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It's still Matt Hardy
edit: He'll be there by the end of October. I'd put moneys on it.
is his contracy up by then? if not and he gets released then you also have to add on the 90 day thing which wwe put in there contracts...
so is this signing a nasty boys/orlando jordan "big" or a hardy/rvd BIG signing?
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I don't mean to <snip> out your post like this, but I wanted to concentrate here for a minute. I'm in agreement with you mostly, just want to make sure I'm understood a little bit.
Your talking about Samoa Joe in TNA, right? If this is the case, then I think you can understand where they were at that point compared to where they are now. Joe coming in and being a the badist s. o. b. on their roster isn't something that gave them huge ratings or really anything outside of what Joe already had before he went there... a Huge following for an Indy wrestler. Still bassically the same after all this time, he might have created a "few" more fans, but it's not in the same boat as he would be if he debuted in the WWE and was successfully thrown in the Main Event in the same way. That being said, he probably would (to this day) have a hard time getting him over in the span of months, let alone right away, in the WWE. I think we can look at Umaga (in the fact has some skill, built similar, etc.) and figure that it would take about the same amount of time for Joe to become that popular as well (in the WWE).
The second point you made I can agree with. They have a sort of cookie cutter thing they do with most of the wrestler's... although they've added a few types since the popularity of Mysterio... we now have our Even Bourne's and "flashy" high flying mover types, and they are introduced as such.
These are standards that have proven to be a way to get someone over. I would figure if they can't get any momentum with "standards" then I'm not going to invest alot of time in them working out some other gimmick that might work better. I'll do my best to make the standard work, and then I'll let it go where it seems to go, and hope the worker grasps onto something.
As for people that do end up standing out, I'm going to work something special with them, and hope they stand out even more. However, it's a standard "good" vs. "Bad" that is going to always be there, unless something drastic occurs. I would think you would have to have an amazing skill on the roster to "break" the mold though. I don't see it working just because the creative team decides to do something unique.. it takes the talent to carry it out as well.
well i said joe because he was the first guy who was not ex wwe/wcw wrestler to join that did bring other viewers due to following which was not as big as rvd/hardy/hogan fan following but it was big for an indie guy...
im not saying that good vs evil dont work and what not its just so many of the wwe roster outside of the main event dont seem to have much in the way of personality in some ways. and those that do are basicly the same as each other. i like even bourne and john morrison but they dont seem to get air time when it comes to showing personality (yes jomo gets bits here and there like the free running he did the other week backstage but when did they last give him decent promo time?)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQO3MRTC_-4&feature=related
This to me is just "cold", maybe not Stone Cold, but they booked this pretty good, besides the RKO/FU (whatever they call it) not working out.
EDIT: To add to the conversation a bit more.
I've always felt they take longer in the "E" then most other promotions. TO ME, this is normal, as most promotions historically took time a great deal of time to get people over. Randy Orton took a good while to get over, although some people didn't take as long (Cena). The last few years to me, they take less time then ever getting people over. I think this is where WWE Superstars and such help them out, being able to get people seen more that would normally not be able to be seen as much.
This is also the reason I like the brand splits, wish the ECW brand would have worked out for them as well. It does nothing but help in my opinion, even if it only does a 1.0 in ratings. That might not sound like much, but when you consider alot of shows lasting for years that dont' get even that big, you have to consider that it must take alot more for them to get someone over. If they are cancelling shows that do around a 1.0 rating, then it must be because the show isn't helping them as much as they would want it to... takes to long to work with. At least that is the only thing I can think of that makes sense.
TNA doesn't get the kind of viewer's that WWE gets, yet have more people for us to try to know. This is where I think they move people too fast, and why it's very healthy for them to get someone like Anderson/Kennedy who has already become somewhat popular elsewhere. They just don't have the viewers it seems to take to "build" from within', in any reasonable amount of time. Even now, after being on for several years... People like Angle, Anderson, RVD, Hardy, etc. are more well known then poeple that have been there for years, like Joe and Styles. Their "homegrown" talent is not as over anywhere outside of the TNA arena, as the "ex" WWE/WCW stars are, that they hire. Imagine WWE trying to use Next, or ECW as their main way of getting someone completely over, and you can imagine what it takes for TNA to do the same. If they could just double their viewership for a good year, TNA could do alot more with the stars they have, and really build it up to another level/different way of doing things. Till that time comes, I understand hiring people like Hogan, Hardy, RVD, Angle, Elijah Burke/Pope, Kennedy/Anderson, etc. NOW, those of us that keep up with them know where to see them and watch, so it helps us (the internet people) go there to see our favorites that have left the WWE, but it doesn't help those NOT in the "know" as I come by people all the time that don't realise Hogan and Flair are around still, don't realise Sting has been around at all for the last 10 years, nor people like Raven or Rhino, etc. These people are people that are known, but since TNA is not in as many homes, there is a serious amount of people that don't even know their favorite wrestler's are still around....
However, they do know about Cena, Big Show, Undertaker, John Morrison, The Miz, Randy Orton, etc. They know about these people even though they don't watch... because people still talk wrestling, and when they do they talk about what the "E" is doing. A good while back, it took years to build a great character up, now you can do this in about six months... in the WWE. In TNA it would take years, if your really wanting it to work, unless you get them from OUTSIDE sources (WWE).
didnt joe just walk in from ROH and instanlty hit it big then? yh he didnt go stright into the main event but from his first match there he was a pull and looked like the badist s.o.b. on there roster.
i think a big reason for quick stars in wwe is mainly down to most guys not being much diffrent from the rest. it dont take alot to stand out in wwe right now. while there roster is far from in bad shape alot of guys there are some stagment in there spots in the and for some reason they seem to think that pushing a few guys from out no-where is going to help them out in the long term.
Orton took so long to get really over because of his gimmick of the arrogent good looking guy at the start when he join evo then not long after a failed face turned he became the whole 3rd gen guy when he was with his dad on smackdown then the same with legacy which while they fitted him and made him a well known to wrestling fans neither of them where really going to turn him into the biggist thing in wrestling
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cena was not push down peoples throats to being with. he started out as a ****y punk heel but his rapping stuff got him over with the fans and id say the fans where the reason for his face turn mainly because he was very diffrent from the rest of the roster at the time and people where starting to get behind him.
a big part of the reason why most people over the age of 12-14 dont like cena is partly due to those who remember the him from his rapper days and would have rather he when back down that route and the fact that he is now this era hogan ie the whole good guy with the pure heart, kissing babys. also the fact he hasnt been out of the title picture since 2005 dont help him out with the whole pushing down people throats claims.
and the people who cliam that he's never had a good match in his career i disagree. cena is never going to put on a classic pure wrestling match but he's had good matchs with edge, hbk, hhh, and jericho. yes i know these guys have great talent and in hbk's case he could make me look good, but i dont thinks he the worst guy on there roster in ring talent wise
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Good one and could be. Looking back let's do the ods game again lol. Yeah I wanna keep ahead of the E thread in posts lol.
Carlito: 45
Shelton: 40
James : 10
Jericho: 2.5
Other: 2.5
Not that it really matters as TNA where only contacted and where not extremely interested.
im sure dixie and mickie have a good relationship due to her past post on twitter so if mickie wanted in im sure dixie would hire her and she is one of the best known female free agents barring trish and lita.
jericho its not coz lets face jericho would be a no brian signing.
shelton would be a good for tna imo. so i dont think its him
so id say its carlito from your list there
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Wouldn't it be Carlito she is talkign about? His contract ended a few years ago and every one said he was going to leave, but all of the sudden he-resigned.
good shout. and he do'se have some what of a bad rep depending on who you listen to which explains why they may not be keen on bringing him in
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Things change but Shane just took over as the CEO of China Broadband Inc. and I seriously doubt he would all of the sudden just decide to buy TNA or be involved in them. If he did that it would be his way of disowning his father.
There is a bigger chance of the entire WWE roster showing up in TNA on the same night than there is of Shane McMahon having something to do with TNA.
it was ment as a joke lol. i thought a big part of the reason he left wwe was because he didnt have the same passion as other memebers of his family for wrestling and wanted to do somthing else
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they only way i could see brock doing anything with tna is if heyman is put in charge other then that i dont see him walking away from ufc while he still is the top man in the heavyweight div.
heymen being the one behind abyss and using him to destroy his own creations (the ecw crew) would be intresting but unlikely.
im surpised no has said shane-o yet. hell of away to piss daddy off lol
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Because..as much as 'smart' fans would hate to admit it, if you stuck Hogan vs Goldberg, or Hogan vs Angle on a PPV, it would do much bigger numbers than anything TNA could do at the moment.
id pay to see goldberg vs angle
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Who cares? He wasn't much of a worker to begin with.
Seriously...on buy rates and merchandise alone, he'd pay for himself 5 times over. Throw in whatever small ratings bump you get and the fact Bill has TV shows, shows up in movies, and is a regular at UFC events, and he'd be totally worth it.
yh it was a dumb name to think of tbh. my bad. so then its no him then
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About 12 minutes in it starts.
just watch and all i can think after that is that's is a guy who only been midcard else where. if tna want viewers then y2j ect.., would be a must signing. take your pick from the ex wwe midcard guys is all i say from that.
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I'm taking a wild guess on the individual....UFC Heavyweight Champion, BROCK LESNAR!!!!
i dont think she would say no to brock! unless she has really lost the plot
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They wouldn't say not to Goldberg. he's not some 'older guy'
He was legitimately one of the biggest stars in the industry and would actually be a decent attraction in the short term.
yh good point but do tna need another guy who hasnt wrestled full-time in years. is he still in shape to be able to put on a decent match?
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To watch:
http://www.pwinsider.com/article/50743/video-tna-bound-for-glory-kickoff-show.html?p=1
Recap of that part:
Dixie says that there was a talent who they were pursuing a few years ago who they pursued hard. There was a call from that person recently that they might be interested in coming to TNA, but she says that they appreciate that person thinking about them, but she doesn’t think they need him at this time. It is interesting to go from it being important to have ‘bigger’ stars, but now she wouldn’t trade anyone on the roster.
full recap:
then i'd say its either yet another older guy i.e. goldberg or another ex wwe midcarder. if she dont want benjamin then thats surpising i think he fit well in with the x-div guys and some of there high spot based match's, plus him and aj imo could be a great match
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Haas does not qualify for the big name status. Give me a sec and Ill get a transcript of that part of the Q and A and you can figure out for yourself. Or better yet watch it.
well the ecw where hyped as big names.
sabu and a few maybe but the f.b.i. arnt big names
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Ah. Well. I kinda hope it is Shelton Benjamin. If booked right he could do good in TNA.
Where did he say this.
the fact fozzy is in the uk for a tour for most of october and his contract is suposed to be coming up points more to him taking a brake then jumping ship
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haas and or benjamin is a better bet the jericho
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Where did Jericho's name come from?
he's taking a break from wwe/wrestling so that's the logic behind him being linked
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To be fair on nash about his wwf title run in 1995 i really dont think anyone at that time would have pulled in mega money for any company at the time. I mean who could have really made money at summer slam when MABLE! is the challenger and when they put him agaist bret buy where better but not by much mainly due to wrestling as a whole being on a low point in terms of fans watching as a whole. HBK's run didnt do much better after he won at maina in the iron man match. but wwf product at the time was one of the main reason's wwf buy rates and and ratings where in the toilet. And wcw wherent excatly doing much better even with hulk, savage, flair, sting, ect. and it wasnt untill hall and nash jumped ship that wcw took off as the number 1 company in the us so to say nash never drew money is not right.
but i do think it time for nash to step back even as a nash fan, but i think he could still be a good addition to any roster as he can cut an good promo and i enjoyed his role with joe a few years back, hell he make a better colour commentator then what vince has at them moment and his friendship with hunter means a open door back there so i dont think this will be the last we see of big kev
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mania 18 being there and hearing the crowd unable to pick between rock and hogan. while it was never going to be a clasic match up like savage steamboat it has been my fav wrestlemaina momment as the e call them.
and on jericho turning face i think most fans know that isnt going to be around aslong as some due to his outside gigs mainly his role in fozzy and i dont think the tv game show gig is a big deal as far as him leaving for good. and it makes sence on turning him as raw is a bit heel heavy in the main event/upper midcard and no1 seems sure of when HHH will be back so and jericho as a face always gets good reactions
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well if it really is mickie then that would be a big help to ko division. i wasnt sure if it really was mickie they had signed was all, wasnt a knock to mickie as she is of the biggist name female free agent wrestlers out there right now.