Fantabulous Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I'll bite. Saying Kurt Angle or AJ aren't to The Rock's standard on the mic is probably true but The Rock was one of a kind. Someone that good on the mic doesn't come along very often, so to knock someone's mic skills because they aren't as good as The Rock is like trying to knock someone's drawing power because they didn't do the business The Rock or Steve Austin did. You're comparing them to a level that few people ever get close to. Who are these people that are better on the mic than AJ and Kurt and have more ability to deliver? It would help if you could back up such a statement with some names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I'll bite. Saying Kurt Angle or AJ aren't to The Rock's standard on the mic is probably true but The Rock was one of a kind. Someone that good on the mic doesn't come along very often, so to knock someone's mic skills because they aren't as good as The Rock is like trying to knock someone's drawing power because they didn't do the business The Rock or Steve Austin did. You're comparing them to a level that few people ever get close to. Who are these people that are better on the mic than AJ and Kurt and have more ability to deliver? It would help if you could back up such a statement with some names. No sure how active you've been in this thread in the past, but thommohawk is not exactly the most reasonable or rational guy to debate with. Good luck with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 My only complaint way back when was in the statement that he's 'not that great' which - to me - signifies someone who is totally average and unremarkable on the mic AND that he's comparable to AJ. Oh dude come on, you speak as if Angle's one of the best workers of the mic in the history of wrestling when he's clearly far from it....Fact is if AJ is nowhere Angle then what does that make Angle next to someone like The Rock ?? He's nowhere near the great mic workers....hence my comment. Also for what it's worth, which is clearly very little, I actually thought AJ delivered a very good promo against Bischoff at the end of this week's Impact, I thought he did very well. Though I have a feeling there was some real emotion driving that. As for Angle I'm not saying he isn't good, he quite clearly is, but he's not great. The Rock is great on mic, Jake Roberts in his prime was great on mic, HBK is great on mic, Jericho is great on mic. In the ring is a whole different story but on the mic Angle isn't anywhere near these either in natural charisma or line delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 No sure how active you've been in this thread in the past, but thommohawk is not exactly the most reasonable or rational guy to debate with. Good luck with this. I'm familiar with his reputation but I'll see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Oh dude come on, you speak as if Angle's one of the best workers of the mic in the history of wrestling when he's clearly far from it....Fact is if AJ is nowhere Angle then what does that make Angle next to someone like The Rock ?? He's nowhere near the great mic workers....hence my comment. Also for what it's worth, which is clearly very little, I actually thought AJ delivered a very good promo against Bischoff at the end of this week's Impact, I thought he did very well. Though I have a feeling there was some real emotion driving that. As for Angle I'm not saying he isn't good, he quite clearly is, but he's not great. The Rock is great on mic, Jake Roberts in his prime was great on mic, HBK is great on mic, Jericho is great on mic. In the ring is a whole different story but on the mic Angle isn't anywhere near these either in natural charisma or line delivery. Meh. All you're really saying is that Kurt Angle isn't as great as the top 1% of the workers in the history of the industry. Fine. If you don't think he's at those historic upper levels, that's totally fair. But he's better than a vast majority of the people working today. He has been for just about his entire career. And to me, that makes him 'great.' It's like you're saying that a guy has to be one of the top promo guys EVER to be considered great, and I don't think that's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Meh. All you're really saying is that Kurt Angle isn't as great as the top 1% of the workers in the history of the industry. Fine. If you don't think he's at those historic upper levels, that's totally fair. But he's better than a vast majority of the people working today. He has been for just about his entire career. And to me, that makes him 'great.' It's like you're saying that a guy has to be one of the top promo guys EVER to be considered great, and I don't think that's true. Okay me and you clearly have differing opinions on what constitutes being 'great' on mic. I will say The Rock was/is if anything exceptional in terms of mic work. But to me, Angle on mic is distinctly average, especially compared to people like Triple H, CM Punk, Randy Orton, HBK, Edge and the other names I mentioned in the other post. Hell even Ken Anderson is much better on mic than Angle is, there's another name who is great on mic. Angle just doesn't deliver as well as these guys do on the mic. Especially in my honest opinion. And I'm not knocking Angle, I respect the guy and he's highly entertaining but I stand by my assertion which I feel is absolutely true and not meaning any offence to anyone in this thread, but if you can tell me with a straight face that Angle is as good on mic as any of these people then you are quite clearly crazy. Or you are watching different wrestling than I am. In addition, what you say in the quote there wasn't what either of us was actually saying.....you're trying to put words in my mouth and twist the facts, I never said Angle wasn't better than a vast majority of the people working today and I never said he wasn't great. What I did say was that he isn't as good on the mic as the wrestlers who are great on the mic. And I hardly think that covers 1% of all workers lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 ... but if you can tell me with a straight face that Angle is as good on mic as any of these people then you are quite clearly crazy. Or you are watching different wrestling than I am. Maybe he just has a different opinion. If you're not trolling just to get a reaction, then read those lines again to see why people around here don't like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Okay me and you clearly have differing opinions on what constitutes being 'great' on mic. I will say The Rock was/is if anything exceptional in terms of mic work. But to me, Angle on mic is distinctly average, especially compared to people like Triple H, CM Punk, Randy Orton, HBK, Edge and the other names I mentioned in the other post. Hell even Ken Anderson is much better on mic than Angle is, there's another name who is great on mic. Angle just doesn't deliver as well as these guys do on the mic. Especially in my honest opinion. And I'm not knocking Angle, I respect the guy and he's highly entertaining but I stand by my assertion which I feel is absolutely true and not meaning any offence to anyone in this thread, but if you can tell me with a straight face that Angle is as good on mic as any of these people then you are quite clearly crazy. Or you are watching different wrestling than I am. I'd say Angle is better than Orton and Trips (I can't honestly remember the last time I enjoyed or even remembered a Triple H promo) and is as good as Edge. Agree to disagree, but I think you'd have hard time finding a majority of people who would say Orton and/or Triple H are definitively better than Kurt Angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 In addition, what you say in the quote there wasn't what either of us was actually saying.....you're trying to put words in my mouth and twist the facts, I never said Angle wasn't better than a vast majority of the people working today and I never said he wasn't great. What I did say was that he isn't as good on the mic as the wrestlers who are great on the mic. And I hardly think that covers 1% of all workers lol. Semantics. 'Not that great' to most people means 'average' or just above average. To me, that's not Kurt. That is - however - AJ Styles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 See, a "fact" would be something like "Kurt Angle won the Wrestling Observer Award for best interviews in 2002, an honor he shares with The Rock (1999-2000), Steve Austin (1996-1998), and Chris Jericho (2003, 2008-2009)." While it might be an opinion (specifically an inference) to say that many people consider Angle to be an elite talker, because he won an award that other elite talkers have won, it's an opinion supported by actual fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Maybe he just has a different opinion. If you're not trolling just to get a reaction, then read those lines again to see why people around here don't like you. Dude I'm not even up to 30 posts in 4 years how the hell am I disliked so already lol. By the way, I don't care. I can troll with the best of them and be the biggest a$$hole when I want to be, but honestly that's not what I'm like...which only proves how wrong you are as I'm really not one of these people that goes to forums to troll and cause trouble. Yet I'm often around when it happens. Tight communities. Politics. Straight talking opinion (me). Do the math. Go figure. That's why I'm disliked here....and that's why a lot of you people disagree with me, not because you think I'm wrong, which I'm obviously not, but because you don't like me for whatever reason. In which case....you people are not a very tolerant bunch. I mean my god I'm not even up to 30 posts yet and you pre judge me as if you've know me. All based on opinion and the things I've said in the past which by the way for the record you had coming because I don't go looking to start crap. Always the same names I notice too, funny that. I don't know why I'm even bothering stating my point of view or even arguing my case as reality proves on a weekly basis that I'm correct. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Instead you clutch to any straw you can to discredit a true statement simply because you dislike the person that said it. LOL. That's just sad.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thommohawk" data-cite="thommohawk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Dude I'm not even up to 30 posts in 4 years how the hell am I disliked so already lol. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Posts in the Dog Pound don't count. So your number is probably MUCH higher. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yet I'm often around when it happens. Tight communities. Politics. Straight talking opinion (me). Do the math. Go figure. That's why I'm disliked here....and that's why a lot of you people disagree with me, not because you think I'm wrong, which I'm obviously not, but because you don't like me for whatever reason. In which case....you people are not a very tolerant bunch. I mean my god I'm not even up to 30 posts yet and you pre judge me as if you've know me. All based on opinion and the things I've said in the past which by the way for the record you had coming because I don't go looking to start crap.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> THIS is why people don't like you. You speak as if your opinion is the only one that counts and you never admit when you're 'wrong' even if what you say is factually untrue.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Posts in the Dog Pound don't count. So your number is probably MUCH higher. <p> </p><p> THIS is why people don't like you. You speak as if your opinion is the only one that counts and you never admit when you're 'wrong' even if what you say is factually untrue.</p></div></blockquote><p> I see why you speak of him in such reverence.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Posts in the Dog Pound don't count. So your number is probably MUCH higher. <p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> THIS is why people don't like you. You speak as if your opinion is the only one that counts and you never admit when you're 'wrong' even if what you say is factually untrue.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Based on my interactions with you I call pot, kettle, black again.</p><p> </p><p> I don't deny that I say stupid things and I don't help my case sometimes but neither do you guys. Honestly I've only just started posting semi regularly here and already you guys are up my ass trying to shoot me down in flames because I have an attitude or whatever....see my problem is I think you're full of crap sometimes....but honestly, the truth is despite the things I sometimes say you really do have me down wrong. Not that you care. </p><p> </p><p> Also, you say I act like my opinion is the only one that counts ? Do you not do that when you feel you're 100% correct and someone else tries to counter that with something you feel is honestly 100% crap ? If I'm the only one then I'll hold my hands up and claim imperfection....</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thommohawk" data-cite="thommohawk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> I don't know why I'm even bothering stating my point of view or even arguing my case as reality proves on a weekly basis that I'm correct. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Instead you clutch to any straw you can to discredit a true statement simply because you dislike the person that said it. LOL. That's just sad....</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nice. Another epic 'promo' by thommohawk. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I like how you never bothered addressing the 'straw' that lazorbeak brought up.</p><p> </p><p> You have every right to your opinion, but whenever anyone challenges it, this BS starts where you just lose your sh*t and turn it into a flame war. </p><p> </p><p> You don't think Kurt Angle s that great as a promo. Fine. But just because YOU think so doesn't make it a fact. Get over yourself.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thommohawk" data-cite="thommohawk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also, you say I act like my opinion is the only one that counts ? Do you not do that when you feel you're 100% correct and someone else tries to counter that with something you feel is honestly 100% crap ? If I'm the only one then I'll hold my hands up and claim imperfection....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Maybe. But I try not to state it as if the other guys is a complete a-hole for disagreeing with me. </p><p> </p><p> "why am I even bothering stating my point of view or even arguing my case as reality proves on a weekly basis that I'm correct. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it."</p><p> </p><p> Why are you cutting a promo???? Why? You have an opinion and it's worth being discussed. Fantabulous even gave some merit to your opinion. BUt as soon as I said I didn't agree with the way you stated it or that I didn't think he was worse than Triple H we get to hear that. </p><p> </p><p> C'mon....it's an opinion based discussion about wrestling.</p><p> </p><p> Calm down.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 We seem to have long established that thommohawk gimmicks it up for yucks or whatever so why not just ignore him completely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nice. Another epic 'promo' by thommohawk. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> I like how you never bothered addressing the 'straw' that lazorbeak brought up.</p><p> </p><p> You have every right to your opinion, but whenever anyone challenges it, this BS starts where you just lose your sh*t and turn it into a flame war. </p><p> </p><p> You don't think Kurt Angle s that great as a promo. Fine. But just because YOU think so doesn't make it a fact. Get over yourself.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh here we go, if you're going to play that game then I notice how you ignored my post above too....you do realize that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I'm trying with you people but at this point I might as well tell you people to go **** yourselves because you're nothing more than *******s yourselves. Because let's face it I'm not tolerated here because you guys are elitist pricks. End of story.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We seem to have long established that thommohawk gimmicks it up for yucks or whatever so why not just ignore him completely?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> slow day at the office??? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Maybe. But I try not to state it as if the other guys is a complete a-hole for disagreeing with me. <p> </p><p> "why am I even bothering stating my point of view or even arguing my case as reality proves on a weekly basis that I'm correct. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it."</p><p> </p><p> Why are you cutting a promo???? Why? You have an opinion and it's worth being discussed. Fantabulous even gave some merit to your opinion. BUt as soon as I said I didn't agree with the way you stated it or that I didn't think he was worse than Triple H we get to hear that. </p><p> </p><p> C'mon....it's an opinion based discussion about wrestling.</p><p> </p><p> Calm down.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> PETE... HILTON... [heavy breathing]</p><p> </p><p> WHEN I LOOK UPON THE SPIRITS AND HEAR THE VOICES CALL OUT TO ME, YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOUR END IS NEAR! [turns back to camera]</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thommohawk" data-cite="thommohawk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Because let's face it I'm not tolerated here because you guys are elitist pricks. End of story.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If you honestly want to post here without being harassed then you need to stop posting as if your opinion is the only one that matters, or at leat express it differently</p><p> </p><p> I like talking wrestling on these boards specifically because we have less people who do that to each other. You're acting like this is 411mania.com and you don't have to. No one was rude to you. No one discounted your opinion. </p><p> </p><p> I disagree with you. That's it. That doesn't mean I think you're a bad poster or not worth talking to or whatever. But the way you react kinda does.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>PETE... HILTON... [heavy breathing]<p> </p><p> WHEN I LOOK UPON THE SPIRITS AND HEAR THE VOICES CALL OUT TO ME, YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOUR END IS NEAR! [turns back to camera]</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />:D:D</p><p> </p><p> always the jokester</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommohawk Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <p>Like I said people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....I have an attitude towards you, you have an attitude towards me. I don't think you're an a-hole for your opinion against mine, it was just a wrestling discussion, and on that basis I strongly disagree with the things you've said to me thus far at least. And vice versa. And that's fine. I do however think you're an a-hole for the things you've said to me, and the same vice versa. Yet here we are at pistols drawn and the 'im not listening' point where it's like talking to a brick wall on all sides. For example, I will bet you that if I'd been more tactful in my posts rather than forthright you wouldn't have disagreed as much as you currently are disagreeing with me. It's like you're hunting for any shred to discredit my statements just because you don't like me or the things I've said. How childish is that....admit it, you're at the point now where you're jerking me around just to be a-holes and you're the ones trolling me. If you're not I'd hate to see you if you were....</p><p> </p><p> I won't deny that I make an ass out of myself and say stupid things, this is the internet. I also don't deny that I attract drama like nobody's business even though I honestly don't go looking for it, again this is the internet. But I do feel that we're on the wrong foot with each other though it's probably too little too late.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In the late 80s early 90s WWF had Hulk Hogan as the face of the company. In the early 90s WCW had Sting. Who is TNA's? I think AJ Styles.<p> </p><p> TNA needs to realize that AJ Styles is the face of their company and they need to finally build him that way. Don't have him floundering around a secondary title. He needs to be towards the top of the card on a regular basis. He is a former World Champion and should be treated and respected as one.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree they should bulild on AJ. I have never enjoyed him when he was a heel. I thought the Prince AJ thing he was doing a couple of years ago was going to kill his career much like the Red Rooster thing did to Terry Taylor. He was able to survive that but yeah he stinks as a heel.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Beer Money are better as babyfaces. I was so annoyed when they turned heel back in January. It was the first step in me losing interest in Hogan's regime.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I am blah about Beer Money being faces or heels. I like them as wrestlers but as personalities neither stands out. I actually liked Robert Roode better when he was a singles wrestler and a heel.</p><p> </p><p> @ thommohawk: You are just dealing with the biggest trolls on the site in Peter and Lazorbeak. If you want just put them on ignore.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> @ thommohawk: <strong>You are just dealing with the biggest trolls on the site in Peter and Lazorbeak</strong>. If you want just put them on ignore.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Are you joking? Not only did I not instigate anything, all I did was present a fact and cut a promo on Hilton after he said something about cutting a promo. Seriously have I ever said anything this rude about you, ever? If I have some beef with you that I just don't remember, I certainly apologize, but I have no idea what I've done that's justified that reaction in the least.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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