The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

[PeterHilton]

The WWE just had how many guys under 35 in the main event of their last ppv?

 

All seven Nexus guys, Cena, Bryan, Morrison, etc.

 

TNA had 40+ ECW guys scattered all over theirs.

 

Not too mention Kurt Angle, Nash, Foley, Jarrett, Hogan, etc.

 

I think Eric is actually saying that the WWE is pushing too many young guys

 

Like I just posted in the E thread though how many of the NEXUS is drawing? If it was Wade Barrett V. Bryan Danielson in the Main Event would it draw and the answer is no. The people who watched SS were more intrested in WWE's superteam than NXTUS and having them lose dont help them at all

 

Long term growth vs short term gain.

 

Also...i guarantee i could go through Dixie comments ove rthe last year and find 10 examples of where she's contradicting Eric here.

[CQI13]

Yet everyone says Dixie has no business running a company, etc. I agree a balance must exist between established stars and new talent. But the audience is more interested in established stars by and large.

[PeterHilton]

Yet everyone says Dixie has no business running a company, etc. I agree a balance must exist between established stars and new talent. But the audience is more interested in established stars by and large.

 

Are they? Because TNA have added established name after established name and they're ratings have done basically nothing.

[MasterJ]

Are they? Because TNA have added established name after established name and they're ratings have done basically nothing.

 

That's because of poor marketing I mean whoever is in charge of that for TNA needs to be fired I have never seen a TNA Commercial outside of Spike and WWE has commercials on alot of channels if TNA Marketed the names they have the right way the could get 1.5 and up but the marketing is just not there it could be that the moneys not their but idk.

[SaySo]

That's because of poor marketing I mean whoever is in charge of that for TNA needs to be fired I have never seen a TNA Commercial outside of Spike and WWE has commercials on alot of channels if TNA Marketed the names they have the right way the could get 1.5 and up but the marketing is just not there it could be that the moneys not their but idk.

 

It's been poor marketing since the get-go. But i believe it has something to do with having all the eggs (money) in one basket (talent acquisition).

[PeterHilton]

That's because of poor marketing I mean whoever is in charge of that for TNA needs to be fired I have never seen a TNA Commercial outside of Spike and WWE has commercials on alot of channels if TNA Marketed the names they have the right way the could get 1.5 and up but the marketing is just not there it could be that the moneys not their but idk.

 

That's just stupid.

 

Marketing? Really? It has nothing to do with the fact that they blew their one chance to impress a bigger audience with those first few shows of the Hogan/Bischoff Era? Or that they moved to Monday waaaay too soon and completely shot themselves in the foot, thereby taking several steps backwards from a ratings standpoint?

 

Or maybe the names they brought in are just not that interesting to current fans?

 

TNA is putting on some good shows lately, but rehashing 10 year old names is a mistake and blaming their lack of progress simply on marketing is ridiculous.

[MasterJ]

That's just stupid.

 

Marketing? Really? It has nothing to do with the fact that they blew their one chance to impress a bigger audience with those first few shows of the Hogan/Bischoff Era? Or that they moved to Monday waaaay too soon and completely shot themselves in the foot, thereby taking several steps backwards from a ratings standpoint?

 

Or maybe the names they brought in are just not that interesting to current fans?

 

TNA is putting on some good shows lately, but rehashing 10 year old names is a mistake and blaming their lack of progress simply on marketing is ridiculous.

 

How will anyone know to watch something that they have never heard of it has all to do with marketing the first few shows with EB/Hogan what it got a 1.5 with no Marketing almost if they would market their product which is a different Sports Entertainment than what the WWE has right now with the promotion of Hogan/Flair/RVD/Hardy they could get better ratings and that 18-49 demo would love the knockout promote that it has all to do with marketing if no one knows what TNA is how is TNA every going to get big?

[SaySo]

They have Dixie Carter's father bank account along with all the increases in house shows/merch/etc. Why doesn't TNA fork up the cash and spend on marketing its brand and getting its name out there? Is it too much to ask?

[PeterHilton]

How will anyone know to watch something that they have never heard of it has all to do with marketing the first few shows with EB/Hogan what it got a 1.5 with no Marketing almost if they would market their product which is a different Sports Entertainment than what the WWE has right now with the promotion of Hogan/Flair/RVD/Hardy they could get better ratings and that 18-49 demo would love the knockout promote that it has all to do with marketing if no one knows what TNA is how is TNA every going to get big?

 

How exactly do you claim there was no marketing for those first few shows? Did you not notice the MSG press conference, Hogan and Bischoff and Dixie being interviewed on UFC events, the millions of commercials for Hogan's debut on all hours of Spike programming...?

 

Also..I know you're heard this before...but your posts are basically gibberish and I seriously have no idea what you said after the bit where I quoted. If you can't convey what you're saying in an understandable way it's hard to go back and forth on a message board.

 

Do us all a favor and spend a second writing more clearly. Please.

[SaySo]

How exactly do you claim there was no marketing for those first few shows? Did you not notice the MSG press conference, Hogan and Bischoff and Dixie being interviewed on UFC events, the millions of commercials for Hogan's debut on all hours of Spike programming...?

 

Also..I know you're heard this before...but your posts are basically gibberish and I seriously have no idea what you said after the bit where I quoted. If you can't convey what you're saying in an understandable way it's hard to go back and forth on a message board.

 

Do us all a favor and spend a second writing more clearly. Please.

 

My father, a non-wrestling fan who use to tell me how it was fake (e.g., Owen Hart incident at Over the Edge, he thought that was fake when it happened), saw those ads with Hogan debuting in TNA. I don't know how he got it because i never suspected him of watching programming on Spike. Nonetheless, he still was able to learn of it. I'm sure people who actually watch the WWE learn of it as well.

[MasterJ]

How exactly do you claim there was no marketing for those first few shows? Did you not notice the MSG press conference, Hogan and Bischoff and Dixie being interviewed on UFC events, the millions of commercials for Hogan's debut on all hours of Spike programming...?

 

Also..I know you're heard this before...but your posts are basically gibberish and I seriously have no idea what you said after the bit where I quoted. If you can't convey what you're saying in an understandable way it's hard to go back and forth on a message board.

 

Do us all a favor and spend a second writing more clearly. Please.

 

They had the MSG which was not seen by many, that had the UFC interview which was good, but were were the commercials, what about having Hogan on TV talking about it what about giving some effort in your Marketing.

 

As for you saying you understand my writing lol does that just mean that you cant prove me wrong because what I said was perfectly clear:rolleyes:

[MasterJ]

My father, a non-wrestling fan who use to tell me how it was fake (e.g., Owen Hart incident at Over the Edge, he thought that was fake when it happened), saw those ads with Hogan debuting in TNA. I don't know how he got it because i never suspected him of watching programming on Spike. Nonetheless, he still was able to learn of it. I'm sure people who actually watch the WWE learn of it as well.

 

were does your dad live because I know they did some marketing in NY but not much at all

[SaySo]

were does your dad live because I know they did some marketing in NY but not much at all

 

Arizona. Unless they had those Hogan/TNA Jan 4th ads on billboards along the train tracks from Tucson to Yuma or Tucson to El Paso, i'm thinking either surfing the internet or an ad on television. So the ads got out. It had to. On Jan 4, 2010, TNA had their biggest ratings ever. They had 3 million fans at one point to witness Hogan appearing at the iMPACT! Zone i believe.

[PeterHilton]

As for you saying you understand my writing lol does that just mean that you cant prove me wrong because what I said was perfectly clear:rolleyes:

 

No. It wasn't. If you think that this..

 

if they would market their product which is a different Sports Entertainment than what the WWE has right now with the promotion of Hogan/Flair/RVD/Hardy they could get better ratings and that 18-49 demo would love the knockout promote that it has all to do with marketing if no one knows what TNA is how is TNA every going to get big?

 

..is 'perfectly clear' then you have some serious issues with the English language.

 

And I don't have to "prove you wrong." You're wrong.

 

TNA and Spike spent millions on the promotion of that first episode, it was hyped heavily by mainstream press (here's an article on espn.com http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=4969328 ) the man was on everything from Larry King to Rachael Ray talking about it and you couldn't watch an hour of Spike without seeing an advertisement.

 

If you don;t think they promoted his debut, then you were either not paying attention or you're ignoring it to prove your point. Either way..every other person who posts in this thread can tell you: they promoted that show. Heavily. Period.

[ampulator]

MasterJ, you need to stop your run-on paragraphs. No, not run-on sentences... you have those, but you literally have run-on paragraphs. Use Punctuation. Please. And instead of typing whatever you think and pressing "Reply", look it over, and then do it.

[Stennick]

They drew a 2.6 on that Monday Night show. A 2.6 with every major wrestling star in the world not too mention Hulk Hogan.

 

In fact they had HUGE ratings those first couple of weeks. It had nothing to do with marketing.

 

There is no logical reason to explain why 2.6 million or whatever it was tuned into TNA impact that January 4th and by the time they left Monday nights they were doing what? .6's? Like Peter said they had every major star in the world that wasn't signed to the WWE.

 

Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Jeff Hardy, Mic Foley, Team 3D, the nWo, later on Rob Van Dam, Ken Anderson.

 

The argument that nobody knows they are out there is no longer accurate. Their not as wide spread as the WWE but 2.6 million people tuned in that Monday. Thats nearly triple what they normally bring in, at the very least 1 1/2 times what they bring in. There is a larger audience out there that knows they have Sting, Hogan, Flair, Foley, the nWo, RVD, Anderson, Team 3D and they just don't care. Those 2.6 million or whatever it was tuned in for the first week, after that they clicked away from that to watch the WWE's "younger guys" more and more every week until TNA was forced to run back to Thursday nights.

 

The fact is nobody in TNA is a draw. Not one single person puts butts in there seats. They have proven it over and over again that no matter WHO the focus of the show is their going to roughly draw the same rating. Remember when it was Christian, remember when it was Sting, Angle, AJ/Joe/Daniels, Jeff Jarrett , it doesn't matter who they throw out there. Young, old they have not found a way to make them into a draw.

 

Pro Wrestling today is no longer about "draws". If John Cena left tomorrow and showed up in TNA they would get a boost MAYBE for two weeks before people tuned back out and over to the WWE.

 

Just like TNA has a core 1.0 audience, the WWE has a core 3.0 audience. The WWE's is mostly the remnants of whats left out of the Monday Night Wars combined with some younger kids. TNA's I would imagine is mostly internet fans such as ourselves that tune in combined with a recent spike in either old ECW fans or more casual fans depending on what you give credit to for the recent spike.

 

People get so caught up in this guy is a draw or that guy is a draw. Hogan, Flair, The Rock, Austin, the nWo, they were MADE into draws with strong storytelling and natural talent on the part of the people playing the characters. It takes more than a talented roster to become a draw. It takes long term (a year plus in most cases maybe more now) QUALITY storytelling.

 

It can't be you put on three months worth of interesting storytelling before either reverting back to your bland predictable television or even worse swerving into some nostalgia train hoping to bring back people who have long moved on from the world of pro wrestling.

 

Its not about young or old in fact the only differences between young and old at this point are a few things. First of all from guys like Sting, Foley to Shane Helms their going to come in expecting more pay than guys like Roderick Strong, Desmond Wolfe, Austin Aries, etc. So really if you're going to draw the same no matter what why not drawing the cheaper guys? Aside from being cheaper there is more upside to focusing on 20+ year old guys than there is 40-50 year old guys. Their going to be injured less (in most cases), their going to be able to take the demand that is nightly pro wrestling better and their going to be around longer.

 

All that being said if you look at TNA's numbers they have had plenty of chances and plenty of spikes in audience. Nobody cares about Mic Foley, Kevin Nash and Sting anymore. Or not near on the level then did in 1996. To say there is no proof is just silly. You can't judge by your neighbor's cousin or your best friends third cousin. The NUMBERS tell the story. 2.6 rating to a .6 rating tells you everything you need to know. Their Thursday numbers rising back up to a 1.0 tells you everything you need to know.

 

It says "we like your show enough to tune in but if you make us pick between what you have going on and what Vince has going on we will not watch your show". So to say that established stars are still drawing is silly when if that was the case TNA would be murdering the WWE in the ratings right now. Don't blame it on their advertising and marketing which by the way I'm pretty sure Spike controls iMpact's media advertising as far as television goes at the very least. People tuned in on January 4th and haven't tuned back in since.

[Hyde Hill]

<p>You are getting ratings and viewer numbers confused but yeah I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Still one aspect TNA can improve upon is their marketing. Is that the sole reason for their lack of better success? nope. Is it a reason? yep.</p><p> </p><p>

Was the jan 4th advertising their biggest ad campaign ever? Yep. Did Hogan mainly talk about his book and then mentioned TNA sometimes without mentioning jan 4th? Yep. Was their highest segment a 1.9 and the total rating a 1.5? Yep. Are there still a lot more possible fans out there who are not aware off TNA? Yep. Do we tend to underestimate that amount seeing as we are wrestling fans? Yep.</p><p> </p><p>

Ah well I just hope TNA gets back to their move back to Thursday till EV2.0 quality run of shows from a personal standpoint. Oh yeah and bring back Daniels!!!!!</p>

[Fantabulous]

The January 4th Impact did not do a 2.6 rating. It did a 1.44 rating. The number of viewers were 2..19 million, however.

[Hyde Hill]

<p>Actually it was a 1.5 rating not 1.44.</p><p> </p><p>

Source:</p><p> </p><p>

<a href="http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/149739/The-Hamilton-Ave-Journal-08.19.10:-Volume-2-%E2%80%93-Issue-151.htm" rel="external nofollow">http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/149739/The-Hamilton-Ave-Journal-08.19.10:-Volume-2-%E2%80%93-Issue-151.htm</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

And for the three hours:</p><p> </p><p>

<a href="http://www.examiner.com/pro-wrestling-in-new-york/ratings-news-for-both-wwe-raw-and-tna-impact-on-january-4" rel="external nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/pro-wrestling-in-new-york/ratings-news-for-both-wwe-raw-and-tna-impact-on-january-4</a></p><p> </p><p>

I think you where thinking about the second hour.</p>

[Hyde Hill]

In other news according to PWI TNA has indeed signed Becky Bayless. What I have seen from her I like so good to see the KO's getting buffed up again. Remi your analysis of Becky please?

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You are getting ratings and viewer numbers confused but yeah I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Still one aspect TNA can improve upon is their marketing. Is that the sole reason for their lack of better success? nope. Is it a reason? yep.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It is definitely a reason but I wouldn't say it's a primary reason. And more than anything I was arguing that TNA did no marketing for the January show.</p><p> </p><p> And you're right that Hogan promoted his book, but that's what you get for dealing with Hogan: he's on board and he'll say all the right things and he'll pimp your company...just so long as there's something in it for him.</p>

[Hyde Hill]

<p>Arguing against the no marketing isn't it?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TNA and Spike spent millions on the promotion of that first episode, it was hyped heavily by mainstream press (here's an article on espn.com <a href="http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=4969328" rel="external nofollow">http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=4969328</a> ) the man was on everything from Larry King to Rachael Ray talking about it and you couldn't watch an hour of Spike without seeing an advertisement. <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> but at the same time a lack of marketing which is not no marketing.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway this is getting into semantics. And you know we agree here Peter.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<p>Yes. Typo now that I read it. </p><p> </p><p>

That's what i meant..I was arguing that TNA did do marketing for the Jan show and yes we agree.</p>

[The Final Countdown]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In other news according to PWI TNA has indeed signed Becky Bayless. What I have seen from her I like so good to see the KO's getting buffed up again. Remi your analysis of Becky please?</div></blockquote><p> I know I'm not Remi, but I'm responding to this anyway. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I like Becky well enough, but I'd hope she's being brought in as a manager or personality of some kind. She's never impressed me the few times I've actually seen her wrestle. Of course, TNA puts LVE in the ring from time to time, so anything is possible.</p>

[Fantabulous]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Actually it was a 1.5 rating not 1.44.<p> </p><p> Source:</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/149739/The-Hamilton-Ave-Journal-08.19.10:-Volume-2-%E2%80%93-Issue-151.htm" rel="external nofollow">http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/149739/The-Hamilton-Ave-Journal-08.19.10:-Volume-2-%E2%80%93-Issue-151.htm</a></p><p> </p><p> I think you where thinking about the second hour.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/TNA/article1009629.shtml" rel="external nofollow">http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/TNA/article1009629.shtml</a></p><p> </p><p> Most sites tend to round up to an even number, which is where the incorrect 1.5 comes from. And no, I was not thinking about the second hour.</p>