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6 hours ago, James The Animator said:
“Sammy, Ortiz and Santana and all of the JAS are higher up than they were.”
Santana hasn’t been on TV in months! Ortiz is in midcard limbo, Hager hasn’t moved or evolved, and Sammy hasn’t done much on that front either.
It was Jericho who took out Santana with the pipe, I missed that. Hager came in as a guy who was a jobber in WWE and was gotten over enough to have wrestled Moxley for the WORLD TITLE, and Sammy was literally a prospect guy when he joined, his babyface turn went very well.
But lets be dishonest and count the booking after Jericho was moved on.
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2 hours ago, The Blonde Bomber said:
In his feud with Punk he was the IT FACTOR, he got people to cheer him over Punk two months after his return. Then Jericho killed him like has done everything he touches. Punk was the opposite of Jericho interestingly. Punk would leave guys better off then where they were while Jericho would destroy everyone to keep himself on top.
Well, lets not rewrite history, Jericho has left everybody better than he found them, probably the only people who can say they were worse off is Orange Cassidy. But that was just the gimmick getting long in the tooth and Cassidy getting shuffled back into the toybox.
He may not elevate people to the moon, but Sammy, Ortiz and Santana and all of the JAS are higher up than they were. He's deteriorated as an in-ring worker, but he's still a smart guy with a good nose for the business. And he still has something to offer AEW, in stability, if nothing else.
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13 hours ago, Matt_Black said:
"Fire Sammy" was trending on Twitter after the show. In less than a year, he went from beloved babyface to X-Pac heat.
This was always going to happen if you've followed him. He has a reputation of being pretty insufferable, arrogant, low-IQ. The outlier was The Inner Circle run, where he kept his mouth shut, and worked.
Do not like at all that TK let him go out their and work off his backstage X-PAC heat, real danger we've got a toxic version of Vickie Guerrero for the modern age.
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On 10/4/2022 at 2:21 PM, Jaysin said:
If all this White Rabbit stuff ends up being Joe Gacy, people are gonna be salty 😂
At this point, the ARG stuff is so good that it can't be anybody else but Bray, because I don't trust anybody else to pull this stuff off inside that company. The clincher was the Ovaltine gag. I am just waiting to see what Bray is gonna go with for a character off of this thing. My guess is he's going for a Mad Hatter from Batman video games character here and he's gonna use a hallucination gimmick of some kind(mist, spray, pill). Which they can actually do well now with the AR tech they have so far only used for entrance stuff.
Also makes sense considering they have hired a comic book guy to take over creative.
We'll see.
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On 10/4/2022 at 5:54 PM, The Blonde Bomber said:
I don’t get it. I think Punk’s run for the year he was there was some of the best tv AEW did especially the MJF feud which was the best feud in wrestling in years.
Neither do I, in his only full year; had feud of the year, match of the year, and storyline of the year. He got both MJF and Wardlow over like rover, and he helped out Eddie Kingston which should have elevated Eddie into the main event. He's also a feminist. So.... yeah, no.
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8 hours ago, milamber said:
Rumor is Bandido is signed. I hope he comes out after the Hangman match to set up a future tag match against Andrade & Rush.
Meltzer reported he was signed yesterday. And I hope he doesn't just get lumped in with Death Triangle, or the Andrade group and shuffled off into the brown people end of TK's toy box, with nothing to do and nowhere to go but Rampage and AAA. It's becoming a bit of a theme.
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2 hours ago, Dalton said:
Glad to see Moriarty getting some shine, even if it should've happened 6+ months ago alongside Yuta and Garcia.
Rush has been a big surprise in AEW for me and is (as of now) slowly shedding the poor rep he has. Hanger vs him should be a good one.
I believe his niece or something got shot in a driveby and they gave him time off. Can't remember if that was earlier in the year or not. They were building him up a record on that show that shall not be named last I looked.
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It was great seeing Big E looking mobile on Fox this morning. Hopefully he's on track for a Rumble return.
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13 minutes ago, El Güro said:
It IS hypothetical, because she isn't booked in any match, hasn't taken any bumps and didn't have any accidents. There isn't anything to sue anybody about, you made that up in your head.
The funniest thing is how you went from straight misogynistic "people only like her because of her breasts" to suddenly crying crocodile tears about something that you can't possibly know.
Blessed be this discussion thread for people who play a fantasy booking game, be sacrolige to speculate about professional wrestling, or the questionable booking decisions of a pro wrestling company.
Give me a break dude.
And I don't think it's misogynistic to point out the reality of things, that 18-34 year old men are the most exploitable resource on planet earth.
Go ask every OF account holder. If reality is difficult for you. Tough. It's making a lot of young women Millionaires with a capital M. Capitalism is a beautiful thing sometimes.
Doesn't make you a wrestling needle mover though.
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3 minutes ago, Self said:
I'm genuinely surprised Saraya is that popular. Sure, I wasn't watching when she had her run, but I always assumed she was a victim of poor timing, who came and went before and after the top opponents she could have had good matches with. Granted, the diehard fans that respect workrate have good memories, so didn't instantly forget her like Candice Michelle or Michelle McCool, but I'm still surprised she's so well remembered.
I'm not gonna lie, that IG account took me back. But it's got like no posts and no engagement and I didn't know it existed until Mootie pointed it out. Gotta be a bot farm.
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49 minutes ago, El Güro said:
So you're concerned about the hypothetical consequences of an hypothetical accident during a hypothetical match and most likely aren't anybody who has any real insight into her medical status or the booking plans for her?
It's hypothetical until you see a man falling 100+ feet and die in a completely preventable accident because nobody asked why they were making a guy do something he didn't want to do in the first place for a prelim comedy angle nobody asked for.
There's a time and a place to take a risk. It's when the reward exceeds it. I cannot find anyway this could possibly work out for anyone, and that is the point. You lot getting butthurt because I don't think she's a star, because she's not, is a rather sad way to miss the point entirely. But, maybe I should expect way less of you.
I assure you the lawsuit will not be hypothetical though.
AEW keeps saying that it wants to be wrestling utopia, walk the talk for once.
I am reminded of this story from Ryan Clark and Mike Tomlin.
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1 hour ago, Mootinie said:
So, based on this logic, it surely follows that all of AEW's women have brilliant and comparable social media followings to Saraya? Let's crunch the numbers...
- Saraya (6.1m on IG, 2.7m on Twitter, 8.8m overall)
- Jade Cargill (811k on IG, 169k on Twitter, 980k overall)
- Britt Baker (445k on IG, 345k on Twitter, 790k overall)
- Toni Storm (725k on IG)
- Thunder Rosa (317k on IG, 205k on Twitter, 522k overall)
- Jamie Hayter (155k on IG, 118k on Twitter, 273k overall)
- Kris Statlander (184k on IG, 140k on Twitter, 324k overall)
- Penelope Ford (175k on IG, 90k on Twitter, 265k overall)
It is, very literally, night and day.
If your argument to me is that she's going to risk death and disability to get Jade Cargill and the girls some IG follows, that's a rather embarrassing take... followers are completely meaningless. Because they can be botted, and manipulated. Engagement is what advertisers want from IG models. That account has 7 posts on it for christ sakes. Stop.
Even if I went along with this hairbrained new media crap, just make her a brand ambassador or something, and have her use instagram to post pics of Jade in all her cosplays and be done with it. Nobody has to die for this.
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1 minute ago, Mootinie said:
AEW stars with the most follows on social media between Twitter and Instagram:
- Saraya (6.1m on IG, 2.7m on Twitter, 8.8m overall)
- Chris Jericho (4.2m on IG, 3.6m on Twitter, 7.8m overall)
- Bryan Danielson (3.3m on IG, 4.5m on Twitter, 7.8m overall)
Do you get it now?
I get that Chris Jericho and Bryan Danielson don't have boobs. Yes.
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10 minutes ago, Dawn said:
Punk doing MMA was a bad idea from the onset - there is a great video from Napoleon Blownapart detailing how screwed his career was from the very beginning. I can't vouch on the Gracies being scumbags point because I never looked into that but mostly for how late he began training, he could have trained with the best of the best for reals every single day from when he first announced he had signed with the UFC until the Gall fight and he would still have been at an inherent disadvantage.
Hell, the second fight they gave him was so blatant trying to save face as in ''there's no way he'll also lose to THIS GUY, will he?'' but yeah, it turns out even the worst of the MMA fighters in the UFC have way more experience in shoot fighting (dude had 4 boxing fights to his name) than a dude who first started training for that when he was pushing 40.It made absolutely no sense to me. I remember when Punk used to explain why his Savage elbow always looked like crap, he answered "Because I'm the least athletic human being on the planet." or something to that effect.
He was right. Punk has never been this stunning athlete, he didn't fight or grow up doing anything but pro-wrestling. I get wanting to do something as a bucket list thing, but when Hershel Walker did it, he was an elite athlete. When Brock did it, he was a NCAA champion, and a freakazoid athlete. I still do not know what Dana White and the UFC were thinking. It was only ever going to go one way.
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2 hours ago, The Swanton825 said:
Yep, I truly believe that Punk actually spent those two years doing MMA training full-time and didn't wait to start seriously training until Dana White got impatient with him. It's either that or Gracie BJJ is a total scam and they only gave Punk a black belt because he was a minor celebrity, but when have the Gracies ever been known to be scumbags? ...Oh, right.
And frankly, not using roids or HGH would make his healing time longer but it shouldn't make him so frail that a stiff breeze could make him break a bone. If that wasn't the case then Brody King would be hurt all the time too. (Cue King developing an injury bug now)
He spent almost 4 years training actually. He was doing commentary for CES while he was doing it. Original plan was to do local Chicago amateur fights and then go pro but Dana got wind of it, and wanted him to fight for the UFC and offered him big money to do it.
Also he's a blue belt, under Duke Rufus. Don't know where the hell you got that he's a black-belt.
No. HGH and Testosterone management do absolute wonders, especially for guys in their 40s and 50s. Look at guys like Vitor Belfort on and off the stuff. It's night and day. You recover faster, train harder, your endurance goes up, you get stronger because you can go longer, it's literally night and day.
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16 hours ago, Mootinie said:
Considering AEW is the promotion of stables, I would totally vibe with Saraya starting a group, Britt Baker starting a group, and having them build to a 5 vs 5 match somewhere down the line. If you cannot get Saraya cleared and you're concerned about how her body is going to hold up, having her drive a story that leads to a match where she just has to play the hits is certainly the direction I would go in.
For what goal? What does having her involved do exactly? Did you see what happened to Tua Tagovailoa on TNF? Right now the team is actively covering up that to avoid a huge lawsuit from the NFLPA, BTW. And all so he could play in a week 4 game. People have gone insane.
What does anyone get for doing this? Is she going to make people care about women's wrestling? No. Is she going to have a classic moment that will live beyond her? No. Is she going to get anybody else over? No.
What's the endgame? A vanity project for someone who worked for the other guys? I just don't get it.
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4 hours ago, The Swanton825 said:
Edge IS getting close to 50 and has had multiple devastating injuries over the course of his career. Punk makes way less sense when you realize he's only in his early 40s, had most of his 30s off from wrestling and yet he's become so old and frail. He's starting to remind me of that "I was born with glass bones and paper skin" bit from Spongebob.
Edge is a lifer though. Wrestling is all he ever wanted to do. After 2013, Wrestling was literally the last thing Punk wanted to do, and I can tell you nothing is worse on your body than training MMA full-time. He was breaking down in WWE, doing MMA probably made that worse. Also, there's the consideration that Punk is straight edge. No Roids, No HGH. Big factor.
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3 hours ago, djskeemask said:
Makhai likes to stir the pot. Don't let it get under your skin.
You haven't even see me try yet. That's the funny part. I have this incredible reputation around here, and I haven't even lifted a finger to earn it, beyond have a different opinion then you three or four times a year when I swing by to grab some mods or renders.
It's hilarious.
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8 hours ago, Matt_Black said:
You may not think so, but Saraya IS a big name. The only free agents that could have gotten an equal or bigger pop than she did are AJ Lee and Sasha/ Mercedes, and I don't see either one of them showing up in AEW anytime soon.
And the WWE probably did bend the rules for Edge. They bend the rules for lots of people that Vince thinks are draw, like that time Brock tested positive for steroids but wasn't disciplined at all because "something something part time status", or how Jimmy Uso can get his third DUI and then get handed the tag team belts immediately after. But when Naomi would rather DEFEND the tag titles on the PPV instead of getting fed to Bianca, who really shouldn't need any more build at this point, WELL NOW, the WWE has to take a firm hard stand!
Back to the issue at hand- all her issues aside, Saraya is a big name, and her return was the most talked about Grand Slam moment. Of the many issues with AEW women's division, one of them has been that they've not had a Jericho, or even a Mox, someone established and over who can get eyes on the product and elevate talent. Saraya could certainly do the former, and hey, Willow Nightingale & Skye Blue actually got to be on Dynamite! So maybe it will work. Even if she never gets cleared, if she were to act as a manager, that might boost the profile of someone like Willow or Skye.Go outside and ask anybody who a Saraya is, and tell me again she's a big star. If they know her, it's from the reality show, or the fappening hack. That's the reality of things. Don't take it personal.
The WWE didn't bend the rules for Edge, btw. He was cleared before he even approached the WWE about coming back. But she feels that they have similar injuries, and if he can, she can. I don't have a copy of the x-rays, I don't know what the deal is with that. But that's why she doesn't like the WWE atm and that's why she jumped. The end.
The fact she's having such a hard time getting cleared though tells me this is probably a very bad idea.
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9 hours ago, CQI13 said:
Much like Punk, Edge just looks...old. At least he looks infinitely better with the short hair than when he came back with the long hair. I'll enjoy it for what it is, but haven't been a fan for a while.
Hard disagree. Grizzled Vet Edge was a great look. His best ever, honestly. They really squandered his return by locking him in that feud with Randy Orton and getting baited into trying to get him his "6-star Meltzer" match.
While it was absolutely the best work he's ever done, in-ring. He could have done business with the belt. Instead he hurt himself trying to do the perfect move so they could edit it into "The Greatest Wrestling Match Ever!" The triceps tear and then returning into a mid-card mixed tag feud was also, odd. And the whole heel-turn into this Rey Mysterio thing is just so far beneath him IMO.
Now he's talking about retiring. And it's just very sad.
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2 hours ago, Dawn said:
Why is Saraya out of all people taking shots at WWE? Did I miss something? Might be because I read my news on the wrong website but I could swear she was one of the better treated people in there for everything that happened with her and everything she did that could have painted their image negatively.
They wouldn't let her wrestle again. She couldn't get cleared by their doctors. That was the end of it for them. She felt they bent the rules for Edge, but not for her. She feels like she is a big star, and wants to have her Edge Royal Rumble moment because wrestling is all her family has ever done, she has no identity without it, and she will literally Randy the Ram this if TK lets her.
That's the long and the short of it.
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3 hours ago, CQI13 said:
Don't the heels feel dumb now that they ran away from a 4 on 1 against someone who isn't looking to get physically involved. 😂
Let me clarify. She came back to wrestle. She's running around as we speak getting looked at by every quack doctor this side of the Potomac, she'll get cleared, she'll work her match with Baker or whoever, and then they will see if she holds up.
I think this is one of the dumbest things TK has ever done, there's no upside to this, she was a mediocre DIVA in a bygone era at her best. I am sorry that she had more potential then that, but she's 30 with a broken neck now. Those years are gone and so is that potential. She has a history of drug abuse as well. I do not see the upside, and the risk here is enormous that she gets hurt again and becomes a cripple on your PPV.
I do not know why you even entertain this.
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I don't think I've been this excited for a dork-ball comedy in a good while. But here we are.
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On 9/24/2022 at 7:45 PM, milamber said:
Would have made it a bit less pointless. Like imagine if Wardlow had a sudden title match with Serpentico instead of Nese (who's a jobber but actually on TV). Not that it would have changed the Diamante/Jade match much... even Athena didn't last 5 minutes against her. TK needs to hurry up and execute his TBS end-game... or actually come up with one.
This is his endgame. Jade Cargill is his Chyna. He's going to ram it down your throat until you like it. It's very obvious he doesn't like booking the girls. It's very obvious that he knows that everytime they go on his TV program he loses exactly 1/5th of his viewers, no matter what, and he would prefer just sending them off to their own program and getting them out of his toy box.
So I wouldn't be expecting Maki Itoh or Stardom's loli-cosplayers that don't even do 1,000 horny old dudes in 4,000 seat gyms in Japan most nights to suddenly show up on this program anytime soon.
The All Elite Wrestling Discussion Thread
in The Dog Pound
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At the time, Dinner Debonair was lapped up by all of you. And the feud was a net win for MJF, who went over in the end. MJF became a star off this. His ratings draw starts here.
And I want to make clear that I would ask Jericho where his wife was on Jan. 6th to his face. I hate the fact you are putting me in a position to defend him.