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Really? I forget the part where a 3rd party destroyed Jeff Hardy and then Punk won in 5 seconds. And even if that had happened, it would give Punk something to talk about that makes him a better babyface.
But no, Punk just beat Hardy by hitting him with his finisher twice. He didn't have Kane or somebody randomly destroy Hardy so that he could win the match in seconds.
lazorbreak, he's referring to (WHC CHAMP) Edge getting attacked by Batista. CM Punk cashed in the title on Raw in 2008. It was his first successful MITB cash in.
They actually replayed the video on how he lost his first title this year during the CM Punk / Randy Orton mini feud. Orton took CM Punk out and Punk wasn't able to participate in a Scramble match at Unforgiven 08.
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Punk lost.
1-2-3.
Cena got screwed by Trips.
Not even the same ocean.
So Nash attack CM Punk from the front or back?
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Never said anything about the ROH formula.
I just think it's stupid that the face always has to be better than the heel in the ring. No heel can ever be as talented as a face?
WWE = Face
NWA = Heel
The face always has to be better than the heel in the ring.
Guess what company is still relevant today. Faces win.
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Austin was the face.
Just saying.
Cena is a face. And i believe he's 1-6 against CM Punk this year. You want the ROH formula of how title should change hands. This is the WWE. They used this formula for god's how long with a tweak here or there.
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1. Why? So the face can always look better? That rule's idiotic. I know it's the rule, but it's a stupid rule. Punk can't beat Cena? Then why should anyone care?
2. It's not even that. You fire SEVERAL people, so you can use NASH? Pac and Hall gonna show up too? Usable talent down, so old guys with no use to the promotion at all can get a bigger paycheck. YAY!
3. Alberto Del Rio shouldn't be anywhere near the RAW main event. The guy's good in the ring, and I'll give him all the credit in the world for being entertaining, but whoopie. Rey vs. Alberto in the feud NOBODY gives a crap about. The FIRST time, it was decent. It got old.
4. YAY! So we get the same f'n feuds, again. Except now, Punk has no bargaining chip at all, Cena has a huge claim to everything, the title's being held by someone close to tied with Wade Barrett for most times claiming something and then failing epicly at it, and Rey's gonna job endlessly?
Punk can't beat Cena... he did.
And let's go back to STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN.
Did you know? Austin didn't beat HBK fairly at WrestleMania 14. Mike Tyson made a QUICK three count. Faster three count than the controversial Starrcade 1997 match with Sting and © Hogan. Hogan was screwed. It wasn't a quick three count but they had a wrestler, Bret Hart, decide to play commissioner.
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Coming off the PPV, my main is thought : Kevin... freaking... Nash... what the hell was that ? I mean, Del Rio cashing in on the winner of the main event had a good probability of occuring and I don't mind it, but what the hell was Nash doing there ? That was really out of nowhere and we can only hope we will have a good explanation, not just some random crap.
Kevin Nash is one of Triple H homeboys. Guess Stephanie McMahon was the one who made the call.
It looks like they are heading for a HHH / Punk WrestleMania. Yeah, it's a long time away. But that appears to be the buildup.
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Scramble match at NoC probably. Cena/Punk/ADR/Rey/Miz or Truth
I love that match. The Brian Kendrick was an interim champion cause of it.
I'll mark out for it.
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I hate IWC fans
They are hard people to please as a majority.
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What crap has Punk done? He never assaulted his boss.
You call everything predictable and then they do somfthing not predictable only for you to say it sucks because it buries Punk.
Yeah, i was thinking what would a generic internet fan would say.
Well, Arrows said CM Punk would have been buried if Cena won the match. Cena didn't win the match.
Now he moved to his next generic internet burial comment.
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The idiocy with Cole against Lawler.
Damn. There was a reason why i wanted to forget that.
I hope they edited that clusterfrak out of Wrestlemania 27 DVD.
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WWE Superstars.
He needs to challenge Zack Ryder for the internet championship since Superstars is on WWE.com
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What the heck has Jack Swagger been doing for the last year and a half?
He had a feud with Evan Borne recently that amounted with Borne picking up victories.
Losing to Cena.
That's the only two things i can recall right now. Maybe more. Hopefully someone can elaborate and remind us.
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To be fair, they were also treated in the booking, before and after, as top guys and so stayed on top.
It's not the losing to Cena that sends people down to the midcard. It's the booking of them before and after.
True. The booking team needs to invest the time and effort to these guys. Guess two examples could be:
Positive--> Sheamus
Negative--> Swagger
Sheamus had his downs at the start of the year with a mini-losing streak but he's picked it back up.
Swagger on the other hand, smh, he's competing with Samoe Joe for losing streak of the year.
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The difference between everyone else's five moves and Cena's five moves:
Everyone else: Uses the five moves to END the match.
Cena: (Until recently) ONLY uses five moves the ENTIRE match.
Can you list me Stone Cold move set in 1998. Lou Thesz Press, Suplex, Punch, Mudhole stomp, Stone Cold Stunner...okay, he used six, the middle finger. Okay i may have missed something but on average, you'll see all six of that in a match.
To add on losing to John Cena and how it sends them back down in the card, how's Randy Orton doing? Orton lost a zillion matches to Cena and even Triple H. Look at his reaction at MITB, second only to CM Punk that night.
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Every time Cena gets in the ring and beats someone in five moves, he does that to the other person. He knows 90% of the people he's wrestling are never going to be taken serious afterwards. The burial still happens. What's he gonna do, NOT bury Punk and get management pissed at him?
Cena also doesn't have Kayfabe injuries. He instantly heals the second he hits a shoulder block. He even no sold a REAL f'n injury to show up months early and win the Royal Rumble.
Cena admits to playing a super hero in TV. It's not like he's playing Samuel L. Jackson character in Unbreakable. He's the Bruce Willis character.
Well, you can call the five moves = signature moves. Did you know, one of Austin five moves was a middle finger then a stunner.
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Agreed, all around. Now, let's stick em in a parking lot in their primes.
Lashley'll be on the ground.
So would Austin, Cena, and any immortal force in sports entertainment.
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If I'm putting money on what WWE want, it's Miz/Austin.
Yeah, if HHH/CM Punk is going to happen, then that would be the next choice.
If CM Punk/Austin happens, Situation -vs- Miz will be my pick.
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You DO realize, Miz/Austin have the start to a feud set up, yea? The plan was for Miz vs. Austin, not Punk vs. Austin. Who says it's gonna be Punk's spot?
That could be the case. But I'll put a bet right now that it will be Austin / CM Punk. It's a match i want to see. I'm sure there are other people like me.
As for the Miz, Austin would choose Punk over Miz in a return bout. Maybe they can get Miz to fight The Situation or something.
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If Tyson was a wrestler, I'd feel the same way I do about Lashley. Tyson beat people up. Tyson WAS the baddest man on the planet. Lashley beat...Umaga...in a wrestling match. Lashley also was NEVER going to win the WWE title.
He might've won the World Title, but he was never going to win the WWE title, because, like you brought up, he's not white.
If he wasn't going to win the title, did Cena squash him in their PPV match? When Cena DVD comes out, i bet that match is on it.
And damnit dude, Umaga was one of my favorite and rest his soul. At least Umaga got to main event shows and have entertaining matches with Cena and Jeff Hardy of all people.
Put Lashley up to Tyson without knowledge of their "FABLED careers", people will think Lashley will kick Tyson all over that ring. Just by looks, not Tyson dominant boxing career.
Then have them speak, Lashley will win again because Tyson sounds like Michael Jackson backup singer.
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Yeah, cause not doing anything for Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, and Feb. That's not slipping down the card. Cause after ALL that time doing nothing, you get to wrestle a guy who's not done anything in....how long? Oh boy!
Let's not forget that's nowhere near a confirmed match by any means. It's okay though, cause that one match makes up for having your entire character wrecked again and then going back to doing nothing at all after that match.
It's going to happen. Cena -vs- Rock was once doubted because why would The Rock wrestle when he makes millions doing movies. Well, anything is possible. Stone Cold -vs- CM Punk will happen. Stone Cold just did a season with Tough Enough. From that show, Booker T and Trish have made in-ring wrestling appearance. And Stone Cold -vs- CM Punk have a good background story to play since one is a beer guzzler and the other one is straight edge.
As for CM Punk not doing anything for all those months, can you show me the script?
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In the world of professional wrestling, with guys like Show, Taker, Kane, Cena, Batista, and an endless list more?
Average. He also never completely dominated everything the way Tyson did. He won, what? The ECW title?
Lashley was going to win the WWE title or World Heavyweight Championship. But Michael Hayes conduct in the backstage during 2007 put an end to that.
Lashley had the look. But you put him down base on the way he spoke.
If Mike Tyson was a dominant professional wrestler than a dominant boxer, would you use your analysis on Lashley on Tyson? Based on your "interpretation of a tough guy", Tyson voice sounded like he was below average guy.
And what's to say he gets drafted to SmackDown and dominates their roster in 2008? He definitely had the size McMahon craves. He was far more talented in-ring than a Kozlov and Ezekial Jackson. If he didn't have that appeal, the looks, the amateur background, StrikeForce wouldn't take their chances on him.
Obviously Brock Lesnar was on a higher plateau, to use your words Arrows, he was white.
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Perhaps he believes everything Cena says... IF you remember, Cena said to Punk "If you lose, your a one time fluke" or something similar. This was exactly what the Internet fans have been saying, and it's obvious Cena did it on purpose. He did it to enrage the Internet Fans, get everyone taking sides, and he's playing the "Heel" for them right now. Bassically, he's ensuring that if CM Punk has a loss, that CM Punk will NOT be a one time fluke, by saying exactly that. The Internet Fans truly believe that if Punk doesn't win, he will slip back down the card and not thought of again, and Cena is playing this perfectly in my opinion. We see it as him being cool, but Cena hater's probably hated hearing him say that, and probably think since he said it, it actually confirms their belief... It's hillarious if you think about it... He's been doing it the whole time Punk has been their "voice".
Internet fans and the male demographics (teen and above) have always treated John Cena as a heel.
And the WWE never books for the internet fan. If they did that, they would be in the same spot as ROH (if they started listening to the internet fan at the start of the IWC). You book for your audience and the internet fan has quite different taste as a casual fan. Notice when the WWE took out the word "wrestling", did the casual fan react negatively as the internet fan?
I don't think CM Punk will slip down the card. Unless you believe a potential Stone Cold/CM Punk match at WrestleMania is slipping down. This is like majority of people in the IWC reacted to Christian losing his first World Heavyweight Champion to Orton back in April 2011. The reaction you get online is exaggerated. But damn, the WWE drop the ball with Christan. It wasn't like Christian won the title in a ladder match and force to defend it against another Super-Top WWE Face couple days later. If you were a patient internet fan, you could tried to look at the bigger picture. Edge injury change his heel turn and i personally like the route they went.
CM Punk loses at SummerSlam, he's going to be screwed by Triple H. Whoever wins, there will be something flaky about it, which is why they added HHH into the match. If Cena does get pinned cleanly tonight, then kudos because i want to see that personally. But based on the WWE history on booking their number one men, highly unlikely.
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Lashley was a fairly average guy.
Who is known for his WWE days when he joined StrikeForce.
There was a reason why he was booked as Donald Trump man to wrestle Umaga (who was picked by Vince McMahon).
He was put into that spot the same way the WWE put Brock Lesnar in a top spot in 2002.
Remember how StrikeForce was interested in bringing Batista? If Lashley was a fairly average guy, so is Batista.
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1. I'm actually pretty satisfied with the current WWE product, minus the Tag division, and the fact that R-Truth and Kofi Kingston will NEVER hold the main title of the show they're on because of their race. Kills 2 of the uppercard guys before they even get started.
2. That quote, was my point. Cena'd JUST been "fired". Yet he was backstage. If they didn't LET him in, he broke the law. If ANYONE tried to be backstage without being welcomed, they'd be arrested, cause it's, illegal.
Melina has no value to the WWE.
John Cena has value to the WWE.
That's why he was backstage.
Plus Melina was a real future endeavor.
Cena was a storyline future endeavor.
Hence, CM Punk latest storyline. It was a storyline "I'm leaving the WWE and taking the belt with me".
The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*
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Remember when The Miz lost to Daniel Bryan last year around September/October??
Same scenario happened last year with Raw MITB winner. Miz loses to Bryan just like Bryan loses to Barrett in 2011.
Miz was the US title and lost his belt to Bryan in 2010.
Oh yeah, Miz had the MITB case in 2010.
It isn't rocket science but apparently we are the ones with the rocket science background and the ones booking this travesty need us to BEAT IT DOWN TO THEM.
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Do you really watch with the mindset that "Wrestler A Wins, therefore Wrestler B job and it looks like Wrestler B is going to look like a Joke 20 weeks from now"
This is wrestling. But i guess they leave the booking to professionals and the armchairs to us IWC'ers.