemitaine" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I see both sides of the time-decline issue. On the one hand, I think the range where time-decline kicks in in TEW is about right. On the other hand, it's true that a number of real-life wrestlers are continuing to perform at a high level into their 40's.<p> </p><p> Perhaps what's needed is a mechanic that allows particularly athletic and Driven* wrestlers to slow down the decline rate for a few years. Only to a point though. Just because some real-life wrestlers are doing excellent matches at 44+ doesn't mean they're still at their physical peak.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> * or whatever the equivalent to the Driven personality trait is in the new system</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I would agree with this completely. Chris Jericho is a perfect example. He came in as a flyer, and he's going to leave a high-intensity brawler. Over time people reinvent themselves, the problem is Time Decline doesn't discriminate. It just actives and they just drop dead at some point, which shouldn't happen to guys who are 29 like it does sometimes. People haven't even entered wrestling at 29 in a lot of cases. But then again, guys like LA Parka and Atlantis, Liger and Daniels can just go pretty much the same for 30 years.</p>

[Derek B]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makhai" data-cite="Makhai" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Warning for what exactly? I mean if he responded angerly and this cycled into a giant flame war with insults and stuff sure. But we're about 5 steps from that and it was over. Having been on forums and moderated many places over the last 20 years. This post is the one that leads to the flame war about ban-hammers and stuff. Comes off very power abusive.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Given what happened a few months ago, and the years leading up to that where we (the mods) didn't step in early enough, it's policy to step in early to make sure things don't escalate. Given that it was verging on insults and the tone was definitely moving towards deliberately baiting each other, I stepped in.</p><p> </p><p> You are welcome to disagree, but moderation is going to be a bit more strict for a while to avoid a repeat of what has happened before. After all, if you don't learn from history you are destined to repeat it. No one wants that.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Given what happened a few months ago, and the years leading up to that where we (the mods) didn't step in early enough, it's policy to step in early to make sure things don't escalate. Given that it was verging on insults and the tone was definitely moving towards deliberately baiting each other, I stepped in.<p> </p><p> You are welcome to disagree, but moderation is going to be a bit more strict for a while to avoid a repeat of what has happened before. After all, if you don't learn from history you are destined to repeat it. No one wants that.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> AWWWWW you mean I missed a good one. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Derek B]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makhai" data-cite="Makhai" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>AWWWWW you mean I missed a good one. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If you like drama... yes. It was rubbish for everyone involved, no matter your opinions on things. It won't be allowed to happen again, and without going into any more detail, I hope you understand why things won't be allowed to go down a potentially dramatic path again in future. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Kiheiji]

Jericho and Daniels are bad examples, tbh.