yeah826 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 This thread is to help out HR for players who may have been great defenders but may not have the stats available or shown to prove. I would consider a defender either tier 1(A range) or tier 2(B range) so im going to do a list by decade to help HR with the database. Im listing the players I think have not already been updated in terms of defense ratings. 2010's Tier 1 Avery Bradley (Prd) Shane Battier (Prd) Luol Deng (Prd) Tier 2 (Psd) Tyson Chandler (Psd) Marc Gasol (Psd) Andre Iguoldala (Prd) Thabo Selfolosha (Prd) Tony Parker(Prd) Josh Smith (Psd) Tier 2 (Prd) Chuck Hayes(Psd) Roy Hibbert(Psd) Joakim Noah (Psd) Taj Gibson (Psd) Kyle Lowry(Prd) Rajon Rondo(Prd) Jimmy Butler(Prd) Luc Mbah A Moute (Psd) Chris Bosh(Psd) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist(Prd) Tier 2 Gerald Wallace (Psd)(Prd) Anderson Varejao(Psd) Deshawn Stevenson(Prd) Kirk Hinrich(Prd) Demarre Carrol (Prd) George Hill(Prd) 2000's Tier 1 Bruce Bowen(Prd) Raja Bell (Prd) Tayshaun Prince(Prd) Kevin Garnett(Psd) Tim Duncan(Psd) Ben Wallace(Psd) Tier 2 PJ Brown (Psd) Aaron Mckie (Prd) Trenton Hassell(Prd) 1990's Tier 1 Grant Hill (Prd) Charles Oakley (Psd) Horace Grant (Psd) Joe Dumars(Prd) Buck Williams(Psd) Dennis Rodman(Psd)(Prd) Tier 2 Rick Mahorn(Psd) Anthony Mason(Psd) Derrick McKey(Prd) John Starks(Prd) Robert Horry(Psd) 1980's Tier 1 Bill Lambier (Psd) Sidney Moncrief (Prd) Michael Cooper 6'5" (Prd) Dennis Johnson (Prd) Tier 2 Rodney Mccray (Psd)(Prd) Danny Vranes (Prd) AC Green (Psd) Bill Hanzlik (Prd) Jack Sikma(Psd) Bobby Jones(Prd)(Psd) I assume he's a great defender you can put him tier 1 if you want 1970's Tier 1 Wes Unseld C (Psd) Elvin Hayes PF (Psd) Dave DeBusschere PF (Psd) John Havlicek (Prd) Paul Silas PF (Psd) Jerry Sloan (Prd)(Steals) Jerry West (Steals) Walt Frazier (Prd)(Steals) Dave Cowens(Psd) Don Chaney(Steals)(Prd) Norm Van Lier(Steals)(Prd) Tier 2 Bob Love (Psd) Rudy Larusso (Psd) Mike Riordan(Prd) Bill Bradley SF (Prd) 1960's Tier 1 Nate Thurmond C (Psd)(Block) They say he was just below Bill Russell in terms of Defense Tom Sander SF (Psd)(Prd) Bill Bridges PF (Psd) KC Jones PG (Prd)(Steals can be tier 2 i guess) Tom Heinsohn PF(Psd) Gus Johnson (Psd) Tier 2 (Prd) Tier 2 Larry Siegfried PG(Prd) 1950's Tier 1 Slater Martin PG (Prd) Arnie Risen C (Psd) Frank Ramsey SG (Prd) If i am missing anyone Ill just edit the list just specify the tier and the era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhart05 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 This page may be of some help as well: http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/all_defense.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhart05 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 1980's Tier 1 Sidney Moncrief (Prd) Yes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Nichols Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'll add in that if anyone is known to be atrocious at defense that would be helpful too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 That would be a little tougher lol mostly I could probably go off of general opinion but I may be able to do players who have good stats (defensively) but are actually poor defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Nichols Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Basically just something I can look into if anyone has any suggestions there. Everyone has their own set of players that they know/remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted April 24, 2013 Author Share Posted April 24, 2013 Added Grant Hill to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhart05 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 This might be of some help as well. And no, not just posting because my guy Sidney is #2 at SG behind the obvious one at #1 SG. Not a scientific study of course, but at least it's more information. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/878506-60-greatest-defensive-players-in-nba-history I threw the article into excel, zipped it, and attached for easy reference.NBA.Top60.Defense.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhart05 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 There is another article over that lists by category. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/519667-defensive-legendsthe-greatest-defensive-players-in-the-nba-history#/articles/519667-defensive-legendsthe-greatest-defensive-players-in-the-nba-history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 Thanks this really helped out alot if only there was a worst defender list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 Bad Defender List Players who may have had good stats but were poor defenders Dirk Nowitzski Brandon Jennings Kevin Love Nikola Pekovic Manute Bol Andrea Bargnani Antawn Jamison Antoine Walker Michael Redd Carlos Boozer Kevin Martin Amare Stoudamire Chris Kaman JR Smith Peja Stojakovic Mike Bibby Yi Jianlian Nicolas Batum Carl Landry David Lee Charles Barkley Alex English Kiki Vanderweigh Chris Mullins Pete Maravich Adrian Dantley (by the way he is a SF) Ricky Pierce Glenn Robinson Al Jefferson Byron Mullens Magic Johnson (I was told he couldnt guard guards or big men) Michael Beasley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 Double Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhart05 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I seem to remember Ricky Pierce for the Bucks in the 80s not caring about defense too much. Neither did Glenn Robinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 updated both list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 updated list added KC Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 Added Al Jefferson and Byron Mullens to bad defender list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 updated list added Mbah a moute Stevenson and Jimmy Butler if anyone know of any good or bad defenders who may not have the stats to show (i.e lots of steals but bad defender or low blocks but great defender) please let me know especially for old school players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikan99 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 <p>Slater Martin is rated a C on defense from what I saw, but he should be around an A. He was one of the premier defenders and a vital part to the early 50's Laker dynasty.</p><p> </p><p> The following is taken from a NY Times article about his death a few months ago.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> "The Lakers prized Martin for his ability to defend against star guards like the Davies-Wanzer backcourt of the Rochester Royals and the Sharman-Cousy tandem of the Boston Celtics.</p><p> </p><p> 'All they expected of me was to hold Bob Davies or Bobby Wanzer or Bill Sharman or Bob Cousy to 12 points, and then we’d win the game,' Martin told Charles Salzberg in the oral history 'From Set Shot to Slam Dunk' (1987). 'If I got 6 or 8 points extra, I was home free. Besides, they found out I could pass the ball.'"</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Even at 32 years old, a newspaper headline read "Slater Martin Checks Bob Cousy"(I can't post links <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> )</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted May 27, 2013 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 Slater Martin added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 Nate Thurmond added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 Added Magic Johnson to bad defender list.. Actually I added a couple people to both list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 Added Gus Johnson and Don Chaney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted July 27, 2013 Author Share Posted July 27, 2013 Added Josh Smith to Good Defender List Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Added Brandon Jennings to bad defender list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah826 Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 <p>Added Chuck Hayes to Good Defender List</p><p> Added Kevin Love to Bad Defender List</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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