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BFG was the worst PPV of the year IMO. That is not what one expects on TNA's biggest show of the year.

This looks interesting. What mod are you using?

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You can pretty much ask the same question every time a big evil stable is in charge. Why didn't everyone just gang up on the evil McMahon and is Corporation back in the Attitude Era? Why didn't the whole roster unite against Vickie Guerrero and La Familia? Heck, why didn't the whole roster just get together and beat up the Shield for the last few months? Why were there never more than 3 guys getting together to fight them at the same time? I think history has told us that wrestlers for the most part are a self-centred bunch and it takes a lot for several of them to get together for a common cause. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Actually, a very simple explanation in this case would be that most of the wrestlers don't even care that much about Daniel Bryan anyway. Daniel Bryan's character hasn't really been the most sociable guy. I mean, his best pal was Kane (who wasn't around on RAW), and even Kane couldn't stand him half the time! I really don't think half the roster cares enough about him to risk antagonising the boss. Yes, it was an injustice, but if the good guys are running out to help every time someone is in need we'll be seeing random run-ins in 90% of the matches and angles in wrestling.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You guys are over thinking this. It's like in the RW, when your boss is an evil dictator and there is no union to defend you. You can try and do a strike, or you can go to work and accept his evilness. People would only need to stop working and they wouldn't be able to fire everyone. That is not what happens most of the time. People have to feed their wife and kids.</p>

Yup. I remember that one. I laughed a lot when you mentioned it in the chat, during the live broadcast. And I think it was a little demeaning to them. Aren't they some sort of anti rules/authority figures sort of stable, serving their own justice? It really looks anti gimmick. But nothing that will burry them.

This is all pretty much amazing to me. That is all I will say. I don't even know Stennick, but as I also don't like Cena and I know Shawn, I have no right to express myself. And good for me. People are talking about my posts, awesome. I have no idea how much of Shawn's posts I commented exactly, but I'm pretty sure that most of my posts are probably associated with his. He was the main reason why I got to know this place, and his dynasty was the main reason I posted in recent days. I'm usually one of those users that mostly reeds and never talks that much but I learned my lesson. I can only post where I'm told to post and It seems my opinion is not relevant because I know Shawn. Good for me. Good for me! Now I know where I am not allowed to post! Sorry Shawn, it seems I have to avoid every single one of your posts. Good for me!

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So you're saying if john cena took on a different persona tomorrow if he was someone completely different with a new gimmick people wouldn't hate him. Shawn is saying he would still hate him no.matter what character he played does that mean you hate ziggler because he was a spirit squad member or any wrestler for their last gimmick.<p> </p><p> No my point is that unless you hate john as a person then there is no reason you wouldn't say its not possible to like him in another role. Didn't anyone envision Steve Austin when he was the ringmaster....certainly not in the way we got him same goes for the Rock Shawn Michaels and tons of wrestlers who's gimmicks evolved and changed completely. So to say there is no way that any worker can't become something you would be interested in is either extreme shirt sightedness and delusion or you just aren't a fan of pro wrestling. </p><p> </p><p> My point isn't that you can't and shouldn't hate his character its that nobody should say there is nothing any worker can do to.become interesting since wrestling has proven all of us wrong on that front constantly. </p><p> </p><p> So maybe you should "say no to drugs" if you're too burnt out to comprehend the debate at hand...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You are the one not understanding the debate. What I said was that Shawn is right and you are wrong. And both of you keep having this discusion because you are always thinking that Shawn is thinking something he is not. Why do you even have these discussions? I have no idea. You guys seem to get along well, from what I've seen around the boards. But I agree with Shawn when it comes to Cena. You can't possibly think we are the only ones.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong> So please if there are so many people who agree with you and are willing to say "yes no matter what John Cena does we will hate him for all the end of time" then point to them</strong>. Because I'm betting 99.9999 percent of the people on here and reality are in the camp of "I hate the way the WWE pushes him but there are certainly things they could do to make me like him again and overall I think he's an average human being". You however don't seem to feel this way and I seriously get a Mark David Chapman vibe from you.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm one of those guys. He's not alone. I see tons of people chanting Cena sucks and you think Shawn is the only one to hate him? Say no to drugs.</p>

I agree with SM82 on this one. Stennick could have said the things he said without using the tone he did. Shawn was man enough to admit he shouldn't have said "all the IWC." Stennick is never man enough to admit he talks to people like the petulant guy he is. SM82 is not alone. I hate Cena and i know lots of people that also do. I go to wrestling forums daily and see a lot of people that hate him. What does that say about those people? Nothing, except the fact they hate him. Stennick acted like a douche. Admit it and move on.

But what a turn. it's not every day that we see someone turning by hitting a finisher on the Rock these days. And on that situation. That was nice.

Punk Turn...and still the WWE champion! Hell yeah!

Well Rock is coming to the Show, and they are promoting his comeback with this "Title pursuit statements" he made after Mania, so yeah, i can see him involved somehow. I just hope Cena becomes the 1st ever MITb winner to fail his cash in.

Very debatable. But each one with it's own opinion. And although you're not wrong, i think the other side is also true.

So true. We would stop analyzing every single move and word, and so on. God those days were fun. Still love wrestling, but it was much more fun then. What? The 5x, 5x, 5x 5x,...WCW world champ, and you think he sucks??? Are you kidding? Of course he sucks! God how he sucks at it! He doesn't even suck to the point of being a guilty pleasure, wich is sad. He just...sucks and although i like him, (as a wrestler) i definitely could live wihout his nonsensical commentary!

I have no idea why they chose the guys/girls they chose to win if they are not going to sign them. They should chose people they intend to sign as winners. I just don't get it.

Can you be more clear? I didn't got that one. Who are you talking about?

True. Though Fox mainly used this explanation with the Jennifer Morrison's dismissal of House, when in fact we all know that it was nothing more then a budget cut. There was a lot to do with Cameron, but they chose to stay with a part-time Olivia Wilde, oh well. But yeah, only in wrestling we see that happening, at least at this level.

Forgot to say: I also find it funny that the company will struggle to find ideas to keep him in and out of storylines, this from a company that virtually runned Taker feuds without him even setting foot on the TV shows. And Taker is just one of the cases. IF i get uspet by something is hearing that writers can't come up with ideas for something. Please, c'mon! Writers are suposed to have imagination, or they shouldn't be writers, and there are a lot of ways of making him feud with only 2 appearences a month without the need to explaing anything at all!

So...WWE hires him to job? Can't say i didn't saw that one coming. I knew Vince wouldn't forget the way he left in 04. And Vince always gets his revenge. I know he's a part-time worker and all, but some people actually expected him to be something more than used to put top talent over. A little more then some people, judging by the post PPV reactions. Oh well, i guess Lesnar's stint with the company will stick to it's original 1 year deal.

Best news WWE gave us in a while. It's a win-win situation, regardless of who wins. High expectations for this one!

Lord Tensai? That is one awful gimmick and a push made too fast. And that is one awful gimmick. And that breathing and screaming and all? Dear God! That is one awful gimmick even for a midcarder, let alone a ME. And they can't find a better guy to ME then A-Train? That is one awful gimmick! I'll say no more.

This. It's totally true. Can't deny it. It's like we're backing a soccer team, or football, or basket and it loses, we don't like it, and we criticize the coache's options and we say what we think he or the team could have done better. Nothing wrong with it. I, and i speak for myself, am aware that things won't always go on as we want to, but as long as they can keep us invested in a storyline, as they did in this one, than at least they're doing their job well. That doesn't mean some of us won't complain when someone we want to see winning, loses. i'm also aware that there's a bigger picture to look, and we have to wait and see how it turns out. As long as they keep me invested in it, fine by me. But i will always like or dislike some of their options and will openly say it. It's what i did, it's what the other guys probably did. So i lashed out a little bit, just like the football fan that saw his team lose, but as i said, as long as they keep in interesting, i will watch. It's pretty normal to be a bit vocal at the end of a ppv when something we dislike happens, i didn't insult any of you, just got a little mad with my "team" (in this case the wwe), but all in the limits of normality. Let's see what Raw has for us today. Ps: Also loved the Ryder inclusion. And if it did last a bit longer, it would have been even better. But it worked well.

It's amazing how some people don't even want to let us have our opinion. I did watch the show and it was predictable before the beginning. Big Show vs. Rhodes - that was the only match that really could end any way, besides the main event, as we all knew that Show wouldn't keep the title for long, the question was, when would he lose it? As a match it worked out great, and the finish was unexpected. Bryan vs. Sheamus - Can't get more predictable than this. The man won the title in 18 secs at Mania and has since been pushed as a dominant face. Did anyone really believed he would lose this match? C'mon! You guys are smart, clever guys. This was pretty obvious. It was a very good match, but it's hard (for me at least) to get behind a match whem most of the card is predictable. Punk vs. Jericho - Super over champion defends against part-timer who will tour soon. Need i to say more? THey did a great job on the ring, sure, but we all knew who the winner would be. Brock vs. Cena - Really thought Brock would win this one, until i saw him beating the crap out of Cena. How fun it would have been to see him win, go to "Raw starring Brock Lesnar" and establish himself as the man for a few weeks, until someone (possibly Punk, for example) would win and get order back on Raw. Great work by both guys in the ring. My problem is not just Cena wining, it's him winning as super Cena. I can definitely understand that he won, as it would be wrong to put a part time as the face of the company for long. What bothers me is that they could have booked it differently, to have Brock winning, with the fans in shock, as he would now "own" Raw, and that would not last long because he's a part timer, so Punk, as champion would beat him and restore Raw to normality. And Cena losing would only help further what could have been a good storyline. Would he be the same after his return? Could he overcome a losing streak? Or would he lash out? I mean, there was a lot of fun things to to with the Storyline if Brock won. That's what upsets me. I'm not saying thay can't do other things now, but as a fan, my opinion is that i would have like to see the outcome of a Cena defeat. So, Cena wining a part timer, who goes back and forward between businesses as it pleases him and his interests (Please don't compare him to the rock, Rock loves the busines, Brock doesn't) isn't really a big deal for me. I jut think they would have a more interesting way to go if he lost. My opinion, i have the right to it, and i'm not bashing anyone's opinions, so please don't to that to mine. Some of you guys must remember you are not the owners of the truth. I didn't attack anyone, just gave my 2 cents then, still giving them now. And i'm not even mentioning names. Everyone has the right to speak their minds. So...it was a good PPVwhen it comes to the actual matches, can't argue there, but the results were predictable, and i didn't like some of them. I have the right to do so. Ps: They could have at least let the Big Show make 1 successfull title defense. I may be wrong, but he never defended the title since Mania, right? He could have won yesterday, and he could have lost it today, or friday. But nothing against him losing the strap. Sorry for the long rant.

Super Cena all over again??? God, i think i'm going to quit watching WWE. I'm done with them! Cena always wins. it's boring, it's washed up and making Lesnar return to lose his debut match isn't that smart of a business move. I'm done. Predictable ppv in every line and every single match...and the only surprise, Cena's win, comes out when it shouldn't! WWE sucks!

I've just been reading some of these posts and...you think no one has been talking about Hall? Read the last pages,for crying out loud. Everyone's been complaining about him! I'm gald you didn't! LMAO!