PeterHilton

I don't see it that way. And based on the crowd response, I think it's still iffy that most other people agree with you. One's a sport. One's a work. In the WWE perception IS everything. In the UFC, it's scoreboard. If you don't get people to believe in Sheamus, you run into problems if you stick him at the top of a PPV. I said it before: if he's handled correctly, it's fine. So far...not so much.

He hasn't really faced any big names either. That's sort of part of the problem.

Not only is he not unbeaten, but his "push" was a win over Jamie Noble, some angles where he beat up staff members, a fluke battle royal win, and a couple of brawls with Cena on Raw. New or not, he has not been written to be presented in any way shape or from that I should be impressed by him. Whether or not putting the title on him is a good idea will depend on the follow up, but considering he was basically absent during a three hour episode of Raw, I'm still not impressed. WWE could have used a big celebration angle to put him over, then had him wrestle a 10 minute match and beat a big name clean...or pin Cena in a tag match slobberknocker...man, anything ouldve been better than "win a slammy then come out at the end of Raw and wave your arms around"

Pretty sure that feud was over at Survivor Series.

It looks like it. The rumor was that the beat down by Batista was done to justify his time away from the ring. But since he never really took time off...seems like the surgery wasn't as serious as reported. Or it went better than expected. Same thing happened with Show's knee injury a few weeks back.

I mean..they could...but at this point Taker's character is a little bigger than life. And with retirement seemingly around the corner, they NEED Taker to face off against someone else a little bigger than life at Mania. Rey just doesn't fit the bill. Kinda think he ends up in MITB.

Interesting. I see virtually no way to build a story leading up to Taker/Mysterio.

Pretty sure that was what everyone else was thinking. I also think they dropped the ball a little by not having him follow up with a dominant win over somebody tonight.

And NOW a Kante spoof by Batista...the E must be hiring younger writers.

"This is more like The Source awards.." - Matt Stryker after the Hardy/Master/Carlito brawl. Holy crap! Now THAT was funny.

Not really. The Rumble. I'd rather see HBK/HHH and Cena/Taker at WM

Did John Cena just channel the spirit of Tim Tebow? I mean...the orange and blue..he whole move on and work harder..not gonna lose again...? EDIT: hang on here's the speech: To the Fans and Everybody in Gator Nation, I'm Sorry. I'm Extremely sorry. We were hoping for an undefeated season. That was my goal, something Florida has never done here. I promise you one thing, a lot of good will come out of this. You will never see any player in the entire country play as hard as I will play the rest of the season. You will never see someone push the rest of the team as hard as I will push everybody the rest of the season And here's a partial recap of Cena: He says every time you fail its painful, and it causes sadness. Especially as he saw last night it causes disappointment. He says a man's character is not judged by how he celebrates victory, but what he does when his back is against the wall. He says there are some who were so offended by his actions last night that they might have lost faith in him, and he points out a "WE HATE CENA" guy in the front row and says he respects his decision to do so. He says he's not talking to them, but instead he's talking to those who are still in his corner. He says if you haven't given up on him, then he won't give up on you. He says WWE Universe is his everything, and he says what happened at TLC will never happen again. He says it is time to set the record straight, and his road to Wrestlemania starts now. He won't be stopped, and he can't be stopped. He says if you want a headline for WWE.com it's that he will not lose another match until he once again is WWE Champion Good lord, can this version of Cena get any more over-the-top cheesy?

Fair enough. But when your show only has like 12 people on it, most of them are technically going to end up in the main event eventually.

What he said. Everyone else that has been mentioned is an upper midcarder at best. No one on ECW is a main eventer in WWE terms. They go months without the title even being defended on a PPV. That show is basically a AAA feeder show.

You really just refuse to believe that your POV isn't anything more special or more correct than anyone else's POV don't you?

He did NOT get a Lesnar push. Brock came in and destroyed people, yes. But Brock was destroying established name wrestlers the night he debuted. By the time he was put in the main event scene he had feuded with both of the Hardyz, won KOTR, feuded with RVD, and got a giant rub by absolutely anhilating Hulk Hogan. By the time he beat The Rock at SummerSlam, he'd already worked matches with him, Undertaker and Kurt Angle. He was also massively over and had Paul Heyman to cut his promos for him. I just don't think you can compare the two. Sheamus has had a handful of matches on the main roster, tried to get heat by attacking a jobber and some ringside personnel, and won his shot in a cheap battle royal victory. He gets minimal heat and his look really doesn't seem that special imo I really REALLY don't see Sheamus as a credible world champ.

Meh. Sheamus is getting very little heatr from the live crowds. Yes, it's a shocking moment, but I really doubt it's going anywhere. I'm positive however it will not lead to the "downfall of the WWE."

Yeah...sit the next couple plays out, if you know what I mean

Take it easy, Champ. Why don't you stop talking for a while?

You really don't know what you're talking about. You have an OPINION. I think you should maybe consider that the majority of people who are out there watching wrestling just don't share your OPINION. The WWE as a business has proven that they want to market their product to the widest audience possible.They don't really care one way or the other about the internet wrestling geek, because those "fans" will watch anyway, even if it's just to boo the hell out of someone like Cena. It's sort of like arguing about music: pop music gets hammered by critics and destroyed by music snobs, but it makes millions of dollars. And in the end, isn't that KIND OF THE POINT.

HAHAHAHA....WTF? Listen, I think maybe you should try and wrap your head around something: wrestling is not a sport. It's a work. It's fake. The ONLY thing that REALLY matters in pro wrestling is a worker's ability to get the audience to pay to watch them. That's it. Whether it's by OMG roxorz!!! work rate or through the use of promos, or their look or their ability to play the babyface in peril or whatever. Whether it's getting people to pay to root them on or to watch them lose. It's wrestling; if you put asses in the seats, you are - by the only definition that matters in rasslin - a good worker. Your opinion on Cena, no matter how definitive you are, is still completely subjective. But the fact that Cena is the biggest draw in American pro wrestling since the Attitude Era..that's a truth. People are willing to pay to see him perform. A lot. For a sustained period of time. By the time he's finished he'll be looked at as one of the top 5 most successful WWE wrestlers ever. I know he's not a superior ring technician. And his character to me personally is dull as hell. But he's the biggest draw in the E which means he most definitely should be at the top of the card. To suggest anything else is just the delusional ramblings of internet wrestling snobs.

You're asking a lot of impossible questions in there. I think it's pretty obvious that Cena is good worker in the ring. The problem is that most people in the "IWC" think that being a good worker means you have a giant list of moves and technical savvy; almost by default they dismiss anyone who works the WWE style. Or to put it in TEW terms..brawlers will never get their due.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SaySo" data-cite="SaySo" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why even devote 10 minutes when you already know what is coming. It's a waste of 10 minutes. It's better to find something else. It's repetitive, god awful...but you already know that. So stop giving them ratings.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't have a Nielsen box attached to my TV. How am I giving them ratings?</p><p> </p><p> I tune in because I like wrestling (still DVR SD), I want to like Raw, and usually not much is going on at 6 pm (i have DirecTV so I get the East Coast feed)</p><p> </p><p> I give a try...if nothing about the show perks my interest I find something else to do. </p><p> </p><p> The point I'm making is, I can go weeks at a time without watching an entire episode of Raw, and not miss a thing. That not entertaining imo.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SaySo" data-cite="SaySo" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You know what's god awful and repetitive, hearing people complain about it. You think it would make folks find another thing to watch so they can forget about it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Who says I watch Raw? I can usually catch the first ten minutes or so and decide whether to stay tuned in.</p>

<p>To be fair, everything on Raw has been god awful boring and repetitive for almost two years. </p><p> </p><p> Cena's still the biggest draw in the company and the storylines aren't his fault, but I honestly can't remember the last time I found his character entertaining.</p>