Hashasheen Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 In 2001, two of the largest American wrestling promotions died, and the WWE finally became the most dominant promotion in the USA. With that came a glut of talented veterans and rising talents from ECW & WCW, combined with their own wrestlers and veterans and developmental talent. Some home-grown talent were released, such as K-kwik (R-truth). Developmental wrestlers were cut loose (Spanky, American Dragon, etc...). And a large amount of ex-WCW and ECW wrestlers were released over the years. My question to you is this: Say WCW never collapsed. Say ECW stayed in its tertiary position despite serious financial problems, or collapsed at a later date. What would the WWE roster have looked like, from 2001-06? What would it look like with the WCW talents like Booker T, the Radicalz, Scott Steiner, the cruiserweights, the Natural Born Thrillers, etc... still in WCW? (To be clear, I'm asking about what the WWE would look like, not WCW.) Would the Hardyz, Edge & Christian split to anchor the mid-card/upper-card? Would talents raided from ECW like Rob Van Dam, Super Crazy, Yoshihiro Taijiri be the answer? Would we have seen a Brand Extension? Would developmental wrestlers and indie talent get called up earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 WWF would have had little choice but to push at least one new guy into the main event scene and I think they would have dropped the stupid comedy from Angle's character and made him a more serious heel. The Radicalz left WCW the year before so they would still be in the WWF but even with WCW still around Benoit, and Jericho, wouldn't have moved up much; in fact, their big win over Austin and Triple H, which ultimately meant nothing, probably wouldn't have happened. ECW would have folded anyway and I think we'd have seen the same guys come into the WWF as we did in real life. RVD would have ended up the same way; getting over far more than he was booked to and being pegged back to his 'rightful' level. As far as WCW, it would depend on the mindset and mentality of those running it. If Eric Bischoff had been able to purchase WCW with Fusient, I think we would have seen an honest effort to push new guys to the top. I don't think it would have worked, however, because Bischoff has always been enamoured with 'star power' and I think the top names still around would have eventually convinced him that O'Haire or whoever were the new young stars don't have what it takes, and we'd get the same cast of old guys on top. In real life, I don't think Eric learned a thing from the death of WCW and in an alternate reality, I don't think he'd have learned a thing from WCW's near death, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 WWF would have had little choice but to push at least one new guy into the main event scene and I think they would have dropped the stupid comedy from Angle's character and made him a more serious heel. The Radicalz left WCW the year before so they would still be in the WWF but even with WCW still around Benoit, and Jericho, wouldn't have moved up much; in fact, their big win over Austin and Triple H, which ultimately meant nothing, probably wouldn't have happened. ECW would have folded anyway and I think we'd have seen the same guys come into the WWF as we did in real life. RVD would have ended up the same way; getting over far more than he was booked to and being pegged back to his 'rightful' level. Interesting. I'm not sure, but wasn't Jericho supposed to have a program with Austin while HHH was out? As far as WCW, it would depend on the mindset and mentality of those running it. If Eric Bischoff had been able to purchase WCW with Fusient, I think we would have seen an honest effort to push new guys to the top. I don't think it would have worked, however, because Bischoff has always been enamoured with 'star power' and I think the top names still around would have eventually convinced him that O'Haire or whoever were the new young stars don't have what it takes, and we'd get the same cast of old guys on top. In real life, I don't think Eric learned a thing from the death of WCW and in an alternate reality, I don't think he'd have learned a thing from WCW's near death, either. I'm not worried about WCW, so don't bother spending time on what they would have developed. This is a thought exercise for a WCW 2000 dynasty I'm working on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabbo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Well the Radicalz had joined long before WCW's collapse and the only people to have made serious impacts upon the WWE from the WCW roster they inherited was Rey Mysterio, Booker T and Ric Flair. You could argue Hogan too, I guess. But you have to go much further back otherwise continuing WCW on from March 2001 just means the ratings would continued to fall and all the decent talent would have jumped ship anyway. Maybe Goldberg, DDP, Hall and Nash, Sting, Steiner and Flair would have had several more years as credible main eventers but it would have meant very little to the WWE. Vince would have continued to purge ECW as they were doing for years before. Maybe guys like Danielson, Punk, Low Ki and whatnot would have reached the top faster through ECW's exposure but the end result would have been the same that being them ending up in the WWE. The biggest change would be the sheer fact WWE would have recognisable opposition in WCW that their program may have taken a different turn completely in order to keep on top. Otherwise, I doubt much else would have changed. Cena, Batista, Edge, Big Show, Triple H, Undertaker, Austin, Rock, Lesnar and HBK would have ruled the WWE and wrestling regardless of WCW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Otherwise, I doubt much else would have changed. Cena, Batista, Edge, Big Show, Triple H, Undertaker, Austin, Rock, Lesnar and HBK would have ruled the WWE and wrestling regardless of WCW. This might be the most interesting aspect of this discussion; the Glut forced the WWE to do the brand split. And while guys like Lesnar and Batista seem like no-brainers, some of the other big stars that got created weren't exactly slam dunks: --if you believe the dirt sheets, the only guy behind the scenes who really believed in Cena was Heyman and Steph. And that 'white rapper' character was given the green light by Steph as well. So with no Paul and no Steph, how fast and how far does Cena get pushed? Do we actually get 'Super Cena' w/o that rapper character which got him over to begin with? --even with Orton's pedigree and background, he was given a REALLY big push early, partly because the Raw roster had an opening. Maybe Orton gets to the top, but probably nowhere near as fast. I also think that guys like Rey and Goldberg still end up leaving the WCW to go to the WWE eventually, but how much longer does it take? How do they get trreated? That makes a difference too. Does Vince continue to protect 'his guys' by not giving WCW signees their just treatment until years down the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> I also think that guys like Rey and Goldberg still end up leaving the WCW to go to the WWE eventually, but how much longer does it take? How do they get trreated? That makes a difference too. Does Vince continue to protect 'his guys' by not giving WCW signees their just treatment until years down the road?</p></div></blockquote><p> ... Why would Rey jump? Goldberg was a money-whore, but why would Rey jump to the WWE?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <p>Money (Rey's got the reputation as a bit of a diva) and the greater marketability. Rey in his mask was a merchandise machine when he first arrived. That doesnt happen in the WCW.</p><p> </p><p> Plus, as Fant pointed out, the Radicalz had already left. So all of his closest friends were alredy in the WWE. A chance to work with Eddie, Dean, and Chris PLUS the opportunity to make more money AND making himself accessible to more Latin markets...?</p><p> </p><p> Why would he have stayed is the better question.</p><p> </p><p> PS I also think there's No JBL push w/o a brand split.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Money (Rey's got the reputation as a bit of a diva) and the greater marketability. Rey in his mask was a merchandise machine when he first arrived. That doesnt happen in the WCW.</div></blockquote> I see. <p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Plus, as Fant pointed out, the Radicalz had already left. So all of his closest friends were alredy in the WWE. A chance to work with Eddie, Dean, and Chris PLUS the opportunity to make more money AND making himself accessible to more Latin markets...?<p> </p><p> Why would he have stayed is the better question.</p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote> Look at my OP. This is for a dynasty where the Radicalz stay in WCW. I haven't gotten past his and Kidman's feud with Los Villanos for him to regain his mask yet. <p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> PS I also think there's No JBL push w/o a brand split.</p></div></blockquote><p> So he'd stay with Farooq in the team or would he be a midcarder?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <p>I see...</p><p> </p><p> Well, if Eddie stays and Dean stays, I think it's easier to see Rey in WCW long-term BUT ( and this is where your personal vision of your diary kicks in) Rey was seen as the centerpiece of the WWE's push to market to a more urban/latin audience, which was important to them, especially with the audience that tended to watch the UPN network that carried Smackdown. </p><p> </p><p> The E would've dumped a truckload of money on him, promised him a god push, given him back his mask, and shown him the opportunity to become one of the biggest latino wrestling stars in US history. </p><p> </p><p> WCW ..well..they didn't and probbaly wouldn't have done that. </p><p> </p><p> Just MO</p><p> </p><p> As for JBL, without the brand split I honestly think he ends up as amidcarder for a while and then gets cut once it's obvious he's nt getting over as a cowboy/brawler type. He probably ends up in WCW playing something similar to the traditional Barry Windham/Dustin Rhodes cowboy type</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I see...<p> </p><p> Well, if Eddie stays and Dean stays, I think it's easier to see Rey in WCW long-term BUT ( and this is where your personal vision of your diary kicks in) Rey was seen as the centerpiece of the WWE's push to market to a more urban/latin audience, which was important to them, especially with the audience that tended to watch the UPN network that carried Smackdown. </p><p> </p><p> The E would've dumped a truckload of money on him, promised him a god push, given him back his mask, and shown him the opportunity to become one of the biggest latino wrestling stars in US history. </p><p> </p><p> WCW ..well..they didn't and probably wouldn't have done that. </p><p> </p><p> Just MO</p></div></blockquote> I see what you mean. FYI, over 2000 & 2001 I planned to jettison many of the cruiserweight veterans to freshen up the division, so Rey jumping to the WWE in 2001/02 would not be unexpected. It'd kill my latino appeal to some degree, but with the Guerreros and some new blood from down south that could be glossed over. <p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> As for JBL, without the brand split I honestly think he ends up as a midcarder for a while and then gets cut once it's obvious he's nt getting over as a cowboy/brawler type. He probably ends up in WCW playing something similar to the traditional Barry Windham/Dustin Rhodes cowboy type</p></div></blockquote><p> Interesting. Question, what about Test? Test kinda got lost around 2000 when Triple H got his main-event push, but with no Radicalz, he could still maintain himself in a mid-card position and rebuild himself to a push.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <p>Test had a lot of potential, but he was like a smaller but better in-ring, less mic-skill and charisma, version of Kevin Nash. </p><p> </p><p> And I liked Test. He had the look to be a good face... but there was simply too much talent in the WWE then, even without the WCW guys. He was a midcarder at best. Had he come along now, he would be a big hit.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Interesting. Question, what about Test? Test kinda got lost around 2000 when Triple H got his main-event push, but with no Radicalz, he could still maintain himself in a mid-card position and rebuild himself to a push.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> amp is <em>probably </em> right but from an alternate history diary standpoint, it's always fun to imagine someone like Test (or Mike Awesome or Chuck Palumbo or whatever) making it big when they came up short inreality</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Test had a lot of potential, but he was like a smaller but better in-ring, less mic-skill and charisma, version of Kevin Nash. <p> </p><p> And I liked Test. He had the look to be a good face... but there was simply too much talent in the WWE then, even without the WCW guys. He was a midcarder at best. Had he come along now, he would be a big hit.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hm...</p><p> </p><p> Kurt Angle</p><p> Chris Jericho</p><p> Tazz</p><p> Hardy Boys </p><p> Edge & Christian</p><p> William Regal (mid-2000 I think)</p><p> </p><p> That's all I could think off. 8 guys, four of whom were dominating the tag-team division at the time.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I can see skipping ahead of Tazz... who already was probably going to stop wrestling regarldess of the death of WCW or not, because of his injuries (and not wanting to do surgery). He would have probably bumped up higher than Regal. The thing with Test is... I'm not so sure he would have broken any higher than Upper Midcarder. He feel down the card fast with bad booking. (This is similar story with Val Venis). And I thought Test was close to being something special, but then again, I thought the same for Mark Jindrak and Sean O'Haire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 I can see skipping ahead of Tazz... who already was probably going to stop wrestling regardless of the death of WCW or not, because of his injuries (and not wanting to do surgery). He would have probably bumped up higher than Regal. Interesting... Regal's been a consistent player for 10 years now with the WWE. Do you think he might have ever gotten a chance to shine with the world title? The thing with Test is... I'm not so sure he would have broken any higher than Upper Midcarder. He feel down the card fast with bad booking. (This is similar story with Val Venis). And I thought Test was close to being something special, but then again, I thought the same for Mark Jindrak and Sean O'Haire. On that note, what kind of gimmick would you have given Jindrak? Because his WCW & WWE stuff never really got him over, and his lucha gimmick is something I've seen very little of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Interesting... Regal's been a consistent player for 10 years now with the WWE. Do you think he might have ever gotten a chance to shine with the world title? On that note, what kind of gimmick would you have given Jindrak? Because his WCW & WWE stuff never really got him over, and his lucha gimmick is something I've seen very little of. Mark Jindrak was an incredibly talented, but he got lost in the shuffle. O'Haire was flashier and more exciting, but not as solid as Jindrak was. They made a good tag team. The thing is, unlike O'Haire, he lacked Menace. I mean, he had a good look, but that almost goes without saying, if you want it in the WWE (with a few exceptions). O'Haire had the "Look" AND was incredibly menacing. Like test, Jindrak was just not pushed as hard as they could have. I think he lost heart over time, which is why he isn't back. As for Regal, he might be a stable hand, but he isn't exactly the WWE's type. If they had other choices to push, they would have pushed them instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I think a lot of these questions are really interesting things look at in terms of a diary. If you're thinking along the lines of "what if" Regal had a ton of talent, was given a medium sized push biography was when his bio was published, and would've made an awesome opponent for Benoit, Eddie, etc on SD. In a 'what if' diary i think Regal getting a 'JBL' type push is conceivable. Jindrak: he had a great, if somewhat generic look. In a 'what if' scenario, I always thought that he'd have made a great partner for someone like Chris Masters or Matt Morgan..they could've played up the 'arrogant blue chipper' thing and had them wear matching robes or whatever. Again....in a diary, going off sideways makes for an interesting read, especially i an alt history deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think a lot of these questions are really interesting things look at in terms of a diary.<p> </p><p> If you're thinking along the lines of "what if" Regal had a ton of talent, was given a medium sized push biography was when his bio was published, and would've made an awesome opponent for Benoit, Eddie, etc on SD. In a 'what if' diary i think Regal getting a 'JBL' type push is conceivable. </p><p> </p><p> Jindrak: he had a great, if somewhat generic look. In a 'what if' scenario, I always thought that he'd have made a great partner for someone like Chris Masters or Matt Morgan..they could've played up the 'arrogant blue chipper' thing and had them wear matching robes or whatever. </p><p> </p><p> Again....in a diary, going off sideways makes for an interesting read, especially i an alt history deal</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks for the info. I'm doing this in an out-of-game dynasty since a lot of what I'm doing and is described isn't as interesting as to do in-game. There's a lot of long-term focus and planning related not just to producing a show but expanding brand awareness for WCW. Still, with the planning I've made, I'm still curious as to what Vince McMahon would have done and who he would have pushed, and while I can't ask him (though that would be an interesting conversation if nothing else), you guys are a good second choice.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks for the info. I'm doing this in an out-of-game dynasty since a lot of what I'm doing and is described isn't as interesting as to do in-game. There's a lot of long-term focus and planning related not just to producing a show but expanding brand awareness for WCW. Still, with the planning I've made, I'm still curious as to what Vince McMahon would have done and who he would have pushed, and while I can't ask him (though that would be an interesting conversation if nothing else), you guys are a good second choice.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In all seriousness it sounds very interesting and I'd definitely want to read it. </p><p> </p><p> In terms of writing a diary like tat, I'd be attempted to manufacture a 'big free agent signing' by having some alt history push given to a guy - like Regal for instance - who then ends up jumping to WCW.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In all seriousness it sounds very interesting and I'd definitely want to read it.</div></blockquote><p> <a href="http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php/wcw/the_new_millenium?s" rel="external nofollow">http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php/wcw/the_new_millenium?s</a>[]=wcw</p><p> </p><p> I've made it as realistic as possible thus far in that I haven't signed any names WCW didn't have (and let go of a lot), and have only recruited a good batch of independent wrestlers to short term contracts to try them out, along with rising Power Plant workers to "sink and float" test them as it were. Thanks to ddtdigest, I've been able to make it as realistic as possible with the incredible wealth of knowledge they have on house-shows, turnouts and matches. <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In terms of writing a diary like tat, I'd be attempted to manufacture a 'big free agent signing' by having some alt history push given to a guy - like Regal for instance - who then ends up jumping to WCW.</div></blockquote><p> Regal actually jumped from WCW to the WWF mid-February. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> But yeah, the WCW had a decent roster at the time, it was more about booking and correctly using their talent than anything else. This dynasty ends at March 26th, 2001 (day original WCW died), since it mostly was a personal challenge for me to see if I could book better than Bischoff/Russo, while utilizing the same roster from the get-go.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabbo Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 You can always go back and pick one event in history that may have changed everything. I've always liked thinking back to the impact of Hall and Nash joining WCW. If they hadn't, for whatever reason... The Outsiders, Hogan's heel turn and nWo would never have happened. WCW may have gone a different way with their programming. The WWF would have had two bigger main eventers locked in, certain other guys may have not got their break. The Rock in particular who didn't get along with the clique. Triple H would have never won the KOTR 1997, he would have won the 1996 tournament, as scheduled but he was removed due to the MSG incident. If he had won the 1996 event, Austin wouldn't have and 3:16 would never have been born. Who knows where his career would have gone from there. WCW may have been poaching younger talent from the WWF as Vince battles to maintain his strong roster with no competition from the nWo. This may have meant reluctant pushes for guys like Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho, Mysterio, Regal, Finlay, Alex Wright, Kanyon, Norton, Kidman and whatnot. WCW may never have poached Bret Hart with this new younger initiative combined with the WWF's growing success and reduced need to get him off the wagebill. No Montreal Screwjob, which means no heel McMahon. Another tick in the box against Austin becoming the biggest thing in wrestling ever. Without Rock and Austin, would the WWF have gone from strength to strength and conquered the entertainment world in 1999 and onwards? So many questions can derive from Hall and Nash not moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Question everyone. With a smaller roster, Brock Lesnar might not have gotten as a big push as he'd got. Or even if he did, would it have been overshadowed by the main-eventers or incoming signees like Goldberg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 <p>IMO he gets the EXACT same treatment. He was huge, had the exact look everyone in management loves, he had an impeccable amateur background, and -even at that young age- was the perfect heel when you gave him a mouthpiece. </p><p> </p><p> So he would obviously get a different manager, but to me Brock's push and his subsequent success is kind of inevitable.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30383" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>IMO he gets the EXACT same treatment. He was huge, had the exact look everyone in management loves, he had an impeccable amateur background, and -even at that young age- was the perfect heel when you gave him a mouthpiece. <p> </p><p> So he would obviously get a different manager, but to me Brock's push and his subsequent success is kind of inevitable.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Would he? I've been told him and Matt Morgan were meant to have each others gimmicks.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 <p>To me that wouldn't have made sense. They're similar, but Brock is much scarier and much MUCH more intimidating. </p><p> </p><p> Lesnar was the perfect storm of size, skill, athleticism, and look. The guy might end up in the NCAA HOF <em>and </em> h looked like the bad guy in an ation movie. </p><p> </p><p> I really don't see how he wouldn't have been given the God push one way or the other eventually.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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