Bad Collin

That's how this works anyway. We have a set of rules that we agree but there's no point playing the challenge if it's not fun. I looked into this a bit more and these are the maximum values for each stat for each setting: I'm going to add Spot Monkey and Hardcore Brawler to the usable list but I think everything above High Flier is OP.

It's up for discussion. With skills set to average the quick skills tool gives between 20-50 points to primary skills. The top middle column determines which of these skills get points: Brawler is brawling, puro, hardcore Brawler-Wrestler is the above plus technical Hardcore brawler gives 40-50 hardcore but lower brawling and puro Technician gives technical High Flyer gives aerial and flashiness Technician-Flyer gives 40-50 technical plus between 20-50 aerial and flashiness Luchador gives 40-50 for aerial and flashiness and 20-50 for technical Flashy Striker gives 40-50 for brawling, puro and flashiness plus a decent amount of technical and aerial Spot Monkey gives 40-50 for flashiness and aerial and 20-30 for hardcore All Rounder gives 20-50 for everything As you can see these settings are not equal and some are far too OP for a RTG. That's why I suggested just allowing Brawler, Technician and High Flier. I think Hardcore Brawler and Spot Monkey are probably ok too though. If you wanted to create a more all round character you would need to use the first method and spread the 750 points.

I was just testing the heel/babyface thing and 8 people (!) turned up to my first show. I think this is because the wrestling industry is at 15 and my product states that attendance is strongly affected by the wrestling industry.

Yes. It's automatic if you use the quick skills tool but i'll add it to the first option too.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="awesomenessofme1" data-cite="awesomenessofme1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>100% and Better As... are mutually exclusive, so I'd think 100% would also have to give bonuses if you're the correct disposition, right? Otherwise it's strictly worse than just not having an attribute at all.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Some attributes are just negative though. I think it's to simulate people like Ricky Steamboat who could just never play heel.</p><p> </p><p> I'll add these attributes to some workers tonight see what shows up on the dirt sheet.</p>

I think 100% gives penalties. Better as.. seems to give a bonus to segments if you are the correct disposition.

They'll be extra rolls this year for achievements. I think letting people choose amazing heel or babyface from the start might be OP as these directly impact segment performance. I think weekly shows from the start are going to be necessary until popularity and sponsorship picks up.

<p>Any final thoughts on skills? I'm proposing the following rules for character creation:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">CHARACTER STATS</span></strong><p> </p><p> Age: 18 (If playing the default Cornellverse your birthday should fall between January 2001 and December 2001)</p><p> </p><p> Reputation: Lowest</p><p> Potential: Excellent in all categories or random if you wish.</p><p> </p><p> You can allocate your skills one of two ways:</p><p> </p><p> <strong>1. Allocate 750 skill points</strong></p><p> </p><p> Skills: Your character starts with Resilience 100, Reputation 50, Experience 0 and Respect 0.</p><p> You have 750 Points to spend on other skills. (No skill may exceed 75 to begin with)</p><p> </p><p> <strong>2. Using the Quick Skill Creation tool </strong></p><p> </p><p> Use the following settings:</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Top Row Left</strong> - Set to 'trainee'</p><p> <strong>Top Row Middle</strong> - Pick from Brawler, Technician, High Flier, Spot Monkey or Hardcore Brawler</p><p> <strong>Top Row Right</strong> - Set to 'Whose skills are average'</p><p> <strong>Bottom Row Left</strong> - Set to 'of average athleticism'</p><p> <strong>Bottom Row Middle</strong> - Set to 'Somewhat entertaining'</p><p> <strong>Bottom Row Right</strong> - Set to 'Who looks like a star'</p><p> </p><p> Then click 'create'. Just should just click this once, if you are unhappy with your stats after the first click then you can create your character using method 1.</p><p> </p><p> Then make the following changes:</p><p> </p><p> - No skill should be higher than 75 (except resilience). If any stat is above 75 then change it to 75</p><p> - Set Resilience to 100</p><p> - Set Reputation to 50</p><p> - Set Respect to 0</p><p> - Move points between Sex Appeal and Menace if you wish</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Attributes:</strong></p><p> </p><p> Don't set any attributes, these will be added via mystery boxes as the game progresses.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>Popularity</strong>: </p><p> </p><p> Set to 0 everywhere, you are starting from the bottom here.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote>

That style idea was to rip off FM. I get why people don't like the UI but it doesn't bother me. When I play TEW all of the actual clicking is done on auto pilot and I got used to this version within a few shows. The one thing I dearly miss is the the view workers button on the angle screen.

I imagine it's easier to make mock ups than design a UI for a game. Also, if Adam ripped off Football Manager so blatently by producing something that looked like your screenshot then that would not be good. I'm really looking forward to the game being released. I've played the demo a fair bit and really enjoyed the experience.

I love the change but not using Heartbreak would involve a re-write of my plans. I think i'll just absorb the extra $100 though.

I had accidentally included the road agent cost. I tested again and it was $130 which is correct from Europe to Britain

Huge change from the latest patch: This is a gamechanger for our 0/0/0/1000 promotions. Bret Heartbreak now costs $498 instead of $30

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jameschaos" data-cite="jameschaos" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>was more referring to character creation.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> OK, I understand. The plan at the moment is for no attributes to be added at the start and see where the mystery box takes our characters.</p>

Here's the latest list

Two days to go!! I added in the temporary attributes, they are going to work really well as a mystery box item. Are you referring to #42? I'm not sure if "Better as a heel" adds a penalty to playing a babyface but even if it does not all of the these rolls are meant to be positive. Sometime you are going to get one that sucks.

Great spot with the technical skills. Also with #11, I checked the handbook and it makes no difference to match performance. I'd really like something interesting for numbers 22 to 30, I always hated getting a boost to brawling if I was a high flier. One idea I had was to add the option of adding a small number of points to the primary skill of your choice: 23. "Fists of Fury" You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Brawling skill or +2 to any other primary skill.

I didn't assume that but I couldn't decide what to do with #19. I think a 50/50 chance is fair with this one.

<p>My attempt at editing the mystery box picks:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>1. "Friends with Benefits" You gain one Working Agreement (you may try a different company if you are rejected) OR you can join an existing Alliance (assuming they let you in) OR you may invite another company to join your alliance (you may try a different company if you are rejected).<p> 2. "War is Good for Business" Your owner demands you declare war on another promotion in the same area. (do nothing if your owner blocks you)</p><p> 3. "Trusted Companion" You gain the Loyalty of one of your roster (random roll from the list of your current roster).</p><p> 4. "Chance Encounter" While on holiday abroad you have befriended a wrestler and offered them a job (choose a wrestler in another regional area who is unemployed, make them active in your area and create a Strong Friendship between you and them)</p><p> 5. "Lean On Me" Gain Strong Friendship with random wrestler in your promotion. Any addictions from your character's and your new friend’s attributes are set to Former.</p><p> 6. "Master And Disciple” You can become the protégé of anyone 10 years or more older than you are (they must be on your roster) OR you can become the mentor of anyone 10 years or more younger than you (they must be on your roster). Randomly roll from anyone who is eligible.</p><p> 7. “That Loving Feeling…” Your love life has something happen. Move along the scale from left to right, starting a new relationship with someone appropriate (according to their own preferences) on your roster. Dating->Engaged->Married->Separated->Dating->… (use your own discretion if you need to work out if they are the parent of any children you may have. IF you are separated you may choose to start dating someone else, or start over again with them)</p><p> 8. "Where There’s A Will" One of your die hard fans has passed on bequeathing their worldly possessions to your promotion. Do you accept it or donate it to charity? Gain EITHER $56,609 or +5 Prestige</p><p> 9. "Keeping It In The Family" Create a younger sibling wrestler aged 17 (same 750 skill point split). If you are over 32 treat this as a son/daughter</p><p> 10. "Paging Dr Zahorian" Your owner thinks the roster looks a bit small. Hire a 'dirty doctor' using the backstage rules menu</p><p> 11. "A New Beginning" You may choose to evolve your wrestling style to anything you want.</p><p> 12. “LEGEN… wait for it… DARY!” Gain a Best Friend relationship with someone on your roster whose picture is of them wearing a suit. If no-one on your roster is wearing a suit, you must hire someone who wears a suit and become their Best Friend anyway then add the Drinker attribute.</p><p> 13. "Like A Chimney" Add "Smoker" to your characters addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Smoker" or "Former Smoker" if previously a Heavy Smoker.</p><p> 14. “P-A-R-T-why? Cos I Gotta!” Add "Soft Drug User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Soft Drug User" or "Former Soft Drug User" if previously a Heavy Soft Drug User.</p><p> 15. “UHHHHHHH, WHAT A RUSHHHHHHHH” Add "Hard Drug User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Hard Drug User" or "Former Hard Drug User" if previously a Heavy Hard Drug User.</p><p> 16. "Painkillers are mankind's way of saying 'just watch me'" Add "Pain Killer Abuser" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Pain Killer Abuser" or "Former Pain Killer Abuser" if previously a Heavy Pain Killer Abuser.</p><p> 17. "I told [WWE] to have Triple H pick me up in a limo, then we could go test together. They never asked again" Add "Steroid User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Steroid User" or "Former Steroid User" if previously a Heavy Steroid User.</p><p> 18. “I Fought The Law And The Law Won”* Add "Chequered Past" to your character's personality. If you have this already upgrade to "Often in Trouble" and if needed, "Most Wanted"</p><p> 19. "Genetically Challenged" Sometimes people ARE just big boned or just can't keep the weight on - you're one of them. Add either Fat Genes or Skinny Genes to your character</p><p> 20. "Tis just a Flesh Wound" Those bumps and injuries are really starting to add up, add either Troublesome Neck, Back, Shoulder or Knee to your character</p><p> 21. "My Only Addiction is Wrestling" Add "Straight Edge" to your character's addictions. Change any current addictions to Former. Future rolls that roll addictions will be lost (and unable to be rerolled)</p><p> 22. “Nose To The Grindstone” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 any Primary skill of your choice</p><p> 23. "Fists of Fury" You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Brawling skill</p><p> 24. “Feet of Fury” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Puroresu skill</p><p> 25. “Drunken Monkey Style” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Hardcore skill</p><p> 26. "Life of a Saint" You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Mat Wrestling skill</p><p> 27. “Link To The Past” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Chain Wrestling skill</p><p> 28. “Tap or Snap!” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Submissions skill</p><p> 29. "Top Rope Hero" You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Aerial skill</p><p> 30. “Flash, AAAHH!!” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Flashiness skill</p><p> 31. “Hit The Bricks” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the gym. +10 to spend on physical skills. (Athleticism, Toughness, Stamina, Power)</p><p> 32. "Chance to Train" You have been offered the chance to train with a Wrestling Legend. Gain +20 points to spend on any Fundamental skill. (Basics, Selling, Consistency, Safety & Psychology)</p><p> 33. “A Bumpy Ride” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Basics skill</p><p> 34. “So, Tell Me About Your Mother…” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Psychology skill</p><p> 35. “You Can Dance If You Wanna” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Safety skill</p><p> 36. “Solid? Liquid? Gas?” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Consistency skill</p><p> 37. “Snow To An Eskimo” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Selling skill</p><p> 38. “Casting Call" You have been cast in a small TV show, next stop Hollywood! +5 points to spend across Charisma and Acting. Also add TV Actor to Misc for your character. If previously your character had "TV Actor" add "Movie Star"</p><p> 39. "The Real Rock n' Rolla" You've filled in for a band member one night, who now wants to you tour with them as a result. +5 points to spend across Charisma and Microphone. Also add Musician to Misc for your character. If rolled 3 times upgrade to Famous Musician</p><p> 40. "As Real As It Gets" The World of Professional Fighting called you out and you delivered. Add +5 between Toughness and Menace. Add either MMA Fighter, Boxer or Pro Martial Artist to your character</p><p> 41. "Runaway Runway" Can't always be easy being a wrestler, at least you've got your modelling career to fall back on. +5 points to spend between Sex Appeal and Star Quality. Add Modelling Experience to your character</p><p> 42. “They Love Me… They Hate Me…" You have gotten better at making the fans cheer for you or boo you. Can increase either your Babyface or Heel Performance by one stage (Base -> Better -> Amazing etc.)</p><p> 43. "This here's what you call Domination" You've discovered a new found ability to Dominate, add "Plays Dominant Well" and “Squash Master” to your attributes</p><p> 44. “Super Awesome Wrestling-A-Go-Go: Electric Boogaloo” You are suddenly hilarious, add "Plays Comedy Well" and “Comedy worker” to your attributes</p><p> 45. “It’s Not Arrogance If You Can Back It Up” You've now got a bit of swagger in your step, add "Plays Swagger Well" and “Selfish Performer” to your attributes</p><p> 46. "Living the Gimmick" You are now comfortable playing a role and you know it takes time to build a story, add "Plays Gimmicky/Cartoonish Well" and “Slow and Steady” to your attributes</p><p> 47. "Fight Anyone" You never back down, add "Plays Badass Well" and “Dynamo” to your attributes</p><p> 48. “Train, Fight, Hurt People, Repeat” Everything you do looks like it hurts, add "Plays Legitimate Well" and “Explosive ring style” to your attributes</p><p> 49. "It's not the size of the dog, it's the size of the fight" You now like fighting from underneath, add "Plays Weasely/Underdog Well" and “Giving Performer” to your attributes</p><p> 50. "Grounded in Reality" You've discovered a new found ability to play Realistic gimmicks and prefer to have back up, add "Plays Realistic Well" and “Tag Team Specialist” to your attributes</p><p> 51. "He's got the whole world in his hands" You've discovered a new found ability to play Mysterious/Occult gimmicks, add "Plays Mysterious/Occult Well" and “High pain threshold” to your attributes</p><p> 52. "Marching to their own beat" You are now a few sandwiches short of a picnic, add "Plays Offbeat/Unstable Well" and “Scatter-brained” to your attributes</p><p> 53. "Step Into The Light" You get your 15 minutes of fame. +5 Pop across entire base country</p><p> 54. "Internet Sensation" One of your wrestlers (random roll from the list) has become an internet video hit due to a pirate recording of his last match. +2 pop for your company in every area that you already have popularity in and +10 pop for the wrestler in all areas</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Suggestions are obviously welcomed, especially around 22-30 which often end up being useless unless your pick corresponds to your wrestlers style.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaded" data-cite="Jaded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But a) it goes off average popularity across Europe and b) the wages compared to that average popularity are stupidly low.<p> </p><p> His pop is: 16/16/11/11/44/12/7, making it a total across Europe of 117 and an average of just below 17. Wrestlers with 13, 14, 15, or 16 average pop in their home country/continent want $50 a show. For some reason it doesn't take into consideration respect (as TEW 16 did) OR the fact that he's incredibly over in Central Europe where they're actually running shows. (I tested this by editing Penfold Perdition to 99 in Hawaii - he was more popular than Jack Bruce and still only wanted $40 a show!!)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Re-adding respect into the calculation seems like the best solution. Perhaps if they have been unemployed for a while high respect adds less to the wage demands.</p>

That has to be a bug, he has 44 overness in the area that VWA are based in and is their figurehead!

hmm, If this doesn't get patched then maybe we need a rule about it.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaded" data-cite="Jaded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I mean people like Nelson Callum, Bradley Blaze, Bradford Peverell, and a ton of other staggeringly talented wrestlers with sky-high overness in certain areas compared to the size of an RTG fed working for 60 or 40 dollars a night. There is zero point in signing perhaps 90% of the available talent as there are so many better options for virtually the same cost. Self-owned PPVs being too effective are also going to ruin RTG but not as immediately.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is true. Ian Vincible and Landon Mallory are available for $30 a show in the UK.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="awesomenessofme1" data-cite="awesomenessofme1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Technically, pre-booking requirements are a gameplay setting, but I personally strongly feel that they should not be necessary. I find them incredibly annoying and tedious.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Mandatory pre booking is off by default so it would not be required for the RTG challenge.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaded" data-cite="Jaded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If wages don't get fixed then I can't see any real point in RTG, sadly. It's going to be ridiculously easy.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="awesomenessofme1" data-cite="awesomenessofme1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What do you mean "fixed"? You mean the ridiculous 2016 system where nobodies who in real life would probably work for free demanded $200 a show? There are issues with the wage system (exclusive written PPA being too cheap being the biggest one I know of), but they don't really come into play until you've reached a decent size. The more relevant financial issue for RtG is self-owned PPV broadcasters being too effective.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think this new way is better. The challenge of RTG was never surviving the first year, the challenge was sticking through the grinds from regional to cult and cult to national to get your UC to the top. </p><p> </p><p> 2016 was annoying because everyone had to start over constantly until they found a way of staying in business. Every patch that Adam issued changed the finances too.</p>