Green Caesar Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 [B][/B]Interesting article ranking all 119 programs over at [URL="http://cfn.scout.com/2/561285.html"]College Football News[/URL]. I am thinking over replacing the Prestige vaule in the pstats.dat file with the values from the CFN article. I like the more natural (less-paltooned) distribution of the values. [B]Default Values for Prestige[/B] [IMG]http://www.geocities.com/msugreen/default.JPG[/IMG] [B]College Football News Values[/B] [IMG]http://www.geocities.com/msugreen/CFN.JPG[/IMG] [COLOR="DarkGreen"][B]My Questions:[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="darkgreen"]Does anyone see any reason why these values wouldn't work? Can I enter in numbers with a decimal? Will it break the game? Anyone else interested in this? I can link my modified pstats.dat file.[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Caesar Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 [B]Info from the College Football News article:[/B] This was written before the season started [QUOTE]The Scoring System - Attendance. How much fan support is there? Obviously some stadiums are far bigger than others so this might not seem fair, but it's a good indication of interest in the program counting the average attendance for home dates from 2003 to 2005 and divided by 10,000 to get the score. For example, Iowa averaged 68,927 fans per game over the last three seasons, so the program gets a score of 6.89. Why this is important: Some stadiums are bigger than others and some teams get more support, but that's the point. It's a big deal to the bottom line of an athletic department, and the relevance of the football program to recruits and the national media, to get 100,000+ butts in the seats at places like Ohio State, Tennessee and Penn State. How can Eastern Michigan and its average of 11,000 fans per game compete when compared to Michigan and its average of 112,000 fans? Exactly. - APR. From the most recent batch of Academic Performance Rates available from the NCAA, if a program finished in the top 10%, it got a score of 10. If a program finished in the 40%-49% range, it got a score of 5. For example, Boise State's most recently released APR for football players was 60-70%, so it gets a score of 7. Why this is important: After all, these are supposed to be student-athletes out there playing. This is a good indicator for how much emphasis a program places on academics rather than simply using the football players for their on-the-field talents. - Wins over the last three years. The number of wins over Division-I teams a program has from 2003-2005 (wins over D-IAA teams aren't counted.) Why this is important: At the end of the day, this is all that really matters to college football fans. Winning games makes everything else forgivable. - Quality wins over the last three years. How many wins from 2003 to 2005 does a program have over Division-I teams that finished with a winning record? Why this is important: This goes to show the consistency of programs when compared to the above-average. Programs that consistently win these games are always in the hunt for conference titles and big bowl games. - Players drafted over the last three years. The number of players selected in the NFL Draft from 2003 to 2005 divided by two for the score. Why this is important: This is a bigger deal than you might think. If a blue-chip recruit is trying to decide between two schools, he'll most likely go to the one with the better track record of sending its players to the next level. If a big-time program has a low score, that might mean less emphasis is put on player development and readiness for the NFL. - Conference winning percentage over the last three years. From 2003 to 2005, this is what percentage of conference games has a team won. Conference championship games don't count in the conference winning percentages (those count in the total wins and, more often than not, in the Quality Win component.) Keep in mind that some programs switched leagues; that's taken into account. For the teams without a conference affiliation for a given year, their overall winning percentages were used. Why this is important: All teams shoot for conference titles first and foremost. BCS bowl games and national titles are great, but those require a certain amount of good fortune. Take care of conference play and everything else will fall into place. - Elite Wins. This is how many wins a program has from 2003 to 2005 over teams that finished a season with two losses or fewer, or wins on the road or in a bowl game over teams that finished with three losses or fewer. An extra 0.5 is added for an Elite Win on the road, but that doesn't get added for wins over teams with three losses. If a team beats a team that finished with three losses twice, it gets credit for two Elite Wins. For example, in 2004 Auburn beat Tennessee, who finished with three losses, twice last year and gets Elite credit for both wins. Why this is important: These are, more often than not, the types of wins that make good programs great, and are the wins the fans remember. - Bad Losses. These are the number of losses a program has from 2003 to 2005 against teams that finished a season with three wins or fewer. This number is subtracted from the overall score. An extra 0.5 is taken off a bad loss at home. Why this is important: Lose to a bad team and the win the week before gets quickly forgotten about. These are the losses that suck the life out of a team and a season. [/QUOTE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Caesar Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Example [QUOTE]50. Michigan State Score: 43.47 2005 Ranking: 54 2004 Ranking: 47 2003 Ranking: 49 Attendance Score - 7.39 APR Score - 3 Draft -7 Wins - 18 Quality Wins - 5 Elite Wins - 2 Bad Losses - 0 Conf. - 4.58 TOTAL - 43.47 Program Analysis: John L. Smith's program hasn't been sharp over the last two years going 1-7 past November 30th to blow shots at going to a bowl game. The Attendance Score is there, the Draft Score and Quality Wins aren't all that bad, and now the team has to start winning more. The APR is lousy, but the Elite Wins over Notre Dame last year and at Minnesota in 2003. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [/QUOTE] Quick Explanation of Scores - Attendance: Home attendance average over the last three years divided by 10,000. [COLOR="Red"][I]Avg. Score: 4.35[/I][/COLOR] - APR: The most recently released Academic Performance Rate. [COLOR="red"][I]Avg. Score: 5.45[/I][/COLOR] - Quality Wins: Wins over D-I teams that finished with a winning record. [COLOR="Red"][I]Avg. Score: 5.45[/I][/COLOR] - Total Wins: Wins over D-I teams. [COLOR="red"][I]Avg. Score: 17.02[/I][/COLOR] - Players Drafted: Number of players drafted divided by two. [COLOR="Red"][I]Avg. Score: 2.95[/I][/COLOR] - Conference Win %: Conference winning percentage times 10. [COLOR="red"][I]Avg. Score: 4.97[/I][/COLOR] - Elite Wins: Wins over D-I teams that finished with two losses or fewer, or on the road over teams that finished with three losses or fewer. Add an additional 0.5 for an Elite Win over a two-loss team on the road. [COLOR="red"][I]Avg. Score: 0.82[/I][/COLOR] - Bad Losses: Losses to teams that finished with four wins or fewer, or any loss to a non-D-I team. Subtract each loss from the overall total. Subtract an additional 0.5 for each bad loss at home. [COLOR="red"][I]Avg. Score: 1.2[/I][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I would be interested. I would like to see how this would work out (if the lower teams would be stuck, or the higher teams would have too much of an advantage). I think this would be plausable, and it would still be possible to bring up the prestige of lower teams. I started a team at 20 prestige and was able to bring them up into the 30s in less than 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Caesar Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 udlb58 - thanks for the reply I think I am going to test this out over the weekend. I will sim a good number of seasons and track the progress of prestige changes year-by-year. I, too, am curious to see if Buffalo's 4.18 prestige will doom them forever. :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I have started a career with Buffalo using these prestige ratings. So far through the first year we are surprisingly 6-3 with 3 games left, so it will be interesting to see how much the prestige changes after a successful year. Now 7-4, just lost a heartbreaker to Arkansas St. They returned a fumble 48 yds for a TD and got the 2 to go up by 7 with just under 5 min. left. We held onto the ball for the rest of the game. Had a 4th and 6 from their 8. Got 7 yards for the 1st, but ASU stopped us on the 1 yd line and we were not able to run another play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Finished the season 7-6 and 4th in the MAC. We lost to UConn as they scored the go ahead TD with less than 1 min left and then lost to TCU in the Las Vegas Bowl to finish out the year with 3 straight losses. It was a surprising year though as we beat the spread in 11 of our 13 games, we were favored against ASU and were 16 pt dogs to TCU and lost by 21. We did surprisingly well against TCU though. We took an early lead, had more yards, and it would have been a close game except for a 50 yd TD pass and an 81 yd punt return. I'll let you know how the prestige changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Prestige jumped up to 11 after the year, here's a screen shot. [url]http://udlb58.zoto.com/img/original/9a03c77cadea6cc773e3fdf875e82adb-.jpg[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Looks like the teams with extremely low prestige ratings get pretty high boosts, as the lowest prestige rating after the year was Temple with a 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Year 2, 5-7 (4-4) finishing 6th in the MAC. #89 in the CPU rankings with a SOS of 111 and a recruit class rank of 118. Prestige went up to 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Caesar Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 That's good stuff! I am hoping to do some simming today and tomorrow. We'll compare how Buffalo did in my sims. Are you actually controlling them or are you letting the CPU control them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Caesar Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Prestige scores after the 2006 season [CODE]SchoolName START Start* 2007 Change Buffalo 4.18 4 9.7 5.7 Temple 4.55 5 15.2 10.2 <-- Biggest Positive change (4-7 Record) San Jose State 6.22 6 11.1 5.1 Florida Int 7.83 8 11.4 3.4 New Mexico St 11.25 11 15.2 4.2 Idaho 12.64 13 15.5 2.5 Utah State 13.84 14 22.6 8.6 <-- 2nd Biggest Positive Change (5-6 Record) La-Monroe 13.85 14 16.6 2.6 E Michigan 14.28 14 16.1 2.1 Kent State 14.84 15 18.5 3.5 East Carolina 15.14 15 20 5 Middle Tenn St 15.84 16 17.7 1.7 Ohio 16.16 16 21.1 5.1 W Michigan 17.04 17 21.7 4.7 Army 17.09 17 20.9 3.9 Vanderbilt 17.18 17 20.4 3.4 Indiana 17.68 18 22 4 Louisiana-Laf 17.77 18 21.2 3.2 Illinois 17.83 18 22.5 4.5 Arizona 17.97 18 19.3 1.3 SMU 18.21 18 21.7 3.7 Miss State 18.3 18 22.8 4.8 Tulane 18.51 19 22.3 3.3 UNLV 19.07 19 23.3 4.3 Central Florida 19.39 19 20.2 1.2 Duke 19.75 20 23.3 3.3 C Michigan 20.24 20 22.6 2.6 Florida Atl 20.94 21 22.5 1.5 Kentucky 20.99 21 27.3 6.3 Rice 23.88 24 25.8 1.8 Baylor 23.98 24 28.1 4.1 Arkansas State 24.71 25 25.1 0.1 San Diego State 24.75 25 30.1 5.1 Wyoming 25.44 25 27.7 2.7 Ball State 25.85 26 26.2 0.2 Houston 26.52 27 30.1 3.1 Washington 27.28 27 30.5 3.5 Troy 28.27 28 27.8 -0.2 North Texas 28.45 28 27.8 -0.2 UTEP 30.64 31 30 -1 Cincinnati 31.1 31 32.4 1.4 Kansas 31.45 31 30 -1 Rutgers 31.55 32 31.1 -0.9 Alabama Birm 31.61 32 37.4 5.4 Iowa State 31.77 32 33.4 1.4 South Florida 31.93 32 31.1 -0.9 Louisiana Tech 32.97 33 34.8 1.8 Marshall 33.43 33 31.9 -1.1 Wake Forest 33.85 34 35.5 1.5 Air Force 33.87 34 37.4 3.4 Akron 35.65 36 43.8 7.8 <-- 3rd Biggest Positive change (12-1 Record) Hawaii 37.06 37 37.2 0.2 Nevada 37.15 37 38.7 1.7 North Carolina 37.21 37 35.7 -1.3 Brigham Young 37.39 37 38.3 1.3 Stanford 37.48 37 38 1 Syracuse 37.95 38 37.6 -0.4 Tulsa 37.96 38 36.4 -1.6 Oklahoma State 39.22 39 40.2 1.2 Colorado State 39.39 39 39.2 0.2 UConn 39.72 40 38.3 -1.7 Oregon State 40.32 40 40.5 0.5 Kansas State 41.62 42 44.4 2.4 South Carolina 42.12 42 42.4 0.4 New Mexico 42.56 43 44.8 1.8 Texas A&M 42.85 43 40.9 -2.1 <-- Biggest Negative Change (2-9 Record) Bowling Green 42.98 43 41.7 -1.3 Minnesota 43.19 43 47.2 4.2 Navy 43.4 43 47.2 4.2 Michigan State 43.47 43 45.6 2.6 Wash State 43.48 43 43.7 0.7 Arizona State 43.52 44 43.7 -0.3 Missouri 43.71 44 48.3 4.3 Arkansas 43.77 44 45 1 N Illinois 44.53 45 43.6 -1.4 Northwestern 44.82 45 43.7 -1.3 Purdue 45.09 45 45.7 0.7 Ole Miss 45.22 45 47.4 2.4 Oregon 45.47 45 47.3 2.3 NC State 45.58 46 46.1 0.1 Pittsburgh 46.2 46 46.4 0.4 Memphis 46.31 46 46.1 0.1 Colorado 46.57 47 45.6 -1.4 Toledo 47.26 47 46.9 -0.1 UCLA 47.88 48 53.5 5.5 Fresno State 49.01 49 49.1 0.1 Maryland 49.17 49 51.8 2.8 Alabama 50.29 50 51.6 1.6 Georgia Tech 50.96 51 52.5 1.5 Southern Miss 52.35 52 54.4 2.4 Texas Tech 52.86 53 56.3 3.3 Nebraska 53.26 53 55.5 2.5 Penn State 53.62 54 59.1 5.1 California 55.09 55 62.1 7.1 <-- 5th Biggest Positive change (11-1 Record) West Virginia 55 55 58.9 3.9 Clemson 56.69 57 64.2 7.2 <-- 4th Biggest Positive change (9-3 Record) Texas Christian 56.73 57 63.8 6.8 Virginia 57.1 57 61.7 4.7 Boston College 57.39 57 59.9 2.9 Miami (OH) 57.45 57 58.9 1.9 Notre Dame 57.64 58 61.3 3.3 Louisville 59.77 60 64.8 4.8 Utah 62.96 63 64.8 1.8 Boise State 63.04 63 66.5 3.5 Wisconsin 64.36 64 68 4 Florida 65.72 66 67.4 1.4 Tennessee 69.04 69 73 4 Virginia Tech 69.51 70 73.1 3.1 Iowa 71.48 71 75.5 4.5 Florida State 74.89 75 79.1 4.1 Auburn 76.31 76 78.2 2.2 Michigan 76.51 77 77.4 0.4 Ohio State 78.58 79 82.2 3.2 Georgia 80.06 80 81.5 1.5 Miami 80.81 81 83.7 2.7 Oklahoma 81.25 81 83.9 2.9 LSU 81.7 82 85.6 3.6 Texas 85.53 86 88 2 USC 90.02 90 91.2 1.2[/CODE] Schools are arranged by starting Prestige. I modified the pstats file with the CFN scores but when I checked at the beginning of the season, they had all been rounded [I](for example, Buffalo was rounded from 4.18 to 4)[/I] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Caesar Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 [B][SIZE="4"]Top 10 Recruiting Classes (2007)[/SIZE][/B] #1 Virginia Tech (73.1 Prestige - 12th) #2 Texas (88.0 Prestige - 2nd) #3 Iowa (75.5 Iowa - 11th) #4 Ohio State (82.2 Prestige - 6th) #5 Boise State (66.5 Prestige - 16th) #6 Florida State (79.1 Prestige - 8th) #7 USC (91.2 Prestige - 1st) #8 Georgia (81.5 Prestige - 7th) #9 California (62.1 Prestige - 21st) #10 Wisconsin (68.0 Prestige - 14th) NOTE: All but 3 of the Top 25 Prestige teams ranked in the Top 25 in Recruiting [LIST=1] [*]TCU [I]#20 Prestige/#27 Recruiting[/I] [*]Boston College [I]#24 Prestige/#28 Recruiting[/I] [*]Penn State [I]#25 Prestige/#34 Recruiting[/I] [/LIST] Curious to see if there is a connection to big gain in Prestige = immediate boost in Recruiting. Much like California experienced. Looking at the big gainers (and losers): Temple pulled in the #83 class Utah State pulled in the #119 class Akron pulled in the #38 class Clemson pulled in the #11 class Conversely, Texas A&M pulled in the #67 class Boost in Prestige didn't help Utah State at all. Looks like Wins still count for something. Akron going 12-1 helped them a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Caesar Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Prestige scores going into the 2008 season [CODE]SchoolName START Start* 2007 Change 2008 Change Buffalo 4.18 4 9.7 5.7 14.4 4.7 San Jose State 6.22 6 11.1 5.1 13.7 2.6 Florida Int 7.83 8 11.4 3.4 15.5 4.1 New Mexico St 11.25 11 15.2 4.2 17.0 1.8 Temple 4.55 5 15.2 10.2 18.9 3.7 Idaho 12.64 13 15.5 2.5 20.7 5.2 E Michigan 14.28 14 16.1 2.1 19.3 3.2 La-Monroe 13.85 14 16.6 2.6 18.2 1.6 Middle Tenn St 15.84 16 17.7 1.7 20.7 3.0 Kent State 14.84 15 18.5 3.5 21.3 2.8 Arizona 17.97 18 19.3 1.3 23.1 3.8 East Carolina 15.14 15 20 5 22.8 2.8 Central Florida 19.39 19 20.2 1.2 21.1 0.9 Vanderbilt 17.18 17 20.4 3.4 26.3 5.9 Army 17.09 17 20.9 3.9 22.0 1.1 Ohio 16.16 16 21.1 5.1 21.9 0.8 Louisiana-Laf 17.77 18 21.2 3.2 22.2 1.0 SMU 18.21 18 21.7 3.7 25.5 3.8 W Michigan 17.04 17 21.7 4.7 23.9 2.2 Indiana 17.68 18 22 4 25.7 3.7 Tulane 18.51 19 22.3 3.3 26.0 3.7 Florida Atl 20.94 21 22.5 1.5 24.9 2.4 Illinois 17.83 18 22.5 4.5 26.4 3.9 C Michigan 20.24 20 22.6 2.6 27.8 5.2 Utah State 13.84 14 22.6 8.6 24.7 2.1 Miss State 18.3 18 22.8 4.8 29.8 7.0 Duke 19.75 20 23.3 3.3 26.1 2.8 UNLV 19.07 19 23.3 4.3 25.3 2.0 Arkansas State 24.71 25 25.1 0.1 25.4 0.3 Rice 23.88 24 25.8 1.8 26.0 0.2 Ball State 25.85 26 26.2 0.2 26.3 0.1 Kentucky 20.99 21 27.3 6.3 32.0 4.7 Wyoming 25.44 25 27.7 2.7 29.7 2.0 North Texas 28.45 28 27.8 -0.2 27.7 -0.1 Troy 28.27 28 27.8 -0.2 29.2 1.4 Baylor 23.98 24 28.1 4.1 29.4 1.3 Kansas 31.45 31 30 -1 31.0 1.0 UTEP 30.64 31 30 -1 31.0 1.0 Houston 26.52 27 30.1 3.1 31.1 1.0 San Diego State 24.75 25 30.1 5.1 31.6 1.5 Washington 27.28 27 30.5 3.5 32.0 1.5 Rutgers 31.55 32 31.1 -0.9 30.4 -0.7 South Florida 31.93 32 31.1 -0.9 31.9 0.8 Marshall 33.43 33 31.9 -1.1 31.0 -0.9 Cincinnati 31.1 31 32.4 1.4 36.1 3.7 Iowa State 31.77 32 33.4 1.4 34.6 1.2 Louisiana Tech 32.97 33 34.8 1.8 33.4 -1.4 Wake Forest 33.85 34 35.5 1.5 37.5 2.0 North Carolina 37.21 37 35.7 -1.3 34.7 -1.0 Tulsa 37.96 38 36.4 -1.6 38.3 1.9 Hawaii 37.06 37 37.2 0.2 38.7 1.5 Air Force 33.87 34 37.4 3.4 39.1 1.7 Alabama Birm 31.61 32 37.4 5.4 35.5 -1.9 Syracuse 37.95 38 37.6 -0.4 39.1 1.5 Stanford 37.48 37 38 1 39.0 1.0 Brigham Young 37.39 37 38.3 1.3 41.3 3.0 UConn 39.72 40 38.3 -1.7 36.7 -1.6 Nevada 37.15 37 38.7 1.7 38.6 -0.1 Colorado State 39.39 39 39.2 0.2 43.7 4.5 Oklahoma State 39.22 39 40.2 1.2 38.5 -1.7 Oregon State 40.32 40 40.5 0.5 41.6 1.1 Texas A&M 42.85 43 40.9 -2.1 43.4 2.5 Bowling Green 42.98 43 41.7 -1.3 41.0 -0.7 South Carolina 42.12 42 42.4 0.4 47.2 4.8 N Illinois 44.53 45 43.6 -1.4 44.1 0.5 Arizona State 43.52 44 43.7 -0.3 49.7 6.0 Northwestern 44.82 45 43.7 -1.3 43.6 -0.1 Wash State 43.48 43 43.7 0.7 44.2 0.5 Akron 35.65 36 43.8 7.8 44.7 0.9 Kansas State 41.62 42 44.4 2.4 48.3 3.9 New Mexico 42.56 43 44.8 1.8 44.7 -0.1 Arkansas 43.77 44 45 1 45.6 0.6 Colorado 46.57 47 45.6 -1.4 50.0 4.4 Michigan State 43.47 43 45.6 2.6 45.9 0.3 Purdue 45.09 45 45.7 0.7 48.1 2.4 Memphis 46.31 46 46.1 0.1 49.7 3.6 NC State 45.58 46 46.1 0.1 46.8 0.7 Pittsburgh 46.2 46 46.4 0.4 45.5 -0.9 Toledo 47.26 47 46.9 -0.1 47.3 0.4 Minnesota 43.19 43 47.2 4.2 44.4 -2.8 Navy 43.4 43 47.2 4.2 45.4 -1.8 Oregon 45.47 45 47.3 2.3 51.1 3.8 Ole Miss 45.22 45 47.4 2.4 49.2 1.8 Missouri 43.71 44 48.3 4.3 46.4 -1.9 Fresno State 49.01 49 49.1 0.1 47.4 -1.7 Alabama 50.29 50 51.6 1.6 55.6 4.0 Maryland 49.17 49 51.8 2.8 50.9 -0.9 Georgia Tech 50.96 51 52.5 1.5 55.4 2.9 UCLA 47.88 48 53.5 5.5 55.9 2.4 Southern Miss 52.35 52 54.4 2.4 53.6 -0.8 Nebraska 53.26 53 55.5 2.5 57.8 2.3 Texas Tech 52.86 53 56.3 3.3 58.6 2.3 Miami (OH) 57.45 57 58.9 1.9 65.1 6.2 West Virginia 55 55 58.9 3.9 65.2 6.3 Penn State 53.62 54 59.1 5.1 59.0 -0.1 Boston College 57.39 57 59.9 2.9 63.6 3.7 Notre Dame 57.64 58 61.3 3.3 63.4 2.1 Virginia 57.1 57 61.7 4.7 66.1 4.4 California 55.09 55 62.1 7.1 64.5 2.4 Texas Christian 56.73 57 63.8 6.8 67.6 3.8 Clemson 56.69 57 64.2 7.2 68.4 4.2 Louisville 59.77 60 64.8 4.8 68.7 3.9 Utah 62.96 63 64.8 1.8 66.2 1.4 Boise State 63.04 63 66.5 3.5 70.4 3.9 Florida 65.72 66 67.4 1.4 68.6 1.2 Wisconsin 64.36 64 68 4 73.0 5.0 Tennessee 69.04 69 73 4 73.9 0.9 Virginia Tech 69.51 70 73.1 3.1 76.8 3.7 Iowa 71.48 71 75.5 4.5 77.8 2.3 Michigan 76.51 77 77.4 0.4 78.5 1.1 Auburn 76.31 76 78.2 2.2 81.2 3.0 Florida State 74.89 75 79.1 4.1 82.3 3.2 Georgia 80.06 80 81.5 1.5 84.3 2.8 Ohio State 78.58 79 82.2 3.2 84.9 2.7 Miami 80.81 81 83.7 2.7 85.2 1.5 Oklahoma 81.25 81 83.9 2.9 85.2 1.3 LSU 81.7 82 85.6 3.6 85.0 -0.6 Texas 85.53 86 88 2 90.5 2.5 USC 90.02 90 91.2 1.2 92.3 1.1 Teams Losing Prestige 18 21 Teams Gaining Prestige 101 98[/CODE] Biggest Gainers +7.0 Mississippi State (4-7) +6.3 West Virginia (11-1) +6.2 Miami-Ohio (13-1) +6.0 Arizona State (9-3) +5.9 Vanderbilt (4-7) Biggest Losers -2.8 Minnesota (1-10) -1.9 Missouri (3-8) -1.9 Alabama-Birmingham (4-7) -1.8 Navy (7-5) -1.7 Fresno State (8-4) -1.7 Oklahoma State (4-7) [B][SIZE="4"]Top 10 Recruiting Classes - 2008[/SIZE][/B] #1 Virginia Tech (#12 Prestige) #2 Utah (#20 Prestige) #3 Boise State (#15 Prestige) #4 Georgia (#7 Prestige) #5 West Virginia (#22 Prestige) #6 USC (#1 Prestige) #7 Oklahoma (#4 Prestige) #8 Louisville (#16 Prestige) #9 Wisconsin (#14 Prestige) #10 Iowa (#11 Prestige) [COLOR="Blue"]Top 25 Prestige teams not in Top 25 Recruiting [LIST=1] [*]Michigan [I]#10 Prestige/#43 Recruiting[/I] [*]California [I]#24 Prestige/#38 Recruiting[/I] [*]Boston College [I]#25 Prestige/#39 Recruiting[/I] [/LIST][/COLOR] Looking at the big gainers (and losers): [LIST] [*]Mississippi State (4-7) pulls in the #87 class [*]West Virginia (11-1) pulls in the #5 class [*]Miami-Ohio (13-1) pulls in the #15 class [*]Arizona State (9-3) pulls in the #108 class [*]Vanderbilt (4-7) pulls in the #66 class [/LIST] [I]Interesting about Arizona State. 9-3 record and still pulls in a lackluster class. Coach must not be a good recruiter.[/I] [LIST] [*]Minnesota (1-10) pulls in the #63 class [*]Missouri (3-8) pulls in the #29 class [*]Alabama-Birmingham (4-7) pulls in the #33 class [*]Navy (7-5) pulls in the #37 class [*]Fresno State (8-4) pulls in the #34 class [*]Oklahoma State (4-7) pulls in the #56 class [/LIST] [I]Very interesting. I can see Fresno State's good class. They did go 7-5. Alabama-Birmingham's I don't get. Nor do I get Missouri's.[/I] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Caesar Posted January 7, 2007 Author Share Posted January 7, 2007 Prestige scores going into the 2009 Season [I]Be sure to scroll to the right to see the 3-Year totals[/I] [CODE]SchoolName START Start* 2007 Change 2008 Change 2009 Change TOTAL Ave Air Force 33.87 34 37.4 3.4 39.1 1.7 38.9 -0.2 5.1 2.6 Akron 35.65 36 43.8 7.8 44.7 0.9 46.6 1.9 8.7 4.4 Alabama 50.29 50 51.6 1.6 55.6 4.0 56.2 0.6 5.6 2.8 Alabama Birm 31.61 32 37.4 5.4 35.5 -1.9 38 2.5 3.5 1.8 Arizona 17.97 18 19.3 1.3 23.1 3.8 25.9 2.8 5.1 2.6 Arizona State 43.52 44 43.7 -0.3 49.7 6.0 50.6 0.9 5.7 2.9 Arkansas 43.77 44 45 1 45.6 0.6 45 -0.6 1.6 0.8 Arkansas State 24.71 25 25.1 0.1 25.4 0.3 25.7 0.3 0.4 0.2 Army 17.09 17 20.9 3.9 22.0 1.1 25.3 3.3 5.0 2.5 Auburn 76.31 76 78.2 2.2 81.2 3.0 81.4 0.2 5.2 2.6 Ball State 25.85 26 26.2 0.2 26.3 0.1 28 1.7 0.3 0.2 Baylor 23.98 24 28.1 4.1 29.4 1.3 33.7 4.3 5.4 2.7 Boise State 63.04 63 66.5 3.5 70.4 3.9 72.8 2.4 7.4 3.7 Boston College 57.39 57 59.9 2.9 63.6 3.7 64.1 0.5 6.6 3.3 Bowling Green 42.98 43 41.7 -1.3 41.0 -0.7 40.6 -0.4 -2.0 -1.0 Brigham Young 37.39 37 38.3 1.3 41.3 3.0 41.8 0.5 4.3 2.2 Buffalo 4.18 4 9.7 5.7 14.4 4.7 18 3.6 10.4 5.2 California 55.09 55 62.1 7.1 64.5 2.4 69.5 5.0 9.5 4.8 Central Florida 19.39 19 20.2 1.2 21.1 0.9 22.2 1.1 2.1 1.1 C Michigan 20.24 20 22.6 2.6 27.8 5.2 27.6 -0.2 7.8 3.9 Cincinnati 31.1 31 32.4 1.4 36.1 3.7 36.3 0.2 5.1 2.6 Clemson 56.69 57 64.2 7.2 68.4 4.2 70.6 2.2 11.4 5.7 Colorado 46.57 47 45.6 -1.4 50.0 4.4 49.9 -0.1 3.0 1.5 Colorado State 39.39 39 39.2 0.2 43.7 4.5 42.6 -1.1 4.7 2.4 Duke 19.75 20 23.3 3.3 26.1 2.8 29.4 3.3 6.1 3.1 East Carolina 15.14 15 20 5 22.8 2.8 23.6 0.8 7.8 3.9 E Michigan 14.28 14 16.1 2.1 19.3 3.2 20.4 1.1 5.3 2.7 Florida 65.72 66 67.4 1.4 68.6 1.2 70.3 1.7 2.6 1.3 Florida Atl 20.94 21 22.5 1.5 24.9 2.4 26.8 1.9 3.9 2.0 Florida Int 7.83 8 11.4 3.4 15.5 4.1 17.3 1.8 7.5 3.8 Florida State 74.89 75 79.1 4.1 82.3 3.2 83.7 1.4 7.3 3.7 Fresno State 49.01 49 49.1 0.1 47.4 -1.7 52.5 5.1 -1.6 -0.8 Georgia 80.06 80 81.5 1.5 84.3 2.8 86.5 2.2 4.3 2.2 Georgia Tech 50.96 51 52.5 1.5 55.4 2.9 58.5 3.1 4.4 2.2 Hawaii 37.06 37 37.2 0.2 38.7 1.5 41.7 3.0 1.7 0.9 Houston 26.52 27 30.1 3.1 31.1 1.0 33.3 2.2 4.1 2.1 Idaho 12.64 13 15.5 2.5 20.7 5.2 25 4.3 7.7 3.9 Illinois 17.83 18 22.5 4.5 26.4 3.9 28.6 2.2 8.4 4.2 Indiana 17.68 18 22 4 25.7 3.7 26 0.3 7.7 3.9 Iowa 71.48 71 75.5 4.5 77.8 2.3 77.2 -0.6 6.8 3.4 Iowa State 31.77 32 33.4 1.4 34.6 1.2 35.3 0.7 2.6 1.3 Kansas 31.45 31 30 -1 31.0 1.0 30.3 -0.7 0.0 0.0 Kansas State 41.62 42 44.4 2.4 48.3 3.9 46.7 -1.6 6.3 3.2 Kent State 14.84 15 18.5 3.5 21.3 2.8 22 0.7 6.3 3.2 Kentucky 20.99 21 27.3 6.3 32.0 4.7 33.9 1.9 11.0 5.5 Louisiana Tech 32.97 33 34.8 1.8 33.4 -1.4 33.8 0.4 0.4 0.2 Louisiana-Laf 17.77 18 21.2 3.2 22.2 1.0 22.8 0.6 4.2 2.1 La-Monroe 13.85 14 16.6 2.6 18.2 1.6 21.1 2.9 4.2 2.1 Louisville 59.77 60 64.8 4.8 68.7 3.9 72.2 3.5 8.7 4.4 LSU 81.7 82 85.6 3.6 85.0 -0.6 87 2.0 3.0 1.5 Marshall 33.43 33 31.9 -1.1 31.0 -0.9 33.4 2.4 -2.0 -1.0 Maryland 49.17 49 51.8 2.8 50.9 -0.9 49 -1.9 1.9 1.0 Memphis 46.31 46 46.1 0.1 49.7 3.6 51.9 2.2 3.7 1.9 Miami 80.81 81 83.7 2.7 85.2 1.5 86.9 1.7 4.2 2.1 Miami (OH) 57.45 57 58.9 1.9 65.1 6.2 70.6 5.5 8.1 4.1 Michigan 76.51 77 77.4 0.4 78.5 1.1 80.8 2.3 1.5 0.7 Michigan State 43.47 43 45.6 2.6 45.9 0.3 48 2.1 2.9 1.5 Middle Tenn St 15.84 16 17.7 1.7 20.7 3.0 23.4 2.7 4.7 2.4 Minnesota 43.19 43 47.2 4.2 44.4 -2.8 46.3 1.9 1.4 0.7 Miss State 18.3 18 22.8 4.8 29.8 7.0 34 4.2 11.8 5.9 Missouri 43.71 44 48.3 4.3 46.4 -1.9 47.1 0.7 2.4 1.2 Navy 43.4 43 47.2 4.2 45.4 -1.8 44.4 -1.0 2.4 1.2 NC State 45.58 46 46.1 0.1 46.8 0.7 50.1 3.3 0.8 0.4 Nebraska 53.26 53 55.5 2.5 57.8 2.3 62.8 5.0 4.8 2.4 Nevada 37.15 37 38.7 1.7 38.6 -0.1 39.9 1.3 1.6 0.8 New Mexico 42.56 43 44.8 1.8 44.7 -0.1 41.8 -2.9 1.7 0.9 New Mexico St 11.25 11 15.2 4.2 17.0 1.8 20.9 3.9 6.0 3.0 North Carolina 37.21 37 35.7 -1.3 34.7 -1.0 35.4 0.7 -2.3 -1.2 North Texas 28.45 28 27.8 -0.2 27.7 -0.1 29.9 2.2 -0.3 -0.2 N Illinois 44.53 45 43.6 -1.4 44.1 0.5 43.8 -0.3 -0.9 -0.5 Northwestern 44.82 45 43.7 -1.3 43.6 -0.1 44 0.4 -1.4 -0.7 Notre Dame 57.64 58 61.3 3.3 63.4 2.1 68.9 5.5 5.4 2.7 Ohio 16.16 16 21.1 5.1 21.9 0.8 24.4 2.5 5.9 3.0 Ohio State 78.58 79 82.2 3.2 84.9 2.7 86.6 1.7 5.9 3.0 Oklahoma 81.25 81 83.9 2.9 85.2 1.3 83.4 -1.8 4.2 2.1 Oklahoma State 39.22 39 40.2 1.2 38.5 -1.7 40 1.5 -0.5 -0.3 Ole Miss 45.22 45 47.4 2.4 49.2 1.8 48.9 -0.3 4.2 2.1 Oregon 45.47 45 47.3 2.3 51.1 3.8 54.7 3.6 6.1 3.1 Oregon State 40.32 40 40.5 0.5 41.6 1.1 41.9 0.3 1.6 0.8 Penn State 53.62 54 59.1 5.1 59.0 -0.1 61.2 2.2 5.0 2.5 Pittsburgh 46.2 46 46.4 0.4 45.5 -0.9 46 0.5 -0.5 -0.2 Purdue 45.09 45 45.7 0.7 48.1 2.4 51.3 3.2 3.1 1.6 Rice 23.88 24 25.8 1.8 26.0 0.2 26.2 0.2 2.0 1.0 Rutgers 31.55 32 31.1 -0.9 30.4 -0.7 31.3 0.9 -1.6 -0.8 San Diego State 24.75 25 30.1 5.1 31.6 1.5 32.3 0.7 6.6 3.3 San Jose State 6.22 6 11.1 5.1 13.7 2.6 18.9 5.2 7.7 3.9 South Carolina 42.12 42 42.4 0.4 47.2 4.8 46.4 -0.8 5.2 2.6 South Florida 31.93 32 31.1 -0.9 31.9 0.8 31 -0.9 -0.1 -0.1 SMU 18.21 18 21.7 3.7 25.5 3.8 25.5 0.0 7.5 3.8 Southern Miss 52.35 52 54.4 2.4 53.6 -0.8 55.6 2.0 1.6 0.8 Stanford 37.48 37 38 1 39.0 1.0 42.8 3.8 2.0 1.0 Syracuse 37.95 38 37.6 -0.4 39.1 1.5 40.4 1.3 1.1 0.6 Temple 4.55 5 15.2 10.2 18.9 3.7 20.1 1.2 13.9 7.0 Tennessee 69.04 69 73 4 73.9 0.9 76.3 2.4 4.9 2.5 Texas 85.53 86 88 2 90.5 2.5 92 1.5 4.5 2.3 Texas A&M 42.85 43 40.9 -2.1 43.4 2.5 44.1 0.7 0.4 0.2 Texas Christian 56.73 57 63.8 6.8 67.6 3.8 72.8 5.2 10.6 5.3 Texas Tech 52.86 53 56.3 3.3 58.6 2.3 60.7 2.1 5.6 2.8 Toledo 47.26 47 46.9 -0.1 47.3 0.4 46.4 -0.9 0.3 0.1 Troy 28.27 28 27.8 -0.2 29.2 1.4 28.6 -0.6 1.2 0.6 Tulane 18.51 19 22.3 3.3 26.0 3.7 26.2 0.2 7.0 3.5 Tulsa 37.96 38 36.4 -1.6 38.3 1.9 38.2 -0.1 0.3 0.1 UCLA 47.88 48 53.5 5.5 55.9 2.4 59.1 3.2 7.9 4.0 UConn 39.72 40 38.3 -1.7 36.7 -1.6 38.5 1.8 -3.3 -1.7 UNLV 19.07 19 23.3 4.3 25.3 2.0 27.9 2.6 6.3 3.2 USC 90.02 90 91.2 1.2 92.3 1.1 92.3 0.0 2.3 1.2 Utah 62.96 63 64.8 1.8 66.2 1.4 70.3 4.1 3.2 1.6 Utah State 13.84 14 22.6 8.6 24.7 2.1 28.2 3.5 10.7 5.4 UTEP 30.64 31 30 -1 31.0 1.0 30 -1.0 0.0 0.0 Vanderbilt 17.18 17 20.4 3.4 26.3 5.9 27.7 1.4 9.3 4.7 Virginia 57.1 57 61.7 4.7 66.1 4.4 71.3 5.2 9.1 4.6 Virginia Tech 69.51 70 73.1 3.1 76.8 3.7 77.4 0.6 6.8 3.4 Wake Forest 33.85 34 35.5 1.5 37.5 2.0 36 -1.5 3.5 1.8 Wash State 43.48 43 43.7 0.7 44.2 0.5 46.2 2.0 1.2 0.6 Washington 27.28 27 30.5 3.5 32.0 1.5 37.3 5.3 5.0 2.5 West Virginia 55 55 58.9 3.9 65.2 6.3 68.5 3.3 10.2 5.1 W Michigan 17.04 17 21.7 4.7 23.9 2.2 24.5 0.6 6.9 3.5 Wisconsin 64.36 64 68 4 73.0 5.0 74.2 1.2 9.0 4.5 Wyoming 25.44 25 27.7 2.7 29.7 2.0 30.7 1.0 4.7 2.4 Teams Losing Prestige 18 21 22 Teams Gaining Prestige 101 98 95 [/CODE] Biggest Gainers +5.5 Notre Dame (10-2) +5.5 Miami-Ohio (12-1) +5.3 Washington (4-7) +5.2 Texas Christian (12-1) +5.2 Virginia (10-2) +5.2 San Jose State (5-7) Biggest Losers -2.9 New Mexico (5-6) -1.9 Maryland (3-8) -1.8 Oklahoma (8-4) -1.6 Kansas State (7-5) -1.5 Wake Forest (2-9) [B][SIZE="4"]Top 10 Recruiting Classes - 2009[/SIZE][/B] #1 West Virginia (#25 Prestige) #2 Notre Dame (#24 Prestige) #3 Boise State (#15 Prestige) #4 Michigan (#10 Prestige) #5 California (#23 Prestige) #6 Virginia (#18 Prestige) #7 Texas (#2 Prestige) #8 Nebraska (#27 Prestige) #9 Miami (#4 Prestige) #10 Oklahoma (#8 Prestige) [COLOR="Blue"]Top 25 Prestige teams not in Top 25 Recruiting [LIST] [*]LSU #3 Prestige/#30 Recruiting [*]Ohio State #5/#43 [*]Florida State #7/#22 [*]Iowa #12/#33 [*]Texas Christian #16/#35 [*]Louisville #17/#27 [*]Florida #21/#46 [/LIST] Don't know what is going on here.[/COLOR] Looking at the big gainers (and losers): Notre Dame (10-2) pulls in the #2 class Miami-Ohio (12-1) pulls in the #20 class Washington (4-7) pulls in the #91 class Texas Christian (12-1) pulls in the #35 class Virginia (10-2) pulls in the #6 class San Jose State (5-7) pulls in the #109 class [I]Nothing too shocking here. Although I am beginning to think that a boost in Prestige does not lead to immediate dividens in recruiting.[/I] New Mexico (5-6) pulls in the #70 class Maryland (3-8) pulls in the #15 class Oklahoma (8-4) pulls in the #10 class Kansas State (7-5) pulls in the #18 class Wake Forest (2-9) pulls in the #71 class [I]This pretty much proves that prestige boosts (or declines) don't affect the next year's recruiting class.[/I] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 [QUOTE=Green Caesar;179396]That's good stuff! I am hoping to do some simming today and tomorrow. We'll compare how Buffalo did in my sims. Are you actually controlling them or are you letting the CPU control them?[/QUOTE] I'm doing the day-to-day operations, but I'm simming the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I would be interested to see a graph similar to the one you posted earlier, but with the adjusted (rounded) prestige ratings to start the 1st season, and then another at 5 or 10 years to see how the distribution has changed. Do any teams have lower than 20 or 25 prestige? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Caesar Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 Yeah, I was thinking of that myself. [QUOTE]Do any teams have lower than 20 or 25 prestige? [/QUOTE] There are three below 20. Lowest is 17.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Looks like about 25 prestige is the lowest any team will steadily stay at. I should try another with Buffalo where I make sure to lose every game and get the worst recruiting class every year and see what happens to the prestige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 After year 3 Buffalo's prestige is 19. We were 5-7 (4-4) again and were ranked #90 in the CPU rankings with a SOS of 73. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Caesar Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 I have noticed something else interesting. When you add up all of the original (default) prestige scores the total is 5855. When you add up all of the new modified prestige scores before a single sim the total is 4737. At the start of the 2007 season = 5025 At the start of the 2008 season = 5256.5 At the start of the 2009 season = 5444.8 It appears that the AI has a target number for overall prestige. Every year the sum of the prestige scores rises towards 5855. It will be interesting to see: (A) When (and if) it gets to 5855. (B) Does it keep rising or plateau. I am busy with work this week and next ... may not get a chance to do any more simming until next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I just lost the season. When I went to save it gave me a message saying there was an error and to check to see if I had another instance of BBCF running, and the game locked. The only way to get out was to shut down my computer. When I booted it back up and tried to load the save, it said there was no save available. When I checked the game file, there was no .sav file :mad: I don't know what to do about it :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Caesar Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 That sucks, man. I wish I could help but I have not heard anything like that. Have you searched the forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyvol Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 [QUOTE=udlb58;182286]I just lost the season. When I went to save it gave me a message saying there was an error and to check to see if I had another instance of BBCF running, and the game locked. The only way to get out was to shut down my computer. When I booted it back up and tried to load the save, it said there was no save available. When I checked the game file, there was no .sav file :mad: I don't know what to do about it :([/QUOTE] I've seen this once. There should be a .old file that is the backup of the league the last time you saved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udlb58 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I found it thanks. Good thing you said something, that snake almost bit me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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