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    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

    in The Dog Pound

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    That's probably right and it's really dumb

     

    So you're telling me on the night of a live PPV, no one bothered to check in on the two performers in the main event? Even if it was just to say.."hey this is what we alked about..are you all good with that?"

     

    Unless Hardy literally went and got wasted a few minutes before the curtain raised, there's no excuse for management not to know

     

    Would it really surprise you if that was the case?

    Official NBA Discussion Thread

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    Also for the NFL I think the NFL should cover all medical expenses of retired players that is determined Football related. Player X who retires can't be in a car wreck and have back problems the rest of his life and have the NFL pay, But player Y retires and had a bad back injury when he was playing and the pain comes back.

    This can get really ugly especially since many retired football players' injuries don't appear until 10-15 years after retirement. The NFL could simply argue that the injuries weren't football related and hold up players' medical payment requests ad infinitum. For example former full-back Kevin Turner was diagnosed with ALS, we don't yet know for sure that multiple head trauma and a severe neck injury during his playing days were a factor but I'd prefer the NFL ere on the side of caution and help him out. However if your suggestion was adopted the NFL would be allowed to shug their shoulders say, "sorry brah" and wheel Kevin Turner's into his forclosed home.

     

    Also players need to stop complaining about what they get after the retire from football, They make 60k a year for like 5 to 7 years. That is more than enough time to get a better education and getting a good job. 75% of players that are drafted are homeless four years after they retire. They need to take a hold of their lifes and realize football (unless you are a Manning or Brady) is not going to make you enough money to live off of for the rest of your life for one big reason..... You spend it on stupid crap and don't save or invest in something that will give you income after your years of playing are done.

    In my experience most people that are world class athletes aren't exactly barn burners in the financial department. Saying "just be smarter" will work as well on them as it would an 8-year-old.

    Official NBA Discussion Thread

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    The league is broken because in basketball more so than any other sport, you need stars to win. The problem is that there are too many teams and not enough stars so while a few teams are great and have a legit chance at winning a title, every other team might as well not show up because they don't have an all-star. And now the star players are cutting into the already negligible amount of legitimate contenders by saying screw it and muscling their way on to the same team.

     

    The league either needs to contract a half dozen teams or completely re-do the financial structure of the league. The league is broken because a star driven league has been stretched so thin half the teams in the league are wasting their times playing games and no it's not all the fault of the owners. Not to mention that the teams who have stars can keep all of their stars together for their entire careers as long as the stars want to keep playing there. You don't build teams in the NBA, you luck into a star or two and put pieces around them.

     

    I'm a Sixer fan and I love this team but I know if they are to ever get a chance to even sniff a title chance they need to luck into finding a star in the draft or finding a star who has a stroke and wants to play for a team without another star which may never happen again as the league is currently constructed. Really, why would a star player go to a team that doesn't have another star player?

     

    Maybe my definition of broken and your definitions differ. But when 3/4 the teams in the league might as well forfeit all 82 games because they don't have a prayer of making it out of the second round of the playoffs and will continue to be gigantic wastes of times unless they luck into a star. I think that denotes a broken league.

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

    in The Dog Pound

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    From Bischoff's Monday Night Mayhem interview:

    3-3-11 vignettes. What is the thought process of using that style of vignette when WWE did it with 2-21-11 for Undertaker. Bischoff said he had nothing to do with it. Bischoff was rather surprised when he saw it. He won't go deeper into that. He doesn't understand the thought process as he wasn't a part of it

     

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    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

    in The Dog Pound

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    I totally disagree. If you go to music or movie or TV or sports websites and fan forums, you get the exact same kind of feedback.

     

    The more invested/hardcore the fan, the more likely you are to hear that kind of analysis and negativity

     

    EDIT: keep in mind, I wrote an NFL column for 411mania and have written for Walterfootball; so I have first hand experience on that sports deal. I was physically threatened on a weekly basis lol. Just go to any SEC fan fourm: the amount of time spent breaking down the most minute of details and the over-all sense of " nothing makes me happy" completely blows wrestling sites out of the water

    I know where you're coming from. Perhaps I'm wrong in this assumption but I believe that the internet is a larger percentage of wrestling fandom than the percentage of internet fandom in those other mediums. Which is why I said what I said in the manner in which I said it. Again, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

     

    When it comes to sports, that's a completely different animal than any other form of entertainment so I chose to exclude it. The emotional investment that goes into sports rivals that of political affiliation. For example you never would hear a fan yelling "we won!" when Mad Men wins an Emmy.

     

    And again - to be fair - TNA tends to attract a much larger percentage of the snarky smart fans. WWE makes it's living on the mainstream, so realistically as much as smart fans complain, they aren't who the E is marketing to.

     

    Not so with TNA; they try to go after the net fans, so they are going to get more negative feedback because they care so much what the IWC thinks

     

    A good point but I don't believe that the principle cause of the whining aimed at TNA is because they care about what the IWC thinks.

     

    What? Casual movie fans do care about spotty script writing, lazy directing and poor character development, but they do so on a subconscious emotional level rather than an intellectual level. If a character doesn't develop in a satifying way throughout the movie, it can be an empty and unfulfilling experience. Casual viewers might not know why it feels empty, but they'll feel it all the same. It's the same with wrestling. When the heel Bully Ray faces tremendous 3-on-1 odds going into a PPV, a casual fan won't critique it like a hardcore fan, they won't rationlize it, but it might not feel compelling to them either. That's the dangerous thing. Not fury. Apathy. I doubt many casual fans would turn off infuriated at the booking. Rather they would simply not tune in the next week due to lack of emotional fulfillment. Done that with plenty of tv shows myself.

     

    While agree with your sentiments to a point, I don't believe that what you're saying is necessarily true in most or even many cases. There are plenty of examples of spotty script writing, lazy directing, and poor character development being attributes of blockbuster, award winning, movies and TV shows. Attributing all of that lack of emotional fulfillment to a subconscious reviewer is a bit of a stretch. There are many things that can cause that feeling.

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

    in The Dog Pound

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    The people you describe are casual fans and most casual fans are satisfied with what they see on TV. Generally speaking, they don't go to an Indy. The fans that do to see Indy wrestling are mostly the ones who care about how people are booked.

     

    Yup

     

    For the most part, the same fans who will go to an indy are EXACTLY the same fans that wil tear apart a TV show based on smarky ideas like 'work rate.'

     

    So while I agree that a lot of indy goers will just disregard TNA's booking, I also think it's definitely something they notice.

     

    But will they go "I was going to pay to go to this show...but TNA didn't book the co-main eventer well so...not gonna go now"

     

    It also depends heavily on what indy promotion's fan base we're looking at and in which part of the country.

     

    I was wrong for using a sweeping statement, I'm terribly sorry and will try very hard to never do it again.

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    Actually, books people SO bad, people ignore them. They use people so badly, it CAN'T affect their value, because people don't can't take TNA booking seriously. In other words, their booking is rather inconsequential. Would YOU take TNA booking seriously?

     

    Hell, they could probably put Kurt Angle in one those Japanese "Hard Gay" (seriously, there's such a thing, look it up) costume, and people would ignore it. Well, not ignore it... everyone would be up in arms, but no one would bother to assess the "loss of value", because it's TNA making him do it. Come on.

     

    You're assuming that everyone or even most people that watch wrestling and go to indy shows watch wrestling as if they're Roger Ebert. They don't. Not every wrestling fan is like you. The question of "taking booking seriously" isn't an issue for the vast majority of wrestling fans.

     

    Most wrestling fans don't watch a wrestling show and go "well I wouldn't have booked it that way, UGH what terrible booking, they need to push _______!" Instead they actually watch it for fun, not to analyze every aspect of the show and compare it to what you would have done had you gotten off your ass, worked hard, built relationships in the business, got lucky and got to book the show yourself.

     

    It's the same thing with many movie reviewers who babble about spotty script writing, lazy directing and poor character development as if John Q. Moviefan is going to give a damn. The average movie goer doesn't watch it with those things in mind, they watch movies to be entertained by the writing and directing. They don't sit back adjusting their monocle sipping 1953 Merlot waiting to be impressed and at the same time looking for every thing to hate about the movie.

     

    There are many wrestling fans who hate wrestling, that is unless it's presented the way they think it should be presented. You don't get that in many other entertainment mediums, in other mediums if you dislike it you just turn it off and quit bitching. When wrestling is being presented the way they want it to be they can do no wrong, all the great leaps in logic and bizarre booking is ignored. When it's not what they want they can do nothing right and all the issues with the booking become huge problems that are killing the company.

     

    I sorta went on a rant here on a subject that I usually go on a rant on. It's nothing new for me but I'm just tired of the constant childish bitching about booking and the assumption that the 2 million+ people who watch Raw and not Impact do so because of what they say is wrong with TNA.

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    Heel pope rules. His "Jesus just texted me" line gave me a hernia.

     

    With all the babble about no one knowing what side anyone is on and such in TNA, that argument has been pretty null for a while now. They still have angles that go absolutely no where, but we all know who is on who's side and if we don't know we find out quickly instead of it dragging on for months and months. You can hate on the characters and the booking, but the stories are making complete sense now. I have to imagine that there has either been some creative upheaval or creative have been re-invigorated somehow.

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    To be more specific, it was half-nude pictures that she forgot to tell them about. She is still beyond horrible as anyone who has seen her 'work' can tell you.

     

    Oh there are most definitely nudes of her out there. She may be horrible in the ring but whoever hires her does do so because she can put on great matches. Not to mention she's been wrestling for what less than 5 years now? It always takes longer for big guys to not stink up the place in the ring.

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