CornellVerse 2020

[ChairToFace]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="HiPlus" data-cite="HiPlus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So I have a general question. I have heard the Operation Lullaby thing a few times but thought it was a joke. Is it an actual thing and whose bios mention it?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's an actual thing. I think there are supposed to be three agents, but I only know of two: Hal Harvard and Tex Tegan. As of 2016, Harvard is in MAW, while Tegan is in FCW. Harvard's gimmick is that of a rich snob, and Tegan's gimmick is a cowboy. </p><p> </p><p> It will certainly be interesting to see if they somehow make it to RIPW or SWF.</p>

[lavelleuk]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Steven James" data-cite="Steven James" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's an actual thing. I think there are supposed to be three agents, but I only know of two: Hal Harvard and Tex Tegan. As of 2016, Harvard is in MAW, while Tegan is in FCW. Harvard's gimmick is that of a rich snob, and Tegan's gimmick is a cowboy. <p> </p><p> It will certainly be interesting to see if they somehow make it to RIPW or SWF.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There's the female agent too but don't know her name off the top of my head</p>

[a0161613]

Eve Runcord

[Matt_Black]

In QAW, to be specific.

[ChairToFace]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="a0161613" data-cite="a0161613" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Eve Runcord</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So that's the third agent. I never thought about it being a woman, mostly because they were trying to infiltrate SWF, which has no women's division. </p><p> </p><p> If SWF launches a women's division, it'll probably be sexualized, like how BSC was. Would be interesting if Honey Golightly was brought back to be the authority figure of the division, or if they launched BSC as a second/third brand for the women in SWF.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Steven James" data-cite="Steven James" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So that's the third agent. I never thought about it being a woman, mostly because they were trying to infiltrate SWF, which has no women's division. <p> </p><p> If SWF launches a women's division, it'll probably be sexualized, like how BSC was. Would be interesting if Honey Golightly was brought back to be the authority figure of the division, or if they launched BSC as a second/third brand for the women in SWF.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Eve Runcord makes absolutely no sense at all, and it's why I've always thought operation Lullaby was a Twin Peaks-style red herring and nothing real. Because no FBI office would authorize paying an agent on the off chance they'd start a women's division that EVEN IF THEY DID ADD IT, they'd never hire a plain jane like Eve Runcord. It's just completely insane you'd pick a blonde with big fake boobs or like a sex bomb actress with edgy mic skills. Someone Eisen would hire to play a manager.</p>

[ChairToFace]

Eve Runcord makes absolutely no sense at all, and it's why I've always thought operation Lullaby was a Twin Peaks-style red herring and nothing real. Because no FBI office would authorize paying an agent on the off chance they'd start a women's division that EVEN IF THEY DID ADD IT, they'd never hire a plain jane like Eve Runcord. It's just completely insane you'd pick a blonde with big fake boobs or like a sex bomb actress with edgy mic skills. Someone Eisen would hire to play a manager.

 

Or just hire somebody on the inside. If Eric ever became unhappy about Jerry getting the company and booking spot when Richard is gone, who knows what he'd do.

[cappyboy]

Eve Runcord makes absolutely no sense at all, and it's why I've always thought operation Lullaby was a Twin Peaks-style red herring and nothing real. Because no FBI office would authorize paying an agent on the off chance they'd start a women's division that EVEN IF THEY DID ADD IT, they'd never hire a plain jane like Eve Runcord. It's just completely insane you'd pick a blonde with big fake boobs or like a sex bomb actress with edgy mic skills. Someone Eisen would hire to play a manager.

 

Three thoughts come to mind when it comes to the selection of Runcord for Operation Lullaby.

 

1: I have a hard time believing whoever's in charge if the imaginary FBI really understands the industry that well, Only Tagan really looks the part if you think about it. Renluenn looks more like a movie or TV show's idea of a wrestler than anybody an Eisen/McMahon type would want.

 

2: I haven't read the profiles in a while. But I always understood the three were chosen based on their fighting prowess. Not realizing how important personality would be for the goal the Bureau had set for them. Or sex appeal in Runcord's case.

 

3: I don't think the FBI would really care how highly the agents got pushed so long as they were on the roster. Heck, Renluenn and Runcord ending up jobbers might suit them because it would keep them from being suspected as moles.

[Matt_Black]

Not positive, but I'm fair sure Eve has at least a C+ Sex Appeal rating, which is usually good enough for Eye Candy matches.

[combolock]

<p>Can anybody fill me in on this:</p><p> </p><p>

Have the "yet to open" companies ever debuted in the next game in the series or are the new companies in the next game going to be completely different?</p><p> </p><p>

One of the companies I found interesting was Wrestling Premeir League, a Texas ( Mid South) based promotion.</p><p> </p><p>

They have base popularity of 35 in Mid South so seem to be in a good spot, and with USPW becoming a global company ( less events in the geographical area) maybe opens the door to a medium sized company in the Southern US.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not positive, but I'm fair sure Eve has at least a C+ Sex Appeal rating, which is usually good enough for Eye Candy matches.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> SWF has the pick of the litter and I'm fairly sure they'd convert managers on the roster to workers and do the diva search gag if they actually did this full-throated. Which means C+ is just that, Anything sub B isn't getting in the door at SWF. AAA sure, but not SWF. Just go into the game and filter by females with great sex appeal that will work in the US. She's not anywhere on the board and the list of girls, is LONG.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="combolock" data-cite="combolock" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can anybody fill me in on this:<p> </p><p> Have the "yet to open" companies ever debuted in the next game in the series or are the new companies in the next game going to be completely different?</p><p> </p><p> One of the companies I found interesting was Wrestling Premeir League, a Texas ( Mid South) based promotion.</p><p> </p><p> They have base popularity of 35 in Mid South so seem to be in a good spot, and with USPW becoming a global company ( less events in the geographical area) maybe opens the door to a medium sized company in the Southern US.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I always view the C-Verse US market as extraordinarily saturated, but I have a feeling TCW may be headed north of the border, so to speak, so maybe that frees up cutting edge products like CZCW and IPW to grow and lets a Texas-based product have a niche to fill. I definitely think the C-Verse could use a Georgia style wrestling company, as I view MAW as much more of a Mid-South style product, but with it so loaded right now, and the national and regional battles so heated that I always rule out additions.</p><p> </p><p> The new regions and features I think could open up some interesting things, so we'll see.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Three thoughts come to mind when it comes to the selection of Runcord for Operation Lullaby.<p> </p><p> 1: I have a hard time believing whoever's in charge if the imaginary FBI really understands the industry that well, Only Tagan really looks the part if you think about it. Renluenn looks more like a movie or TV show's idea of a wrestler than anybody an Eisen/McMahon type would want.</p><p> </p><p> 2: I haven't read the profiles in a while. But I always understood the three were chosen based on their fighting prowess. Not realizing how important personality would be for the goal the Bureau had set for them. Or sex appeal in Runcord's case.</p><p> </p><p> 3: I don't think the FBI would really care how highly the agents got pushed so long as they were on the roster. Heck, Renluenn and Runcord ending up jobbers might suit them because it would keep them from being suspected as moles.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Operation Lullaby is like a recurring gag on The C-Verse that I hope never gets finished. They keep trying despite the operation not even being well thought. It would suck if it actually came to an end, successful or not. And what's with some people wanting Eisen to go to jail? <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Or thinking Jerry would be the one taking over? I expect good things for SWF in 2020. Obviously Richard won't last forever, but I still see him doing one more run with the company at the top spot and then leaving the company to his children.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels" data-cite="shawn michaels" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Operation Lullaby is like a recurring gag on The C-Verse that I hope never gets finished. They keep trying despite the operation not even being well thought. It would suck if it actually came to an end, successful or not. And what's with some people wanting Eisen to go to jail? <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Or thinking Jerry would be the one taking over? I expect good things for SWF in 2020. Obviously Richard won't last forever, but I still see him doing one more run with the company at the top spot and then leaving the company to his children.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Eisen always struck me as Vince Sr. and Jr. merged together in this universe. And with the evolution of Eric from babyfaced flyer who's just happy to be a wrestler into fully despised and turned on 2002-08 HHH, it's clear to me that he's going to play politics and get dirty about it. It doesn't say this anywhere, but I've always seen the Michaels scapegoating as Eric bumping him out to steal the book because he wants the yard and he's the biggest alpha of the two boys. Richard isn't going to give his company over to a guy like Jerry, just like McMahon isn't giving the WWE to Shane.</p><p> </p><p> I mean no-way the boys in SWF want Eric to have the book right now. That shows me that it was Richard's decision, and what is Eric going to do with that book? Look at his booking and owner skills, he's going to put himself over, they are going to lose more top-guys like Skull and the entertainer types, but siphon off TCW guys like RDJ who are past it, but are willing to job clean and are over enough for it not to matter.</p><p> </p><p> That's how I see it.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makhai" data-cite="Makhai" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Eisen always struck me as Vince Sr. and Jr. merged together in this universe. And with the evolution of Eric from babyfaced flyer who's just happy to be a wrestler into fully despised and turned on 2002-08 HHH, it's clear to me that he's going to play politics and get dirty about it. It doesn't say this anywhere, but I've always seen the Michaels scapegoating as Eric bumping him out to steal the book because he wants the yard and he's the biggest alpha of the two boys. Richard isn't going to give his company over to a guy like Jerry, just like McMahon isn't giving the WWE to Shane.<p> </p><p> I mean no-way the boys in SWF want Eric to have the book right now. That shows me that it was Richard's decision, and what is Eric going to do with that book? Look at his booking and owner skills, he's going to put himself over, they are going to lose more top-guys like Skull and the entertainer types, but siphon off TCW guys like RDJ who are past it, but are willing to job clean and are over enough for it not to matter.</p><p> </p><p> That's how I see it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's a very grim prediction. I like your comparison, but I would see Eric more as the savior. After his reign of terror as a wrestler, he, as a wrestler/booker, would take the HHH approach and turn it into a well oiled and booked machine, like NXT. The possibilities are endless either way. Which makes the waiting cost more. <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[ChairToFace]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels" data-cite="shawn michaels" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's a very grim prediction. I like your comparison, but I would see Eric more as the savior. After his reign of terror as a wrestler, he, as a wrestler/booker, would take the HHH approach and turn it into a well oiled and booked machine, like NXT. The possibilities are endless either way. Which makes the waiting cost more. <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't see that happening. Eric is way to egocentric to put others over, let alone book them to be over him. I don't see him retiring soon. He'll probably keep wrestling, and if SWF loses more stars, he might be pushed to the moon. Plus, Eric has directly led to the departure of some SWF wrestlers, and I think he indirectly led to the Black Wednesday Betrayal, because he harassed some of the people who jumped ship to USPW. I'm not certain if that happened though.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Steven James" data-cite="Steven James" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't see that happening. Eric is way to egocentric to put others over, let alone book them to be over him. I don't see him retiring soon. He'll probably keep wrestling, and if SWF loses more stars, he might be pushed to the moon. Plus, Eric has directly led to the departure of some SWF wrestlers, and I think he indirectly led to the Black Wednesday Betrayal, because he harassed some of the people who jumped ship to USPW. I'm not certain if that happened though.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I actually think that's overblown, he doesn't have negative relationships with anybody and nobody has a negative relationship with him. Could be laziness on Adam's part, but I think he just got the book, and if you look he's not in any starting feuds and clearly is still getting his feet under him as a booker. The product is changing, but I don't think he's entirely put his stamp on it just yet.</p>

[Grand Avatar]

<p>Helikaon/KC Glenn has been on his excursion in Japan and has solidified himself as one of the best wrestlers in the world, ready to be courted back by North American companies who doubted him due to his lack of mic skills. </p><p> </p><p>

WINNOW is at war with 5SSW for supremacy in Women's Joshi.</p>

[Poet Justice]

I would love to see KC Glenn back in the US but 2016 is technically his debut in the game, given that he was only signed to MAW in 2013’s bonus 2014 roster update. I think he needs another few years at BHOTWG before he moves on

[ChairToFace]

I actually think that's overblown, he doesn't have negative relationships with anybody and nobody has a negative relationship with him. Could be laziness on Adam's part, but I think he just got the book, and if you look he's not in any starting feuds and clearly is still getting his feet under him as a booker. The product is changing, but I don't think he's entirely put his stamp on it just yet.

 

It's listed that he has a strong dislike of Texas Pete. Also, in his bio it says "it is rumoured that his continued push at the expense of others was one of the key reasons why Rich Money and Steve Frehley quit the company in 2014.", so he indirectly caused to the Black Wednesday Betrayal because of his regular main event push pushing others out the main event scene.

[Makhai]

It's listed that he has a strong dislike of Texas Pete. Also, in his bio it says "it is rumoured that his continued push at the expense of others was one of the key reasons why Rich Money and Steve Frehley quit the company in 2014.", so he indirectly caused to the Black Wednesday Betrayal because of his regular main event push pushing others out the main event scene.

 

Well, I meant as far as the stars go. Texas Pete is a drunk who he canned, so that makes 100% sense. Also, rumors are just that. People still think HHH has this mile long list of enemies, but he doesn't he's probably more respected than hated at this point because of how well he's booked NXT. I mean, he's wrestled the same match for 30 years and people are still sick of his crap but...

 

So I don't think the Black Wednesday Betrayal had much to do with Eric. I just think that's the smokescreen because the fans hate Eric, and don't want to eat crap like Steve Frehley did for taking better money elsewhere. He makes a very easy scapegoat, and honestly, that will probably be one of the major reasons he's going to be so insecure with his booking. The only man he can trust... is himself.

[Matt_Black]

Thinking about it more, I expect AAA's roster to be radically different. Even assuming that no one moves on to USPW or NOTBPW, there are quite a few people who will either have retired or are getting ready to. Heck, in 2016, the wrestlers who might hang it up in the first year include J-Ro, Cherry Bomb, Suzanne Brazzle, Demelza Wade, Jessica Bunny, and Steffi Chee. By 2020, others who will have reached that age include Ellie May Walton, Devil's Daughter, and Steph Blake. That's nearly a third of the starting 2016 roster.

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thinking about it more, I expect AAA's roster to be radically different. Even assuming that no one moves on to USPW or NOTBPW, there are quite a few people who will either have retired or are getting ready to. Heck, in 2016, the wrestlers who might hang it up in the first year include J-Ro, Cherry Bomb, Suzanne Brazzle, Demelza Wade, Jessica Bunny, and Steffi Chee. By 2020, others who will have reached that age include Ellie May Walton, Devil's Daughter, and Steph Blake. That's nearly a third of the starting 2016 roster.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If Adam lets J-Ro retire without ever reaching the show than I'm going to be very, very sad. She's been the best all-arounder in the game for 10 or so years and she's never done jack squat. She better be like 5 time SWF women's champ and not be sniffing time decline at 41. A Cindy Crawford/ Angela Basset that never ages a day in her whole life, and bosses til she's 50.</p>

[ElSheriffo]

<p>I play a lot of British RtG games and I'm intrigued how that scene will look. </p><p> </p><p>

Will 21CW have become the Tommy Cornell Show, with him probably entering time decline? Will some of their young upper midcarders like Wade Orson and War Machine have cemented themselves in the Main Event and will older veterans such as Dark Angel have moved down the card or retired? Will they have opened a development company to train up the endless supply of graduates who just clog up the undercard in current games?</p><p> </p><p>

Will SNP have used their cash injection narrative for good and actually tried to build up and become competitive and a viable alternative to 21CW or will Mark Carnie have been a true scumbag owner and pocketed the money and fled the country?</p><p> </p><p>

Will another company open to fill the ROF style void? Will a women's company open up or a women's division with an existing company?</p><p> </p><p>

And finally will we get an odd-ball stable of Brillant White, Notorious F.R.E.A.K and The Minor Annoyance or am I just going to have to keep creating that myself?</p>

[ChairToFace]

I play a lot of British RtG games and I'm intrigued how that scene will look.

 

Will 21CW have become the Tommy Cornell Show, with him probably entering time decline? Will some of their young upper midcarders like Wade Orson and War Machine have cemented themselves in the Main Event and will older veterans such as Dark Angel have moved down the card or retired? Will they have opened a development company to train up the endless supply of graduates who just clog up the undercard in current games?

 

I imagine that Cornell will still be on top of his game, even at the age of 41. He won't be improving, but he'll still be a great worker, even if someone else surpasses him as the best in the world. Cornell reminds me of Jericho, in that he never seems to get worse, even though he's nearing 50.

 

Also, with the new ability to play as child companies, I think Adam will be giving a number of promotions a child company. 21CW is in dire need a one. It's full of graduates from their National School of Wrestling, which is the only dojo in the game constantly producing new talent. So I can see him making one for them, and they'll put some of the graduates who are on the main roster into it, along with new graduates. I can see some of their graduates staying on the main roster, particularly War Machine, who I think could be the 21st Century World Champion by then, or he might be preparing to become the champion.