born_naughty Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 hi guys, So I've been playing a game of tew with a friend for a few months now. We both fiddled with our products and have made our choices. My company is called SWW and my product is quite favorable to sponsorship. My friend's company is called LWW and his product is favorable to sponsorship. As we're playing LWW is receiving about 150 dollars every day in sponsorship. SWW receives only 75-100, it kinda fluctuates. So my first question is. Quite favorable is better then favorable, right? Second, does someone know what, besides the product, influences the sponsorship? SWW has more prestige and momentum and has about the same popularity in his home region. We both started with rock hard difficulty when founding our company. SWW even has the advantage in trends, being the only product that has a minor positive in it's region. From what I can see SWW has everything in his favor when it comes to sponsorship. By all means this company should be getting more sponsorship then LWW and yet, it gets barely more then half of the competitor. For anyone who wants to take the time to look at it, here are the products: SWW: Traditional: medium Mainstream: key feature Comedy: key feature: Cult: none Risque: heavy Modern: none Realism: none Hyper realism: none Hardcore: medium Lucha libre: none pure: none Daredevil: low Match intensity 20% Match danger 30% Women's wrestling: division T&A: high Face/heel split: yes weight split: no In ring rules are all left unchecked. LWW: Traditional: none Mainstream: medium Comedy: low Cult: low Risque: low Modern: key feature Realism: none Hyper realism: none Hardcore: low Lucha libre: medium pure: none Daredevil: low Match intensity 60% Match danger 75% Women's wrestling: division T&A: high Face/heel split: no weight split: no In ring rules are all left unchecked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Avalanche Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 <p>Heavy risque is a big negative on sponsorship favorability. Hardcore is also a negative. I think Mainstream, Lucha and Comedy are the positive ones?</p><p> </p><p> I would guess from this that LWW would have an easier time getting sponsors. Though the key feature Modern I think is a negative for them making it closer... </p><p> </p><p> Within this context, it is quite easy to test what "quite favorable" means. Just set the product to something neutral, then start increasing Mainstream with small increments, and you will see how it moves from one level of favorability to the next.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_naughty Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 <p>Hello again! :-D</p><p> </p><p> To add to the topic. We've tried getting SWW's sponsorship up by changing the product but it didn't work. Even when extremely favorable SWW still gets less sponsorship then LWW.</p><p> </p><p> That's why I started looking at other things like trends, but SWW seems to have all the advantages.</p><p> </p><p> You're right though, risque and hardcore drags my sponsorship down by a lot. So again we land at the question: Is "quite favorable" better then "favorable"?</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: okay I took your advice and slowly got mainstream higher. At "heavy" my product is favorable and at "key feature" my product is quite favorable. So Quite favorable is definitely better. Which means SWW should get more sponsorship.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarEatWorld Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="born_naughty" data-cite="born_naughty" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42405" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're right though, risque and hardcore drags my sponsorship down by a lot. So again we land at the question: Is "quite favorable" better then "favorable"?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In a word, NO! Quite favourable, to me at least, means reasonably/fairly favourable, not very favourable.</p><p> </p><p> Case in point would be a sentence like, "At 6'2 DarEatWorld is quite tall but his friend who is 6'5 is tall."</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Avalanche Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Yeah, that makes sense to me, but the way the product's sponsorship favourability changes seems odd then. Why would a product with key feature: Mainstream be less favourable to sponsors than one with mainstream as a heavy feature? Could there be "too much of a good thing"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Here's from best to worst in terms of sponsorship. 1. Extremely Favorable 2. Very Favorable 3. Quite Favorable 4. Favorable 5. A Little Tough 6. Quite Tough 7. Very Tough 8. Extremely Tough So DarEatWorld is wrong about "Quite Favorable" being Lower than "Favorable". In any case, here are the products that are adds to favorability (in no particular order): Traditional Mainstream Comedy Lucha Libre Every other product type subtracts from sponsorship favorability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleA012 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I can tell you right now that having hardcore at medium and risque at high is exactly what is costing you. Sponors' dont want anything to do with either, as the more mainstream you are the better timeslots you can get an what not (hence, why WWE is so PG in real life, to get better advertising $$$). ECW had a hard time getting TV deals because it was so violent and risque. That's why the WWE Attitude Era is a lot of people's favorite. It was a time when even the networks and advertisers tried to stop them for a bit, but realized that at that time it was far too popular and so they let them be hardcore and risque and still made money. However, over time as you've seen Vince reverted back to his original PG format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Well, it's not just the "ECW" products that cost sponsorship. All the performance product styles do so as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_naughty Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42405" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Here's from best to worst in terms of sponsorship.<p> </p><p> 1. Extremely Favorable</p><p> 2. Very Favorable</p><p> 3. Quite Favorable</p><p> 4. Favorable</p><p> 5. A Little Tough</p><p> 6. Quite Tough</p><p> 7. Very Tough</p><p> 8. Extremely Tough</p><p> </p><p> So DarEatWorld is wrong about "Quite Favorable" being higher than "Favorable". </p><p> </p><p> In any case, here are the products that are adds to favorability (in no particular order):</p><p> </p><p> Traditional</p><p> Mainstream</p><p> Comedy</p><p> Lucha Libre</p><p> </p><p> Every other product type subtracts from sponsorship favorability.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But according to your own list Quite favorable IS higher then favorable.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_naughty Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DoubleA012" data-cite="DoubleA012" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42405" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can tell you right now that having hardcore at medium and risque at high is exactly what is costing you. Sponors' dont want anything to do with either, as the more mainstream you are the better timeslots you can get an what not (hence, why WWE is so PG in real life, to get better advertising $$$). ECW had a hard time getting TV deals because it was so violent and risque. That's why the WWE Attitude Era is a lot of people's favorite. It was a time when even the networks and advertisers tried to stop them for a bit, but realized that at that time it was far too popular and so they let them be hardcore and risque and still made money. However, over time as you've seen Vince reverted back to his original PG format.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I get all of that but the fact remains that according to the analysis I have quite a favorable product for sponsorship and the other company "only" has favorable.</p><p> </p><p> So what you're saying is that there's a bug in the game and the analysis is wrong. Which could be true, don't get me wrong.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="born_naughty" data-cite="born_naughty" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42405" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But according to your own list Quite favorable IS higher then favorable.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oops. Sleep deprivation. I meant to say, he's wrong about Favorable being higher than Quite Favorable. Thanks for correcting me.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="born_naughty" data-cite="born_naughty" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42405" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I get all of that but the fact remains that according to the analysis I have quite a favorable product for sponsorship and the other company "only" has favorable.<p> </p><p> So what you're saying is that there's a bug in the game and the analysis is wrong. Which could be true, don't get me wrong.</p></div></blockquote>It's not a bug. <p> </p><p> Listen to me - Mainstream, Traditional, Lucha Libre, and Comedy add to sponsorship favorability. Everything else subtracts from it. Depending on much you heavily lean into them (Medium, Heavy, Key) also how affects how much it adds or subtracts sponsorship favorability.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Also, are both your friend in the same game? And in the same area? If he's in a stronger region, let's say, Tri-state as opposed to Eastern Europe, that might have some effect as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 <p>Another question - what is the EXACT popularity of his promotion and your promotion? I don't mean the letter grade. I mean the actual popularity down to the decimal. </p><p> </p><p> If he's even slightly more popular if both of you are in the same region, that might explain the difference.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarEatWorld Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42405" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oops. Sleep deprivation. I meant to say, he's wrong about Favorable being higher than Quite Favorable. Thanks for correcting me.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I may be wrong in game terms but I was speaking linguistically (in which arena I would maintain I'm right though there still seems to be two schools of thought). <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I appreciate the correction in-game though.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_naughty Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42405" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Another question - what is the EXACT popularity of his promotion and your promotion? I don't mean the letter grade. I mean the actual popularity down to the decimal. <p> </p><p> If he's even slightly more popular if both of you are in the same region, that might explain the difference.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> LWW is in midsouth and has a popularity of 10.4</p><p> SWW is in New England and has a popularity of 9.4 there</p><p> </p><p> This is just at this particular instant though. I haven't been able to get my popularity up for a few months now because of the money issues with SWW. A few months earlier SWW had the advantage in it's region by a hair.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 What's the numbers of reach region? You know, Importance, etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_naughty Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42405" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What's the numbers of reach region? You know, Importance, etc....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> LWW Importance/popularity</p><p> Great lakes: 1/2</p><p> Mid atlantic: 2/2</p><p> Mid south: 10/10</p><p> Mid west: 4/4</p><p> new england: 0/0</p><p> North west: 2/2</p><p> South east: 4/4</p><p> South west: 4/4</p><p> Tri state 0/0</p><p> Puerto rico 0/0</p><p> Hawaii 0/0</p><p> </p><p> SWW Importance/popularity</p><p> Great lakes: 1/1</p><p> Mid atlantic: 1/1</p><p> Mid south: 0/0</p><p> Mid west: 0/0</p><p> new england: 8/9</p><p> North west: 0/0</p><p> South east: 0/0</p><p> South west: 0/0</p><p> Tri state 3/4</p><p> Puerto rico 0/0</p><p> Hawaii 0/0</p><p> </p><p> You might be on to something here. LWW has a huge advantage in importance over the continent. If you add it all up it's more then double so that might account for almost double the sponsorship.</p><p> Did you want to see any other numbers besides importance and popularity?</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: and while I though I had the advantage in popularity a few months ago I probably never had the advantage in importance.</p><p> EDIT2: did some more checking and Mid south has spillover to 5 different regions while New England only has spillover to Tri State so that makes sense.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 What about community size? Is his region bigger or smaller than yours? And what is the importance of the regions themselves, not necessarily your companies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_naughty Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42405" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What about community size? Is his region bigger or smaller than yours? And what is the importance of the regions themselves, not necessarily your companies?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hey ampulator, I wanna thank you for thinking with me because thanks to you I found it.</p><p> </p><p> You see, we went to edit data and changed the popularity of LWW to 0 everywhere. The result was that LWW's sponsorship dropped to around 50 dollars a day, 4 times less then before.</p><p> </p><p> That proves that it was the popularity across the different regions that influences sponsorship, together with the product. So for me that's all I needed to know.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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