CornellVerse 2020

[AceCodey]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makhai" data-cite="Makhai" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I actually think that's overblown, he doesn't have negative relationships with anybody and nobody has a negative relationship with him. Could be laziness on Adam's part, but I think he just got the book, and if you look he's not in any starting feuds and clearly is still getting his feet under him as a booker. The product is changing, but I don't think he's entirely put his stamp on it just yet.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm confused by a few of your posts here tbh, Eric isn't and has never been the Head Booker of the SWF. That's Jerry.</p>

[BoredomTM]

<p>I'll be making a few predictions for at least american big three in the C-Verse</p><p> </p><p>

Let's start out with <strong>USPW</strong>.</p><p> </p><p>

They've seen exponential growth in every game, from starting off at Regional in 2005, growing to Cult in 2007/08, making it to National in 2010, surpassing TCW for the number 2 spot in 2013/14, and finally, taking the #1 spot in 2016. By 2020, their lead will have only grown with their now global coverage with Reverie, which can only mean one thing...</p><p> </p><p>

<span style="font-size:12px;"><strong>USPW IS DEAD!</strong></span></p><p> </p><p>

Due to a combination of factors which may or may not involve Reverie folding, cost cutting, or whatever, USPW will have folded by 2020. During the 4 year span, they've managed to snatch up names like Rocky Golden, Remo, and even Jack Bruce himself. In a weird turn of events, Tex Tagan is hired by USPW, and despite his goal being getting to SWF, he eventually uncovers a dramatic money laundering scheme within USPW and Reverie themselves, and they both are shut down by the government. Alternatively USPW overgrew the Earth itself and is now a interstellar wrestling promotion.</p><p> </p><p>

On the fallout of this, obviously a lot of guys from USPW are unemployed. Some, like James Justice and Tyson Baine, decide to retire. Some end up in SWF or TCW. Some go either sides of the border. And some end up in different promotions altogether.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>SWF</strong></p><p> </p><p>

SWF was still a constant target for USPW in their bidding wars during recent years. They lost Remo and Jack Bruce, for example, but after the closure of USPW, they've managed to acquire a few notable names for themselves, including a returning Remo, a retired Rich Money as their new commentator, and their new top face: Rocky Golden. Their top of the card is stronger than it was in 2016, for sure. They also signed Ross Henry in 2016, and he's been improving, becoming a notable force for them. Their main event consists of Angry Gilmore, Remo, Rocky Golden, Joey Morgan, Paul Huntingdon, Zimmy Bumfhole, and Jimmy Hernandez. Notable departures include Valiant, who left for USPW and then went north; Randy Bumfhole, who grew tired of not being pushed and left for TCW in 2017; Skull DeBones and Crippler who have since retired.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>TCW</strong></p><p> </p><p>

After a rough 2009-2015, things finally started looking better for Total after their purchase by BriCo. More money meant they were able to pay better contracts, but they still lost a few names to USPW during this period, including Rocky Golden and Aaron Andrews. They were still, however, able to sign Randy Bumfhole from SWF, who after being renamed, went on to become a World champion for them. After USPW's closure, they went on to sign Natural Storm, Trent Shaffer, Casey Valentine, and Steve Frehley, who being persona non grata in SWF, had to settle for TCW. Someone who really benefited from Rocky's departure was Wolf Hawkins, who turned face and went on to become TCW's ace. Their main eventer includes the aforementioned Wolf Hawkins, a returning Aaron Andrews, Steve Frehley, Randy Bumfhole, Jay Chord, Mighty Mo, and surprisingly, Bryan Vessey, who went the Minoru Suzuki route and is in the best run of his career at 48. Notable departures include Rocky Golden, who left for USPW and then went to SWF; Sammy Bach, who went north after USPW's collapse; RDJ, who retired and is now their authority figure; Eddie Peak, who left for Japan.</p>

[ChairToFace]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BoredomTM" data-cite="BoredomTM" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'll be making a few predictions for at least american big three in the C-Verse<p> </p><p> Let's start out with <strong>USPW</strong>.</p><p> </p><p> They've seen exponential growth in every game, from starting off at Regional in 2005, growing to Cult in 2007/08, making it to National in 2010, surpassing TCW for the number 2 spot in 2013/14, and finally, taking the #1 spot in 2016. By 2020, their lead will have only grown with their now global coverage with Reverie, which can only mean one thing...</p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-size:12px;"><strong>USPW IS DEAD!</strong></span></p><p> </p><p> Due to a combination of factors which may or may not involve Reverie folding, cost cutting, or whatever, USPW will have folded by 2020. During the 4 year span, they've managed to snatch up names like Rocky Golden, Remo, and even Jack Bruce himself. In a weird turn of events, Tex Tagan is hired by USPW, and despite his goal being getting to SWF, he eventually uncovers a dramatic money laundering scheme within USPW and Reverie themselves, and they both are shut down by the government. Alternatively USPW overgrew the Earth itself and is now a interstellar wrestling promotion.</p><p> </p><p> On the fallout of this, obviously a lot of guys from USPW are unemployed. Some, like James Justice and Tyson Baine, decide to retire. Some end up in SWF or TCW. Some go either sides of the border. And some end up in different promotions altogether.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>SWF</strong></p><p> </p><p> SWF was still a constant target for USPW in their bidding wars during recent years. They lost Remo and Jack Bruce, for example, but after the closure of USPW, they've managed to acquire a few notable names for themselves, including a returning Remo, a retired Rich Money as their new commentator, and their new top face: Rocky Golden. Their top of the card is stronger than it was in 2016, for sure. They also signed Ross Henry in 2016, and he's been improving, becoming a notable force for them. Their main event consists of Angry Gilmore, Remo, Rocky Golden, Joey Morgan, Paul Huntingdon, Zimmy Bumfhole, and Jimmy Hernandez. Notable departures include Valiant, who left for USPW and then went north; Randy Bumfhole, who grew tired of not being pushed and left for TCW in 2017; Skull DeBones and Crippler who have since retired.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>TCW</strong></p><p> </p><p> After a rough 2009-2015, things finally started looking better for Total after their purchase by BriCo. More money meant they were able to pay better contracts, but they still lost a few names to USPW during this period, including Rocky Golden and Aaron Andrews. They were still, however, able to sign Randy Bumfhole from SWF, who after being renamed, went on to become a World champion for them. After USPW's closure, they went on to sign Natural Storm, Trent Shaffer, Casey Valentine, and Steve Frehley, who being persona non grata in SWF, had to settle for TCW. Someone who really benefited from Rocky's departure was Wolf Hawkins, who turned face and went on to become TCW's ace. Their main eventer includes the aforementioned Wolf Hawkins, a returning Aaron Andrews, Steve Frehley, Randy Bumfhole, Jay Chord, Mighty Mo, and surprisingly, Bryan Vessey, who went the Minoru Suzuki route and is in the best run of his career at 48. Notable departures include Rocky Golden, who left for USPW and then went to SWF; Sammy Bach, who went north after USPW's collapse; RDJ, who retired and is now their authority figure; Eddie Peak, who left for Japan.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I have a feeling USPW will end up having problems similar to WCW in the late 90s. Following the retirement of Robbie Sanchez, Allen Packer decides to appoint some corporate figure who knows nothing about pro wrestling as the booker (think Jim Herd in the CVerse). Bad booking choices and disputes lead to some guys leaving, but the guys who stay are being paid an insane amount. All of this guaranteed money eventually hurts USPW, leading to them falling dramatically. Perhaps a steroid scandal will be uncovered (would explain the big guys on the roster), destroying the company.</p><p> </p><p> I think Operation Lullaby will either be in progress or will have already succeeded by 2020, and Richard Eisen could be in jail, or could go to jail during the game. I could see this going three ways. Jerry takes over the company, and Eric becomes the booker, but Eric makes a lot of bad booking choices and wants to push himself over everyone else. The fans and wrestlers hate this and SWF alienates a lot of people. Another possibility is that Jerry becomes the owner, but keeps the booking position. This enrages Eric, who leaves, takes a few SWF guys with him, and forms his own company to try and overcome SWF. In another crazy scenario, Eric leaves and buys CGC from the DeColt family, and tries to take over Canada, or buys EWA and tries to take over Europe. The third chance, is that Jerry tries running the company, but the mounting financial problems forces SWF to close. After a falling out, Jerry and Eric make two new cult sized companies, which go to war with each other.</p><p> </p><p> As for TCW, I see them succeeding in 2020. I know everyone thinks they'll die, which I don't see because they have all the ingredients to come out on top. Maybe I'm a little biased because they're my personal favorite, but I don't see them hurting to much in 2020. They've just been bought out by a large toy company, so TCW takes advantage of this. They have more money at their disposal, plus they don't pay nearly as much for merchandise, since BriCo handles all their toys. They also use great TV deals to make more money and increase their fanbase. They'll probably lose some people to retirement, and leaving (The Peak Brother's reunite in Japan, or maybe TCW and we get Peak Brother's vs New Wave), but overall, they don't lose their most major people, if anyone. I could see them taking some people from other companies. Perhaps Matthew Keith will go there after a successful run in Japan with BHOTWG (Maybe even winning the Burning World Championship).</p>

[FINisher]

<p>All I'm hoping is that WEXXV will be atleast Cult level. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

And yeah, I'd like a hardcore promotion in the US to do well aswell. I always played with DAVE from the get-go so I'd welcome a new well-to-do hardcore promotion in the states.</p>

[leigh31]

<p>Some very interesting points</p><p> </p><p>

Some very interesting points guys</p>

[ElSheriffo]

<p>I could see a small shift in regions popular product settings to mirror real life. Maybe we see modern products become popular or very popular across the world and we see some smaller companies rise because of it and see if any of the cult or larger companies adapt or struggle. </p><p> </p><p>

I'm interested what's big in India, do they have there own distinct style or will Sports Entertainment be king?</p>

[ChairToFace]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="FINisher" data-cite="FINisher" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>All I'm hoping is that WEXXV will be atleast Cult level. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> And yeah, I'd like a hardcore promotion in the US to do well aswell. I always played with DAVE from the get-go so I'd welcome a new well-to-do hardcore promotion in the states.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why not just have PSW and IPW merge to form the new DAVE?</p>

[TheMightyDontKneel]

<p>Edd Stone (eventually joined by Duane) and Huey Cannonball/Jefferson Stardust to both head to Japan after leaving their respective promotions, potentially to show the world that they are better than they've been given the chance to be.</p><p> </p><p>

The four return in 2020 to America, along with some friends they've made along the ways like KC Glenn, Jacob Jett and maybe a veteran or two like a recently released former SWF champion in Rogue (again going by his previous moniker of Jack Giedroyc) and a returned from hiatus Jack Bruce to form</p><p> </p><p>

TSW (Too Sweet Wrestling) </p><p> </p><p>

Funded by someone from the new Indian region and placed straight into a Tuesday night slot in America on prime time major network television for a 2 way face off with the SWF, TCW at cult level for the fans of work rate and USPW holding on every other month after its funding gets cut and it ends up on a network nobody can find. </p><p> </p><p>

Too on the nose?</p>

[DatIsraeliGuy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TheMightyDontKneel" data-cite="TheMightyDontKneel" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Edd Stone (eventually joined by Duane) and Huey Cannonball/Jefferson Stardust to both head to Japan after leaving their respective promotions, potentially to show the world that they are better than they've been given the chance to be.<p> </p><p> The four return in 2020 to America, along with some friends they've made along the ways like KC Glenn, Jacob Jett and maybe a veteran or two like a recently released former SWF champion in Rogue (again going by his previous moniker of Jack Giedroyc) and a returned from hiatus Jack Bruce to form</p><p> </p><p> TSW (Too Sweet Wrestling) </p><p> </p><p> Funded by someone from the new Indian region and placed straight into a Tuesday night slot in America on prime time major network television for a 2 way face off with the SWF, TCW at cult level for the fans of work rate and USPW holding on every other month after its funding gets cut and it ends up on a network nobody can find. </p><p> </p><p> Too on the nose?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> TCW is already the work horse company, plus another big American company? Too much, I'd prefer a huge revamp to Britain and Canada.</p><p> </p><p> Also, hopefully more Japanese companies go touring</p>

[TheMightyDontKneel]

<p>Absolutely was just a joke, I see Edd Stone as the Cody of the C-Verse these days and less Teddy Hart. Weirdly I actually see the Stones as a Rhodes/Windham hybrid but that may be sleep depraved. </p><p> </p><p>

I really do hope for a UK boost. SNP could be fun from a booker prospective if they keep growing but uoh have to deal with Mark being Mark. </p><p> </p><p>

I'm somewhat hoping for some Chikara style zanyness coming out of Wales or the Midlands. Maybe one of the ZEN guys comes over and a promotion opens from that, Wales would be great, a bunch of high fliers and huge valley beasts in a comic book battle of good and evil.</p>

[ChairToFace]

Absolutely was just a joke, I see Edd Stone as the Cody of the C-Verse these days and less Teddy Hart. Weirdly I actually see the Stones as a Rhodes/Windham hybrid but that may be sleep depraved.

I see the Stones as the Hart Family. I'm only thinking that because they're a large Canadian family, who are some of the best wrestlers in the world.

 

I think Edd will be back in Canada in 2020. Perhaps Duane Stone retires just as David Stone debuts to take the ropes. Edd returns in order to team with his nephew. Perhaps another Stone will debut (not Lucy Stone-McFly). Maybe Duane will have a son of his own debut.

[Matt_Black]

The Hollyweird Grappling Company will return! Sort of. BriCo wants a very cartoonish product for a toyline, while TCW wants a developmental company. So they bring back HGC as a separate brand and stick all the young indie workers there, give them outlandish gimmicks, and see who can work well despite the ridiculousness.

[ChairToFace]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46550" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Hollyweird Grappling Company will return! Sort of. BriCo wants a very cartoonish product for a toyline, while TCW wants a developmental company. So they bring back HGC as a separate brand and stick all the young indie workers there, give them outlandish gimmicks, and see who can work well despite the ridiculousness.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I feel like if that were going to happen, they would've done it right after they bought the company. Also, I don't think Cornell would've sold it to them if they were going to do that.</p>

[Self]

I see the Stones as the Hart Family. I'm only thinking that because they're a large Canadian family, who are some of the best wrestlers in the world.

 

They're the Harts, if all of the Harts were good.

 

I feel like the C-Verse has missed a trick not having a family run promotion where some of the family were just kind of okay. The Stones are all exceptional. The DeColts (the Von Erichs in my eyes) are amazing. Where are the Bruce Harts? Where are the Chris Von Erichs? Maybe I'm missing a big family in Japan/Mexico in the C-Verse. That feels like a fun challenge.

[Bigpapa42]

I see the Stones as the Hart Family. I'm only thinking that because they're a large Canadian family, who are some of the best wrestlers in the world.

 

To a degree. As Self point out, the entire Hart clan wasn't up to the standard set by Bret and Owen. And pretty much all of them, but especially Bret and Owen, were better characters/entertainers than the Stones are.

 

Beyond that, CGC is WAY closer to what Stampede Wrestling was in the 80s. They absolutely had some very good wrestlers and they put on some good matches, but they were very heavily character-driven. It was early Sports Entertainment. You had a manager doing a **** gimmick, an Elvis impersonator, and Jason the Terrible. The latter was a complete take-off of Jason from the Friday the 13th movies, complete with overalls, hockey mask, and a machete. Pre-80s Stampede was before my time and maybe they weren't as goofy with the characters. But prime era Stampede with the Hart sons definitely was.

[MightyDavidson]

To a degree. As Self point out, the entire Hart clan wasn't up to the standard set by Bret and Owen. And pretty much all of them, but especially Bret and Owen, were better characters/entertainers than the Stones are.

 

Beyond that, CGC is WAY closer to what Stampede Wrestling was in the 80s. They absolutely had some very good wrestlers and they put on some good matches, but they were very heavily character-driven. It was early Sports Entertainment. You had a manager doing a **** gimmick, an Elvis impersonator, and Jason the Terrible. The latter was a complete take-off of Jason from the Friday the 13th movies, complete with overalls, hockey mask, and a machete. Pre-80s Stampede was before my time and maybe they weren't as goofy with the characters. But prime era Stampede with the Hart sons definitely was.

 

No machete but he had the rest of the get up and I recall Owen Hart making reference to him carrying around an ax handle as a weapon. Jason the Terrible also wore a second mask under his hockey mask, in case it was removed.

[Bigpapa42]

No machete but he had the rest of the get up and I recall Owen Hart making reference to him carrying around an ax handle as a weapon. Jason the Terrible also wore a second mask under his hockey mask, in case it was removed.

 

He definitely carried around something shaped like a machete. Definitely could have been an axe handle. I don't recall if it was on TV, but I know when I saw him live in about 1986 at a house show, he had a weapon he carried around. He spent more time threatening the crowd with it than actually wrestling.

[Historian]

He definitely carried around something shaped like a machete. Definitely could have been an axe handle. I don't recall if it was on TV, but I know when I saw him live in about 1986 at a house show, he had a weapon he carried around. He spent more time threatening the crowd with it than actually wrestling.

 

I've actually always thought the Stones were a Canadian version of the Guerrero family. All of the Guerreros were excellent in ring wrestlers, but most weren't particularly good promos.

 

I agree about the point that CGC is more Stampede than NOTBPW, but I've always related the DeColt boys to the Von Erichs (as many have). Big, muscular heavyweights that are good entertainers and some can go in the ring, but all are brawlers.

 

The hard thing with the CVerse is there aren't, for the most part, exact equivalents. There are definite inspirations, but things don't always match up perfectly.

[MightyDavidson]

He definitely carried around something shaped like a machete. Definitely could have been an axe handle. I don't recall if it was on TV, but I know when I saw him live in about 1986 at a house show, he had a weapon he carried around. He spent more time threatening the crowd with it than actually wrestling.

 

Probably the axe handle then. I recall Stampede Wrestling firing Cpl Kirschner (though they called him Colonel Kirschner at the time) because he suggested he might bring an actual weapon to a no holds barred match, so I can't imagine them letting Jason the Terrible carry an actual weapon around.

[Bigpapa42]

I've actually always thought the Stones were a Canadian version of the Guerrero family. All of the Guerreros were excellent in ring wrestlers, but most weren't particularly good promos.

 

I agree about the point that CGC is more Stampede than NOTBPW, but I've always related the DeColt boys to the Von Erichs (as many have). Big, muscular heavyweights that are good entertainers and some can go in the ring, but all are brawlers.

 

The hard thing with the CVerse is there aren't, for the most part, exact equivalents. There are definite inspirations, but things don't always match up perfectly.

 

That's a good shout. Guerrero family is a nice connection.

 

And yeah, the DeColt's being similar to the Von Erich makes sense. And from what I know of WCCW, it was fairly entertainment based too.

 

These connections are definitely just for us. I really don't think Adam created them based on these connections lol

 

Probably the axe handle then. I recall Stampede Wrestling firing Cpl Kirschner (though they called him Colonel Kirschner at the time) because he suggested he might bring an actual weapon to a no holds barred match, so I can't imagine them letting Jason the Terrible carry an actual weapon around.

 

I remember it as a machete, but I was totally just a kid. I always just assumed it would have been blunt-edged, not actually sharp so not a true weapon. But an axe handle really does make more sense. I REALLY wish the WWE would put up some Stampede. It sucks to rely so much on memory from the TV shows I watched every week when I was under 10.

[Guest Asaemon]

I think that "The Supreme Star" Spencer Spade is still forgotten developement and that a Cult Entertainment promotion named EVAD is active in the Tri State area.

[ChairToFace]

I've actually always thought the Stones were a Canadian version of the Guerrero family. All of the Guerreros were excellent in ring wrestlers, but most weren't particularly good promos.

 

I usually think of The Monteros as The Guerrero family, or at least I like to think of Gino as Eddie. I've always wanted to put him in SWF and give him Eddie's gimmick and push.

 

I think that "The Supreme Star" Spencer Spade is still forgotten developement and that a Cult Entertainment promotion named EVAD is active in the Tri State area.

 

To me, Spade still sitting in developmental is just impossible. Him and a number of other main eventers in RIPW have been there for a while. Spade got there in 2010. I imagine that if him and the others are there any longer, they might chose to not renew their contracts and leave for companies that will actually push them. Perhaps Spade and Lassana go to TCW. Ekuma goes to USPW. Primus goes to CGC. Scythe should be on the SWF roster. His character really doesn't belong anywhere other than SWF, unless TCW or USPW decide they want to copy Skull DeBones with Scythe.

[DatIsraeliGuy]

I usually think of The Monteros as The Guerrero family, or at least I like to think of Gino as Eddie. I've always wanted to put him in SWF and give him Eddie's gimmick and push.

 

 

 

To me, Spade still sitting in developmental is just impossible. Him and a number of other main eventers in RIPW have been there for a while. Spade got there in 2010. I imagine that if him and the others are there any longer, they might chose to not renew their contracts and leave for companies that will actually push them. Perhaps Spade and Lassana go to TCW. Ekuma goes to USPW. Primus goes to CGC. Scythe should be on the SWF roster. His character really doesn't belong anywhere other than SWF, unless TCW or USPW decide they want to copy Skull DeBones with Scythe.

 

I think Asa was joking tbh.

 

Gino hopefully stays in OLLIE and becomes loyal to them.

[HiPlus]

I have been thinking about the CVerse idea and an idea that incorporates the new Child Company feature.

 

Now the initial idea is DIW gets acquired by RAW. Of course The Comedian wouldn't be keen on the idea, but reaching retirement, RAW make an offer that he can't just knock back as well as promising him a future TV Title reign as part of his new contract. For RAW it is introducing more edgy wrestlers to the RAW roster for the modern day fan base and getting a feeder company.

 

It would be great to see RAW forced with giving The Comedian a title shot/reign to see off his career. As well as RAW cleaning out DIW roster and introducing more rough youthful guys and getting rid of any bad eggs. (Looking at you Cesar). A fitting way for The Comedian to leave the business. Giving up a fight he did for so long, to become relevant in mainstream wrestling, if just for a moment than to have DIW die and be a footnote.

 

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Now realistically The Comedian would never do that and RAW would never offer that to DIW due to the stark differences in Product. However it would make sense for APW to be sold to RAW as a Child Company. J. J. McAllister (Is that his name not on PC) made APW to unite Australian Wrestling. It was unsuccessful due to the emergence of RAW. So it makes sense for him to cut his losses and sell the place. RAW would have no issues as the place is already a glorified breeding ground for its talent with picking up anyone of nkte. With somewhat similar products.

[20LEgend]

I think Sam Strong might be President