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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dirtsheets" data-cite="Dirtsheets" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> According to one source, the reports that claim Batista refused to work a program with Daniel Bryan are untrue.<p> </p><p> A source recently told ProWrestling.net, "WWE wants that story out, but it's all twisted. (Batista) would do five jobs for Bryan. They've f---ed him in money, booking, broken promises (relating to his) schedule, and promoting his (outside projects)."</p><p> </p><p> The source continued, "Had that not happened, he would be around until late June, but because Vince (McMahon) f---ed him, he's not, so they dragged Daniel Bryan into this to vilify Batista. Daniel is beloved and a martyr so he benefits, but it has nothing to do with jobbing. They've twisted. It's classic Vince. Look at Ultimate Warrior and SummerSlam, Bret Hart in Montreal. (Vince) puts out his narrative. There are always two sides."</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <a href="http://rajah.com/" rel="external nofollow">http://rajah.com/</a></p><p> </p><p> ^Same site that said Daniel Bryan would get his comeuppances at Wrestlemania 30 after the Chamber "debacle" because of Punk's leaving and Bryan not feuding with anyone. If I remember correctly Chris Masters was revealed to be in contact with a guy who has the blog on the site not too long ago and even did an exclusive interview with him after his release. The guy revealed he had numerous people under contract with WWE talking to him at the time but wouldn't reveal their names for obvious reasons.</p><p> </p><p> Classic Vince indeed, no superstar that left on his watch has ever been greeted back into his fold without Vince giving them an extremely hard time with numerous broken promises. Poor guy, he's definitely been giving the screws. No doubt Batista was originally suppose to win the title, the guy should be pissed.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="rd_dbacks01" data-cite="rd_dbacks01" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I know! It's been stuck in my head all day. I know a lot of people hate the gimmick, but I think it is great. A very catchy song for the crowd to hum, and I could see him doing some pre-show party stuff for the crowd to get them going. I don't see him as a main eventer any time soon, but a very solid midcarder for a year or two.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> His gimmick is essentially a complete rip off of Russel Brand from "Get Him To The Greek". He'll have to be impressive in the ring to win a lot of people over, it's not like it's going to grow on people either like Bad News Barrett did. The guy screams d-bag party goer. With that said, it would've been better for him to debut as a heel as I don't see many current WWE fans relating with a party goer gimmick.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You do realize that was the EXACT thing that made Sting/Hogan so anticipated right?<p> </p><p> If two guys fight every week who cares enough to pay money to see it happen? Hogan always getting away just barely made people thirsty to see Sting get to him in an actual match where he would be forced to fight him.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's not what I meant, the show wasn't built around Sting killing Hogan until After Luger/Hogan finished their feud. That's when Bishoff started teasing the crowd that Hogan vs Sting would end in Hogan winning which led to one of Sting's many beatdowns of Bishoff. Until then it had been Luger being built up as the top babyface while he was fed to Hogan.</p><p> </p><p> Sting was a backdrop to whatever the nWo/Hogan was doing until then. Sting wasn't the guy, Hogan was and Hogan was the guy since he walked into WCW. Sting seems to think so aswell.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sting didn't need to wrestle to garner heat for the storyline and it's one of the finest examples of a slow burn storyline there is. Fans nowadays would never go for it. I was strictly talking about the Sting/Hogan feud and Sting more than carried his weight in the storyline. Sting not wrestling was actually part of the storyline itself. Him prodding people with his bat to test allegiance and the things I previously mentioned were insanely over.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We're talking about two different things then. I'm fully aware that Sting vs Hogan may have been the best built feud in history and Starrcade 1997 should've been the WWF's ultimate demise because of that feud alone. I mean a 1.90 buyrate from Starrcade 1997 is up there with Domestic Wrestlemania buyrates of today. However, WCW was built in 1997 around the nWo and specifically Hogan getting heat over whomever he was feuding with at that particular time. It was him getting heat usually by underhand cheating that lead him to beating Piper, Luger, The Giant or whoever he was feuding with at the time and the ending of said match was to lead into a usual "Sting" chant for the save. He was the top babyface, no doubt, WCW however was all about building up the nWo to be that second brand until it's test run flopped the week prior to Starrcade.</p><p> </p><p> Usually when Sting did make the save, he'd immediately attack Virgil sorry "Vincent" as Hogan fled. That's how they built up the Hogan vs Sting feud for nearly a year. And trust me, that happened a lot more then him getting his hands on Hogan. That was Hogan's secondary feud for the majority of the year that intensified after Hogan no longer had any opponents to beat, specifically after his Luger feud ended. That's when we'd see Hogan flee as Sting sent his masked Stingers in there only to be fed a beating. Or as Sting hailed from the rafters with a vulture as Hogan and the rest of the nWo peed their pants. Until then, Hogan had the Nitro show built around his waste and they were ready to give him a separate show to carry which would've been the exclusive nWo themed show but like I wrote in my other paragraph above, that test nWo themed Nitro show bombed hard.</p><p> </p><p> And my main point from my previous post was that Sting wasn't much of a draw as the Surfer Sting and that WCW buyrates weren't that impressive before Hogan came into the fold. Like I said, Bret Hart and Diesel were the main attractions for the WWF that were outdrawing the Sting led WCW. Both Bret and Diesel were far from elite draws. It wasn't until Sting changed his gimmick in late 1996 that he became a elite draw. And that didn't happen over night as Sting had a year of build up before people wanted to see Sting takeout Hogan as Hogan had the brand built around him for years until then.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So you think that Hogan's contract was so big that it was the only thing responsible for them not being able to turn a profit (allegedly)<p> </p><p> Please do explain</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Bishoff admits to WCW only pulling a profit in 1997/1998. Both his book and the WWE DVD reiterate this. </p><p> </p><p> Plus Hogan getting paid $250,000 per appearance. This is included along with his $4,000,000 guaranteed contract. Which is why WCW told Russo to stop booking Hogan in 2000.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're really underestimating how over Sting was. It has to be because you're too young to have actually watched Sting and Hogan's feud occur, but the 18 Month build between Sting and Hogan is one of the coolest and hottest things in wrestling ever and Sting didn't even have to open his mouth or wrestle. He stood in the rafters, sent Sting armies to the ring, sent vultures to the ring, and single handedly manhandled the entire nWo numerous times. I'm not taking anything away from Hogan's drawing power and spot in WCW, but to write off Sting as an afterthought is just ludicrous.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm too young? I'm 21 and I'm fully aware Sting was massively over with the WCW crowd as I was a huge Sting mark going back to as early as 1998 when TSN got it on at a reasonable hour. I know his surfer gimmick was gigantically over prior to the gimmick change but PPV buyrates and TV ratings don't lie, before Hogan came in the WWF had Bret Hart and Kevin Nash outdrawing Sting. Those guys are not elite draws by all means, but that tells you the perception of Sting not being an elite draw until the Crow gimmick. He's not an afterthought at all, however he didn't wrestle a single match for an entire year from 1996/1997 and ratings seemed to increase in that span. Ratings jumped and Hogan/the nWo were all over those shows.</p><p> </p><p> Of course ratings were climbing at an insane point when Sting began to wrestle again in extremely late 1997/1998, the argument could easily be made that WCW changed focus for a few months until Hogan got greedy and wanted to be champion again. Go look up WCW's ratings post Starrcade 1997 until April 20/1998 when Vince vs Austin was teased.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hogan drew monstrous numbers for WCW even in 1995 the average buyrates for Hogan in a singles match compared to the ones without were 131% higher</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I still doubt they did good enough business to warrant the contract they gave him during that time. Hogan was a draw, no doubt about it. However BATB1994 was one of the few PPV's prior to 1997 that they actually made money on as the company didn't turn a profit until 1997/1998 when they had the Monday Night Wars on their side.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Swanton825" data-cite="The Swanton825" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hogan did it because he wasn't, no matter what he will claim, the top guy in WCW. They had Sting already secured in that spot before Hogan even arrived. And Hogan wasn't exactly popular with WCW fans to begin with, turning him heel was more in response to the whole southern (barring Florida) audience despising him and not buying his merch than the smarks in the crowd finding him boring.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So people payed money to see Sting in the Rafters for 40 seconds each night from 1996-1997? You know how ridiculous that sounds, right? Hogan was the man in WCW and to say anything else is just uninformed, Sting may have been the most popular guy in WCW. However, once Hogan signed that 4 million dollar per year guarantee contract(+$250,000 per appearance) in 1994 he instantly became the focal point of the WCW brand. Sting admitted recently in an interview he was insanely jealous of Hogan taking his spot in WCW, so I'm not the only one who believed the company changed focus.</p><p> </p><p> Hogan was getting rejected for years even prior to him signing with WCW, a huge example of him getting booed was at the Royal Rumble in 1992 when Sid Vicious eliminated him to a thunderous positive response. What's funny about that spot is that the WWE did so much editing back then to make sure people didn't know Hogan was getting booed, they actually edited the audio for that spot during the event and made it sound like they booed Hogan's elimination. This continued for the next year or so and you can guess why Hogan left when WCW offered a ridiculous guaranteed contract in 1994.</p><p> </p><p> Hogan actually drew pretty well for his initial first few months in WCW. Hogan vs Flair at BATB1994 drew a 1.02 PPV buyrate which was their highest PPV buyrate for 3 years until Halloween Havoc 1997(Piper vs Hogan WHC) and Hogan's WCW merchandise was popular among children. However once Hogan started facing non-threats like the Dungeon of Doom buyrates soured on Hogan.</p><p> </p><p> So yes, Hogan was the face of WCW. If it wasn't, ratings would've plummeted in 1996/1997 when the nWo was destroying every top babyface the company had, while Sting stayed in the rafters for a 40 second spot.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You don't honestly believe John Cena won't win three more world championships do you? Also if HHH cares that much about title reigns and won't let Cena break Flair's record why would he let him have more reigns than himslef? Also you realize HHH is extremely busy running NXT as well as helping run RAW and he's not the final guy in charge with vice still very much in charge. I'm going to guess this is just blind guessing of pre conceived notions about people you've read things about through fourth and fifth hand information <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> also John cena not only is the top merchandise mover he sells FIVE times more than the number TWO spot there is no heel turn in sight for this guy likely ever.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There is no way Cena wins 3 more titles, the next title reign of his will likely be his last then he tries to tie Flair's record which will likely lead to a huge storyline of him trying to do so. He could turn heel, which I never said is a sure thing to happen, it just worked well for the previous precedent of the same gimmick user. And you know, only started the biggest boom period in Wrestling History. So there's no upside to that right? Cena like Hogan, had fans boo his shtick for years.</p><p> </p><p> And you're misinformed of Cena's merchandise selling. Punk WAS #1 in sells during his initial Main Event push in 2011. I remember this specifically because of how hot his character was until he started losing continuously for the next 3 PPV's, yet merchandise wasn't affected until around the end of 2011 and beyond when Cena regained that top spot in merchandise because of poor CM Punk booking.</p><p> </p><p> And if you really think Vince is going to make calls without informing Triple H of creative, you must not know who's inheriting the business when the 68 year old former long time steroid user and reportedly ex-cocaine user Vince McMahon dies. Triple H has been in-charge of creative for over the last year, Vince just signs off on stuff now. It's been a phase out of Vince's priorities for the last couple of years or so, which is why you see so many new stars being built up instead of the same status quo that's continued for the past 6-7 years.</p>

<p>Cena's had the same gimmick since late 2006 when he dropped rapping and became "The Marine", do people really need another reason to boo the man?</p><p> </p><p> Both The Rock and Hogan started getting booed by the end of their reigns as top Babyfaces, they both successfully turned Heel and went onto draw lots of money as Heels. Hogan more so then The Rock since Rocky left to Hollywood, but like Cena, Hogan had years of built up hate from the fans turning on him to the point when he turned Heel it started a boom era for wrestling.</p><p> </p><p> Also, It's not like Cena's going to pass Flair's reign of 16 World Title's while Triple H is running the show, he'd rather break the record himself then have Cena crap all over his idol's legacy lol. You can only have Cena chase the title so many times and lose under his current gimmick before even the casual 7-year old Cena mark starts rooting for someone who wins big matches. </p><p> </p><p> After all, Cena's gimmick is essentially the guy who wins big matches.</p>

<p>He gets a bad rap from most of the IWC because he's big and muscly meathead. If you haven't noticed the most popular guy currently in the WWE is a guy who's 5'7 and 170 pounds. He's a complete polar opposite of their favorite wrestler.</p><p> </p><p> Not to mention people wanted to see a cocky arrogant heel Batista when he came back, and we got a watered down babyface one. Give it a few months before he starts feuding with Cena and the IWC will regain their love for him like they did before he left in 2010. Anyone who feuds with Cena gets automatic babyface reactions from the IWC.</p>

This is nuts, my brother and I were watching Raw and he said Warrior was going to give himself a heart attack by working himself into a frenzy as a joke during his promo. Absolutely shocking that he actually ended up dieing. R.I.P Warrior.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mjdgoldeneye" data-cite="mjdgoldeneye" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> <div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/zjHtxPew5Os?start=45&feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="WWE's Undertaker, Brock Lesnar Exchange Words Following UFC 121"></iframe></div></div></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, apparently WWE wanted Lesnar to fight Undertaker at Wrestlemania 27 but Brock was under contract to the UFC at the time and Dana White forbid Lesnar from working the match because of contractual obligations. This was all talked about a long time ago, apparently Vince had a meeting with Dana White in person a little while after this "confrontation" and tried to convince Dana to allow the match to happen in some sort of a co-promotion angle, it didn't happen and then he tried to get Dana White to wrestle himself at Wrestlemania lol. Dana White talked about that during one of his many interviews.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Exactly and now it makes Brock even a bigger threat because he was the man who broke "the streak". If Daniel Bryan keeps the title think about the Paul E. Dangerously promos and how great they will be. Talking about how his client was the one who broke the streak and now he is setting his sights on Daniel Bryan.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't know if you do that right away, let Bryan finish his feud with Orton/Batista and then have him move onto Lesnar. Lesnar vs. Bryan should be the main event of Summerslam if anything.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Warhawk8492" data-cite="Warhawk8492" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Brock Lesnar winning was Vince Russo booking. It has severely damaged my opinion of Brock Lesnar. I have gone from being a Brock Lesnar fan to a borderline hater. Maybe I am just angry but this is terrible booking.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think Undertaker did the best thing for the business in my opinion. The Streak was the only thing keeping him a draw. If he's going to retire, which is a real possibility, he might as well put someone over in the best way anyone can. He performed the old "time honored tradition" and he put over someone who still has an aurora of a believable badass.</p><p> </p><p> It's not like his skills in the ring haven't deteriorated either, he showed tonight he's still capable of putting on a decent match but those days of stealing Wrestlemania are over. Apparently the guy had surgery after everyone of his last 3 Wrestlemania matches lol. It was only a matter of time before he became so limited he wasn't even able to take a bump anymore like Hogan.</p>