Destiny Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I could of course nominate myself at this point but I think it would be better to save my nomination for somebody else maybe. Anybody else want to give me a third before we move onto more pressing business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michgcs Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <p>Sorry, its a holiday here so havent been online, just caught that Im now in the game. </p><p> </p><p> Im definitely town. Got a one shot that hasnt been used yet. Not a role I’ve ever seen here before, I don’t think.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Is there anything else you can give us? Have you had the opportunity to read any of the thread yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i effin rule Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 <p><strong>It is now Day 4. You have until 9:00pm EDT (2:00am GMT) on Thursday, June 6th to vote and make nominations. The player with the most votes at the end of the phase will be lynched. The council enacted a rule making them immune to lynching for this phase.</strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Nominations</span></strong></p><p> Destiny: 2 (lukess11, Memory of Talon)</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lynch</span></strong></p><p> Eliphas: 1 (Memory of Talon)</p><p> michgcs: 1 (Destiny)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <p>Before not being around as much gets thrown at me again, I want to make it clear that I've been working the last 5 or 6 days straight and my laptop was out of commission at the start of this game so a lot of Day 3 was spent taking proper notes so that I could actually pull my hunches and suspicions together. DJ can confirm that, we've been masoned together since Night 1 where someone put us together, which is in the write up here.....</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em>She was walking down the street, speaking to someone else when she spots the man she was looking for.</em><p><em> </em></p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF00FF;">Woman: Hey! You! Come here.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#FF00FF;"> </span></strong></p><p> <em>The man looks befuddled. He looks behind him and then back to the woman, pointing at himself.</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF00FF;">Woman: Yes, you!</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#FF00FF;"> </span></strong></p><p> <em>He makes his way over to the woman and her companion.</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF00FF;">Woman: Have you two met before? I was just thinking the other day how I thought you two would get along splendidly.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#FF00FF;"> </span></strong></p><p> <em>The two men look at each, not really knowing what to say. The woman looks down at her watch and acts surprised.</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF00FF;">Woman: Would you look at the time? I have a thing I need to do. I’m sure you two can find something to talk about.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#FF00FF;"> </span></strong></p><p> <em>She quickly scurries off as the two men shrug at each other.</em></p><p><em> </em></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We've spent a lot of time talking and bouncing ideas off of each other in our group, but we haven't been seeing eye to eye on a lot of things. We trust very different people, we have different vibes on people we think are scummy and in general don't seem to be clicking at all. Some of this seems to be that both of us are being a little coy about our roles... so in the interests of providing some clarity for the list I'm about to post this is why I don't have DJ at the top of my list.</p><p> </p><p> ME: Derek B</p><p> STRONG TOWN: </p><p> TOWN: Crychon, Rabbitman, Too Sweet Spartan, </p><p> NEUTRAL: djthefunkchris, FellaLibby, Memory Of Talon, michgcs/Eliphas, </p><p> SCUM: Destiny, Leion, lukess11, Tha Black Phenom, </p><p> STRONG SCUM: </p><p> </p><p> I also have a bunch of notes on this. The first is that with two scum groups out there abd presumably each having 4 people on them to start with.... there should now be 2 groups of 3 scum, and 5 townies left. Which is an awful position to be in for this game and the catalyst for all of this because I feel like I have to do something or this game is going to come down to scum fighting scum as the last couple of townies fight for potential scraps. As one of the last town, I'm not doing that. I'm not going to live much longer anyway, that much I know.</p><p> </p><p> I see a few people who I think are grouped in some way.</p><p> </p><p> GROUP 1: Destiny, lukess11, Leion?,</p><p> </p><p> Their interactions feel odd to me, and they have been too linked when it comes to nominations and the like. The fact that they've all been setting me off with red flags combined with that, makes me think they are together. Destiny has given NOTHING so far, lukess11 ability seems to be less than ability that only does anbything when it suits him and Leion seems to be almost non existent in this game, only popping up to prop up MoT and use my own technique of fake outrage to try to flush out a protector after DeadCeleb died. </p><p> </p><p> I put Leion in this group but there is a chance he's in the second.</p><p> </p><p> GROUP 2: Tha Black Phenom, Memory Of Talon, Leion?</p><p> </p><p> The links here are less strong BUT I've been getting bad vibes from MoT for a long time, and part of that is because he seems to be buddying up to DJ and they share a lot of similar thoughts. When someone I think is scummy buddies up to someone else, that set off a lot o warning bells. Doing so publicly makes me think they aren't aligned.... and it's possible I'm getting the two of them back to front and it's DJ buddying up to MoT... but either way, I think one of them are scum. Not that we can do anything about those two today as both were on the previous council and are currently unlynchable.</p><p> </p><p> With that in mind.....</p><p> </p><p> <strong>VOTE: Leion</strong></p><p> </p><p> --------------------------</p><p> </p><p> There are some other questions and clarifications that could help clarify some things and perhaps move some names around.</p><p> </p><p> @Rabbitman: Can you clarify EXACTLY what your ability did? Your phrasing was vague... was everyone (including you) protected at the party? Were the roleblocked? What would have happened if anyone else tried to get into the party? Were people untargetable? Please ask IER for clarification as it may make me feel better about FellaLibby, who I've had a town lean for for a while, but that others are saying is guaranteed for no obvious reason that I can see.</p><p> </p><p> @everyone: We need your collective scum reads. Who do you trust? Who do you not? Why?</p><p> </p><p> @everyone: For the love of god, don't drop nominations yet! We need to be extra careful with who we put in there particulary now that we have so few town left. We're more likely than not to have a council led by scum.... and if things carry on as they have we're going to have 8 players left for the next day phase so wont even be able to get a council in. The recklessness of voting in someone so quickly is another reason that I'm so against Destiny and lukess11. Especially with lukess saying on Day 3 that if he had a kill he'd kill Destiny... it reeks of scum trying to distance themselves at first, then saying to just go for it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Memory of Talon" data-cite="Memory of Talon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>Hard Town</strong><p> </p><p> Rabbitman</p><p> FellaLibby</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Tentative Town</strong></p><p> </p><p> Destiny</p><p> Derek_B</p><p> Too Sweet Spartan</p><p> djthefunkchris</p><p> Crychon</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Unknown</strong></p><p> </p><p> lukess</p><p> Tha Black Phenom</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Likely Scum</strong></p><p> </p><p> Eliphas</p><p> Leion</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As much as it pains me, with how many scum I believe there are in this game, there has to be scum in the town side of your list. </p><p> </p><p> I know I've not put all my cards on the table yet, but somehow I'm still alive and I'm going to play out what's left of my hand through this phase as I'm going to be around for a good chunk of it before having to work again.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Nice to see you back Derek. Interesting to know that you can talk to DJ outside of the thread and it certainly explains a few things. I thought the fact DJ trusted you meant that you were both town but now it looks like I'm going back to the drawing board with that. I'm happy to push Leion today as I'm not aligned with him. You might have some things right but you remain completely wrong about me mate. Look what I've given up about myself compared to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nice to see you back Derek. Interesting to know that you can talk to DJ outside of the thread and it certainly explains a few things. I thought the fact DJ trusted you meant that you were both town but now it looks like I'm going back to the drawing board with that. I'm happy to push Leion today as I'm not aligned with him. You might have some things right but you remain completely wrong about me mate. Look what I've given up about myself compared to others.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You've given info, but unless DJ and I have both missed it, you've given no evidence. I can say that I am an elephant, but unless I show up with a trunk, four legs and a noise I can't approximate onomatapeiacally then I'm no elephant. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nice to see you back Derek. Interesting to know that you can talk to DJ outside of the thread and it certainly explains a few things. I thought the fact DJ trusted you meant that you were both town but now it looks like I'm going back to the drawing board with that. I'm happy to push Leion today as I'm not aligned with him. You might have some things right but you remain completely wrong about me mate. Look what I've given up about myself compared to others.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And if you want my full case against you....</p><p> </p><p> 1. You're alive despite the fact you've been hinting lie detector for aaaaages and loads of people know it. More people know than there are townies remaining as far as I can see.</p><p> </p><p> 2. You've been fishing for abilities and roles all game, which is scummy as hell. Even when called out on it, you've denied there is a problem with it.</p><p> </p><p> 3. I see strong links between you and other scummy players in a similar position to you.</p><p> </p><p> 4. You have, as far as I can see, given nothing to prove that you are town.</p><p> </p><p> 5. I don't believe you are in any write ups with your claim either.</p><p> </p><p> So there's that.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <p>So Destes.... scum reads. I want lists and thoughts on players. I want to know who you think is good, who is bad, and reasons for it. You're around just now, so this is the time to do it.</p><p> </p><p> I have no interest in you being on the council. I'd rather have no-one than you, that's how little I trust you. And with 2 votes already on you, the chances of getting 3 people who aren't you require everyone else to take their time and think about things more. </p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Get a consensus first, THEN vote. </span></strong><img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I'm in at least two write-ups and I'm really not hard to find in them given what I've already said today. If you really are town like I know I am then be careful your obsession with me doesn't cost us both the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <p>01. lukess11</p><p> 05. Derek_B</p><p> 06. Destiny</p><p> 07. djthefunkchris</p><p> 11. Crychon</p><p> 13. Too Sweet Spartan</p><p> 15. Tha Black Phenom</p><p> 16. Eliphas / michgcs</p><p> 19. Memory of Talon</p><p> 20. Leion</p><p> 24. FellaLibby</p><p> 25. Rabbitman</p><p> </p><p> With two groups out there, this worries me.</p><p> </p><p> I think people have been too trusting about those they voted into the council. I looked at MoT's list and the numbers definitely show IMO there have been wolves in the henhouse.</p><p> </p><p> What I think would help is to cross reference everyone who has been voted into the council previously, and shell out our thoughts about them. Perhaps even about the current council, although they can't be voted on (I assume option #2 went through, may have skipped over)</p><p> </p><p> Something else trotting in my head is the amount of opinions and reads on Destiny. He's been the topic of discussion from an alarming amount of players, in comparison to most others. Maybe it's a fixation thing. Personally, I think he's town. If we're betting on a scum member taking the reigns right from the get go, in terms of willingness of making the council, it's not Destiny I would look at...</p><p> </p><p> I was going to vote on Leion this morning, but I then wanted to shell out my thoughts and lay things on the table. This is my reads list.</p><p> </p><p> Town</p><p> </p><p> lukess11</p><p> Memory of Talon</p><p> FellaLibby</p><p> Destiny</p><p> </p><p> Neutral</p><p> </p><p> Rabbitman</p><p> Too Sweet Spartan</p><p> djthefunkchris</p><p> Crychon</p><p> Derek_B</p><p> </p><p> Possible Scum</p><p> </p><p> Eliphas / michgcs</p><p> Leion</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> This may adjust throughout the phase but that's how I'm left feeling for now.</p><p> </p><p> I am also interested in the fact scum have managed to not hit each other for the past couple of nights now. Don't know if it's up to fortune or something more. The only scum death was Paws N1 IIRC.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <p>@Destes... everyone knows your ability. Not everyone knows your results. We're not in a position to be coy... there's probably 5 town and 6 scum out there, and no-one seems to have questioned those numbers so I'm going to assume they are true until proven otherwise.</p><p> </p><p> Knowledge is power. If you have people you can trust, get your information out there and get your lists out there. If you don't, I'm assuming you are a role cop until proven otherwise.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>@Destes... everyone knows your ability. Not everyone knows your results. We're not in a position to be coy... there's probably 5 town and 6 scum out there, and no-one seems to have questioned those numbers so I'm going to assume they are true until proven otherwise.<p> </p><p> Knowledge is power. If you have people you can trust, get your information out there and get your lists out there. If you don't, I'm assuming you are a role cop until proven otherwise.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We're not in a position to be coy so please remind me what we know about you other than you can talk to DJ outside of the thread.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 It took you more than 30 minutes to come up with deflection as your answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 And still no lists or anything? Your role, as claimed, is outed. Holding back benefits no-one except scum. IF you are townie you're playing the scummiest townie game I've seen... and that's coming from me, who deliberatelky plays townie roles in a scummy way to stay alive longer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Memory of Talon Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <p>Two groups of 4 scum is too many for a 25 person game. Last game was also 25 and had a total of 6 scum, so I was thinking two groups of 3 .I am also willing to lynch leion.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Change vote: Leion</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> Also, in mafia terms, masons know that the person they are in communication with are town, while neighbors don't. It sounds to me like you guys have been neighborhood rather than masonized.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Memory of Talon Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Neighborized* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <p>btw, I'm not angry at Destes. I think he has a plan and it needs updated to keep in line with stuff that has happened. Holding info when you have an outed role hurts the town. There's no doubt about that.</p><p> </p><p> Before anyone starts pointing fingers at me for being scum too, I have this to say and i anyone disagrees with this, I want you to speak up.</p><p> </p><p> We have two teams.</p><p> We are assuming there were 4 people on those teams to starts with, right?</p><p> No cults or any other shenanigans?</p><p> No SK?</p><p> So as thing stands, 2 teams of 3 people each remain.</p><p> And neither team can win until the other is dead (I assume) and they equal or outnumber the town OR other remaining players.</p><p> </p><p> That means whatever I'm doing now can't possibly be some end run attempt at winning the game, even though we're potentially very close to an ending given the numbers. I have a plan in mind, and I'm doing what I need to do to try to get the best possible outcome. And that requires people to post lists of who they think are scum and for the outted townies we have to reveal anything they know.</p><p> </p><p> I'm not fishing in any pools we don't already know about, only the ones who should be giving us all the fish we need to get things done.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Memory of Talon" data-cite="Memory of Talon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Two groups of 4 scum is too many for a 25 person game. Last game was also 25 and had a total of 6 scum, so I was thinking two groups of 3 .I am also willing to lynch leion.<p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Change vote: Leion</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> Also, in mafia terms, masons know that the person they are in communication with are town, while neighbors don't. It sounds to me like you guys have been neighborhood rather than masonized.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just saw this one. Groups of three sounds very small for groups.... Iv'e played (and modded) games with 25 people and two teams of 4. The Carnival game recently was one and original Video Game mafia was one too.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Memory of Talon Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I agree now that Destiny is outed he needs to give us his post targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Memory of Talon Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just saw this one. Groups of three sounds very small for groups.... Iv'e played (and modded) games with 25 people and two teams of 4. The Carnival game recently was one and original Video Game mafia was one too.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And I've played very small games with just groups of 2. 8 scum is just way too many imo</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We're not in a position to be coy so please remind me what we know about you other than you can talk to DJ outside of the thread.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I must be rather imperceptive to have missed this.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 <p>Day 1 elected council:</p><p> </p><p> Destiny, Derek B, Memory of Talon</p><p> </p><p> Day 2 elected council:</p><p> </p><p> lukess11, Memory of Talon, Crychon</p><p> </p><p> Day 3 elected council:</p><p> </p><p> djthefunkchris, Too Sweet Spartan, Memory of Talon</p><p> </p><p> Day 4 elected council:</p><p> </p><p> ??</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michgcs Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Is there anything else you can give us? Have you had the opportunity to read any of the thread yet? I've been trying to follow as best I can but got left behind somewhere along dj's gif barrage. 1. Derek your vote on Leion doesn't count as it's not red. 2. I had no idea things were this bleak lol I knew about the N1 massacre but I didn't realize we were so close to the end. 3. If Derek is right and there's 6 scum left... oh boy. But then again I don't know if he and dj hinted at being masons. It would be awfully convenient to do so now. Interesting to see that they're BOTH still alive with 11 players left. Same goes for MoT and Leion. 4. 50-50 on Destiny right now. Well, on everyone except me, TBH. If Rabbitman and Fellalibby are both town, that makes me 3/5... Derek and dj completing 5/5 just seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michgcs Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 @Destes... everyone knows your ability. Not everyone knows your results. We're not in a position to be coy... there's probably 5 town and 6 scum out there, and no-one seems to have questioned those numbers so I'm going to assume they are true until proven otherwise. Knowledge is power. If you have people you can trust, get your information out there and get your lists out there. If you don't, I'm assuming you are a role cop until proven otherwise. I've been going off this number but turns out there's still 12(?) of us left lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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