Real World 1997 version 2

[Suede]

Something I have been doing is editing WECNeverDie’s 1997 Real World Mod. I have messaged him asking if it’s ok to mod and release, but sadly without reply.

 

It was already a good mod, but what I’ve tried to do is refine it, make it a bit more accurate. I have borrowed data heavily from a couple of other Mods. I have tried to contact the Mod owners without success but will add credit where it is due.

 

What have I done

I have added every event I can find a record of dating back to 1984.

For each event I have added in the fight card and results, over a thousand fight records currently giving an accurate history for every fighter in the game.

Added more companies for the start (currently up to 38 in total) and over the course of the next few years. I plan to add more, again others opinions are welcome.

Added some more fighters - most of these were imported from older Mods so need checking for accuracy.

Added a complete tournament history.

 

 

What I need to do

Go through each fighter and check each fighters start date as some are set wrong. Although I believe this was to give some fighters a history before they started. By adding more companies at the start I hope we’ll see fighters starting low before going on to the bigger companies.

Also need to check each fighters personal details, momentum, rankings, popularity.

 

Decisions to make

I’m tempted to set every fighter who is set to debut after Jan 1997 to have a potential of zero. Therefore it is calculated when they are generated. This means that every game will be different, and add some unpredictability which I think is a good thing. I don’t want to end up with George St Pierre dominating every save I have, sometimes it would be nice to see him end up as a journeyman.

 

How am I going to calculate popularity and rankings.

 

Help required

I have no Picture Pack for this mod. I’d suggest using WEC’s picture pack as that will be a good setting point. What I think would be good is for someone or a group of people to create a definitive picture pack for Real World settings. Starting from 93 onwards. That way it could work with all real world Mods in the future. The TEW community has a couple of large picture packs along these lines. I am not the person to do this, but if someone were to create one I would happily use it.

 

Some fighters need creating, and I have no knowledge of how to set a balanced fighter up. Any help/suggestions are welcome. I have a list and am happy to provide some details to people as a base point.

 

I am not creating a skin either, no time or knowledge to do that. Other people are more than welcome to do it instead.

 

Other Notes

I have nearly finished adding the fight histories, just 40 plus Shooto events and 6 Brazilian Vale Tudo to go I think. But then comes the monotonous task of checking each character.

 

I will probably be asking for help and opinions on various things over the next few weeks. I will probably want some people to try it out as well at some point.

 

I am not taking away anything from WEC. He created a killer mod, and people are free to use it (I do). I’m just picky about fighter histories and got carried away, so decided to update a lot of it.

 

I will update this regularly, but work is slow as I have two kids, a full time job, Football Manager 2019 , and Red Dead two about to be released.

 

If WEC sees this and wants to collaborate then I am more than happy to do so.

[Suede]

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[Suede]

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[Xience]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Suede" data-cite="Suede" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><img alt="OlDMa5R" data-src="https://imgur.com/OlDMa5R" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Anyone able to tell me why my image does not show?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I believe imgur images do not embed on this forum.</p>

[Suede]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Xience" data-cite="Xience" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I believe imgur images do not embed on this forum.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cheers. That should explain it.</p>

[Suede]

<p>Achievements 118</p><p>

Agers 0</p><p>

Belts 9</p><p>

Belt Lineages 14</p><p>

Broadcasters 70</p><p>

Broadcast Teams 1</p><p>

Broadcaster Changes 0</p><p>

Broadcasting Contracts 2</p><p>

Characters 2476</p><p>

Character Names 8825</p><p>

Companies 38</p><p>

Company Hall of Fames 76</p><p>

Company Images 0</p><p>

Corporate Relationships 0</p><p>

Drug History 0</p><p>

Drug Testing Agencies 4</p><p>

EOY Awards 4</p><p>

Eras 7</p><p>

Event Names 136</p><p>

Free Pictures 0</p><p>

Injuries 60</p><p>

Injury History 0</p><p>

Judges 31</p><p>

MMA Hall of Fame 11</p><p>

Morale 0</p><p>

Narratives 41</p><p>

Nicknames 1120</p><p>

Pre-Game Incidents 2</p><p>

Pre-Game Results 1059</p><p>

Pre-Game Shows 205</p><p>

Reality TV 0</p><p>

Referees 21</p><p>

Relationships 427</p><p>

Teams 230</p><p>

Team Names 247</p><p>

Top Rankings 0</p><p>

Tournament Wins 49</p><p>

TV Shows 0</p><p>

TV Names 220</p><p> </p><p>

Update as it stands so far. </p><p> </p><p>

Things I am querying or to do</p><p>

1. Should I remove Future Inductees to Hall of Fame?</p><p>

2. Some of the Pre-Game Results were entered wrong so while there will be between 1200 and 1300 if not more, I probaby have to re-enter 100 or so (Vale Tudo Japan, Brazilian Vale Tudo, Icon Sport, IFC & Shooto)</p><p> </p><p>

Rankings have been entered, and I am working out a system for Name Value so it is consistent across the board and life like.</p>

[Suede]

I’m also thinking that when this completed, maybe jumping a year or two ahead or a year too before too give players more choice.

[D16NJD16]

Thanks so much for this. Holding off purchase until this is released

[Suede]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="D16NJD16" data-cite="D16NJD16" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks so much for this. Holding off purchase until this is released</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wouldn't sit and wait for release. The game crashed and now won't load, before that any saves related to it wouldn't load. Therefore I am unable to do anything with it currently. Hopefully Adam will be able to sort the problem out.</p><p> </p><p> To be honest the original 1997 Mod is more than playable, I just wanted to expand it, then use it as a base for a couple of other Mods..</p>

[Suede]

Good News. Where my copy of the game had broken, Adam has told me how to resolve it, so I plan on doing some more over the weekend. I hope to have the Fight Results completed soon and then I can start looking at the fighters specifically.

[Suede]

Update

 

I have added another 15 Fighters, 3 more shows, approximately 150 more fight results, although I did have to redo some as well. Also found a couple more Tournament wins to add in.

[Tag01]

Looking forward to this

[Foulejandro]

Sounds great

[Suede]

<p>I have been thinking that because WEC had already done 1997, is it worth me looking at 1998 instead? I could probably do 98 and 99 as 98 would be a build on top of 1997 and then 99 would be a build on on top of 1998. </p><p> </p><p>

If I could work out how to do a poll, I would put it out there. Potentially i could also go back to 1996 instead?</p>

[Suede]

Progress Update

 

Achievements 119

Agers 0

Belts 9

Belt Lineages 14

Broadcasters 70

Broadcast Teams 1

Broadcaster Changes 0

Broadcasting Contracts 2

Characters 2505

Character Names 8825

Companies 38

Company Hall of Fames 76

Company Images 0

Corporate Relationships 0

Drug History 0

Drug Testing Agencies 4

EOY Awards 4

Eras 7

Event Names 136

Free Pictures 0

Injuries 60

Injury History 0

Judges 31

MMA Hall of Fame 11

Morale 0

Narratives 41

Nicknames 1120

Pre-Game Incidents 2

Pre-Game Results 1346

Pre-Game Shows 208

Reality TV 0

Referees 21

Relationships 427

Teams 230

Team Names 247

Top Rankings 0

Tournament Wins 52

TV Shows 0

TV Names 220

[Suede]

<p>Finally.....</p><p> </p><p>

I have entered the results for 210 different fight cards that I have been able to find. This has resulted in 53 Tournament wins, 1437 Fight Results.</p><p> </p><p>

I have also increased to 124 Achievements spread over 2529 fighters. </p><p> </p><p>

Current Situation</p><p>

Currently going through all the debuted fighters to make sure they are all completely filled out with any information I can find. I have almost finished fighters starting with B. </p><p> </p><p>

Next I want to research the companies a little more. I have imported a few, but fell I need to redo some of them, they all seem to have a decent amount of starting cash (i think too much), but some of the companies going in 1996/1997 were out of business by 1998 and I feel this should be reflected so want to run some tests once this is complete. This will probably then affect the narratives and increase them. </p><p> </p><p>

I then need to make some decisions around the Hall of Fame and Eras, plus the lack of a dedicated Picture Pack. I still wish that someone would take on the picture packs that are in existence and create one all singing and dancing pack that can be used by any modmaker. </p><p> </p><p>

I still want it completed by Christmas but there is no specific deadline at the moment. </p><p> </p><p>

I then in the future may look at creating a 1998 mod which has Pride already running. As this is set from Jan 1997 (currently) Pride wont be available from the start. </p><p> </p><p>

I am also thinking of having this Mod start slightly later so UFC 12 is completed as there were wide scale changes implemented from that date. But would welcome opinions.</p><p> </p><p>

It's 5:30 am where I am, so I am going to switch the game off, have some breakfast and get ready for work.</p>

[Chg91]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Suede" data-cite="Suede" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Next I want to research the companies a little more. I have imported a few, but fell I need to redo some of them, they all seem to have a decent amount of starting cash (i think too much), but some of the companies going in 1996/1997 were out of business by 1998 and I feel this should be reflected so want to run some tests once this is complete. This will probably then affect the narratives and increase them. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just a thought, but would giving them negative cash & negative momentum be enough? I don't believe there's a specific narrative to shut down a company, is there?</p>

[Suede]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Chg91" data-cite="Chg91" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just a thought, but would giving them negative cash & negative momentum be enough? I don't believe there's a specific narrative to shut down a company, is there?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wasn’t to sure to be honest. For some of the smaller comapanies I was just going to give a smaller amount of cash and run a few tests to see what happened. I wouldn’t give negative cash, because no one who picks a minor company wants to start with a minus balance but ideally you want it to be more of a challenge.</p>

[ReyRey619]

Excited for this. Wondering if you'll include some non MMA fighters like boxers, Olympic wrestlers, pro wrestlers and such. With the new features in this version I think those would be cool additions.

[Suede]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ReyRey619" data-cite="ReyRey619" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Excited for this. Wondering if you'll include some non MMA fighters like boxers, Olympic wrestlers, pro wrestlers and such. With the new features in this version I think those would be cool additions.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To be honest probably not. For one I have finished creating/entering fighters I think. Secondly, I'm trying to create an accurate screenshot of the time and back then there weren't boxers etc trying to get in to MMA.</p>

[Suede]

Testing

 

I may be wanting a couple of people to help test this out in 2/3 weeks time. Currently going through all debuted fighters to make sure they are correct and putting in various changes (currently on M). I've not changed too much as I don't know a lot about the creation of fighters and the impacts of various things.

 

If anyone wants to help then please let me know on here or DM me.

 

Does anyone know of a guide to creating pictures etc. I'd at least like to get the all the companies to have the correct pictures which means I probably have to research them. It won't be a full Pic Pack, but will be the start of something hopefully.

 

As it stands, the game seems to run ok, the only thing I've noticed is that all the companies seem to break even at a a bare minimum while most make money so I am looking at drastically reducing the starting funds. At the moment Pride starts with $50,000,000, while that may be historically accurate, it means that they'll never end up in a position to be bought. I'm thinking off giving them a $1,000,000 so they can't go stupid and sign every great fighter at whatever pay they want. They can still be a success, but at the same time with the wrong conditions could still go out of business.

 

Obviously people can edit it with any amount they want, but I want the chance that companies overspend and go out of business to be a possibility.

 

There are about 15 companies at the outset and I'm tempted to create one more. so there are plenty of places to fight, with about 400 fighters from day one. Almost all of these are standard contracts which I feel is correct because people did swap and change a lot back then compared to now.

[Tag01]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Suede" data-cite="Suede" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Testing<p> </p><p> Does anyone know of a guide to creating pictures etc. I'd at least like to get the all the companies to have the correct pictures which means I probably have to research them. It won't be a full Pic Pack, but will be the start of something hopefully. </p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I can't remember if it's the Pride vs. UFC mod or the Dawn of MMA, but I cut a bunch of company logos from the early days of MMA. You are welcome to any of those you can find.</p>

[Suede]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tag01" data-cite="Tag01" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can't remember if it's the Pride vs. UFC mod or the Dawn of MMA, but I cut a bunch of company logos from the early days of MMA. You are welcome to any of those you can find.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cheers Tag, would you be interested in taking a look at my database at some point. Having done a lot of modding, your opinion would be most welcome.</p>

[Dr Strangelove]

<p>This is definitely going to be the best mod ever!</p><p> </p><p>

Any updates on the ETA? A public testing build perhaps?</p>

[Tag01]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Suede" data-cite="Suede" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Cheers Tag, would you be interested in taking a look at my database at some point. Having done a lot of modding, your opinion would be most welcome.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sure.</p>