GatorBait19 Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 This. Plus the Bucks just gave Drew Gooden a 5 year, $32 million deal and the TWolves gave darko a 4 year $20 million deal. THAT'S why i find it so hard to listen to anyone who wants to blame the "cap structure" for the financial troubles of some of these teams. I never said the owners were at fault either. I stated the fact that the cap structure is so messed up is a reason why teams like Cavs, Magic, Heat and others who win can still lose money during a season. They can spend money to make sure they win and make deep runs in the playoffs, yet it still affects their income to do so. I never said owners weren't stupid with money, so get over it Peter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I never said the owners were at fault either. I stated the fact that the cap structure is so messed up is a reason why teams like Cavs, Magic, Heat and others who win can still lose money during a season. They can spend money to make sure they win and make deep runs in the playoffs, yet it still affects their income to do so. I never said owners weren't stupid with money, so get over it Peter. ??? I'm sorry ..still don't really understand your point. It's the league's job to protect the owners from themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagaholic Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 ??? I'm sorry ..still don't really understand your point. It's the league's job to protect the owners from themselves? I'd say that's part of the job description of the commish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidSwords Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 This. Plus the Bucks just gave Drew Gooden a 5 year, $32 million deal and the TWolves gave darko a 4 year $20 million deal. THAT'S why i find it so hard to listen to anyone who wants to blame the "cap structure" for the financial troubles of some of these teams. I don't see how the owners are going to have any sort of leverage in the next CBA negotiations with the type of spending that is going on. Plus the Grizzlies just offered Rudy Gay an $82 million dollar extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagaholic Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I don't see how the owners are going to have any sort of leverage in the next CBA negotiations with the type of spending that is going on. Plus the Grizzlies just offered Rudy Gay an $82 million dollar extension. There's a free agent frenzy because this is the last year in this CBA. The next CBA, max salaries will likely be lowered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I'd say that's part of the job description of the commish. And I'd disagree The cap is meant to ensure competitive balance. The loopholes are there so that teams have some flexibility when it comes to signing players. But after that..barring some kind of gross incompetence or intentional negligence, I'm not going to agree with the idea that "hey we need to change the cap rules/CBA because the owners are too dumb to control themselves." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagaholic Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 And I'd disagree The cap is meant to ensure competitive balance. The loopholes are there so that teams have some flexibility when it comes to signing players. But after that..barring some kind of gross incompetence or intentional negligence, I'm not going to agree with the idea that "hey we need to change the cap rules/CBA because the owners are too dumb to control themselves." In pro sports ownership, you can't just gloss over that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 In pro sports ownership, you can't just gloss over that fact. I would say that you're overstating how bad these owners are. Look, we don't really know if these teams are losing as much money as they say they are (if any). And there's a HUGE difference between 'a bad contract' and gross negligence. If you're going to dummy proof the league and the cap rules, then you might as well take away all control from the teams and just allow the league office make all roster decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 So did Joe Johnson sign for 119 years and Drew Gooden for 32? Only way those numbers make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 So I guess Mercenary Phil thinks he can win another title with the Lakers, because he is sticking around for one more season. Because we all know if he thought they did not have a shot he would get out of there as soon as possible and "retire", until the next team that has a good shot at becoming a dynasty needs a coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 At 65, I don't think he'd be coming back out of "retirement" to coach anyone. Guess Brian Shaw will just wait another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorBait19 Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 At 65, I don't think he'd be coming back out of "retirement" to coach anyone. Guess Brian Shaw will just wait another year. I think its a win win for the lakers and Shaw For Shaw, he won't be a coach this year. He will however more than likely coach next year and coach a team that is championship ready with some great players on it. He will also get one more year under Phil to better master the playbook. Also he won't be going to the cavaliers which is good as well. Without lebron cavaliers could possible pull out an 8th seed in the playoffs, but they won't be championship contenders For the lakers its a win because they will have Phil for a final year and a replacement in the wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Can't wait for free agency to pick up. I'm tired of: "Chris Bosh was seen taking a leak at the Miami airport. He is signing here FOR SURE!" passing as news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 I heard James was supposed to make a decision today, but until I see anything I count it as fodder hype. In other news, however... Stoudemire. To the Knicks. 5 years deal.. for roughly 100 million dollars. *pinky to mouth* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorBait19 Posted July 6, 2010 Author Share Posted July 6, 2010 I heard James was supposed to make a decision today, but until I see anything I count it as fodder hype. In other news, however... Stoudemire. To the Knicks. 5 years deal.. for roughly 100 million dollars. *pinky to mouth* Is it official, I have been told that it hinges on Lebron and that even when July 8th hits a formal contract won't be given. Only until after the Lebron situation will it be. EDIT: NVM I guess it is official Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 Is it official, I have been told that it hinges on Lebron and that even when July 8th hits a formal contract won't be given. Only until after the Lebron situation will it be. EDIT: NVM I guess it is official http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5356502 Well it's being reported as being 'official' but the deadlines and whatnot mean nothing can be signed for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorBait19 Posted July 6, 2010 Author Share Posted July 6, 2010 http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5356502 Well it's being reported as being 'official' but the deadlines and whatnot mean nothing can be signed for a few days. Man so Joe and Amire are off the board. I feel bad for Nash now, Warrick and Channing are his Amire replacements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorBait19 Posted July 6, 2010 Author Share Posted July 6, 2010 So I am lost, why do people believe the 2010 free agent class is the best ever? My boss and I were talking about this and he believes the 2010 class is the best, because it could change the NBA for years. I came back with "What about 96, you don't believe that class couldn't have or did? You have Shaq who made LA viable again, Jordan, Reggie Miller, Juwan Howard, Tim Hardaway, Dennis Rodman, Sprewell, Horace Grant, Dikembe Mutumbo, Allan Houston, and Kenny Anderson." Juwan Howard is the first player in the NBA to sign a 100 million dollar contract. he still believes that the 2010 is better and that's cool with me, I just don't see it to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 It could depend of what the stakes were. Like, how many resigned? How many changed camps? How many were lock-ins to the eyes of many and such, although granted the lineup is near doubly in size, maybe a certain factor could've put things in perspective. I wouldn't know though, haven't been aware of that draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 So I am lost, why do people believe the 2010 free agent class is the best ever? My boss and I were talking about this and he believes the 2010 class is the best, because it could change the NBA for years. I came back with "What about 96, you don't believe that class couldn't have or did? You have Shaq who made LA viable again, Jordan, Reggie Miller, Juwan Howard, Tim Hardaway, Dennis Rodman, Sprewell, Horace Grant, Dikembe Mutumbo, Allan Houston, and Kenny Anderson." Juwan Howard is the first player in the NBA to sign a 100 million dollar contract. he still believes that the 2010 is better and that's cool with me, I just don't see it to me. The simple answer is that people/the media cover everything as if everything today is the greatest thing ever. I think the reason the 96 season isn't as 'memorable' is because not many marquee players actually changed teams. Shaq was a HUGE deal but there were just as many historically bad deals signed (Juwan, Houston, Jim McIlvaine) as any big movements. So that sort of detracts from it. To be fair, 2010 is going to be a lot of empty hype unless James or Wade move to different teams. So we'll see..decades from now no one will be looking back at 2010 and talking wistfully about Drew Gooden and Steve Blake signing new deals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorBait19 Posted July 6, 2010 Author Share Posted July 6, 2010 The simple answer is that people/the media cover everything as if everything today is the greatest thing ever. I think the reason the 96 season isn't as 'memorable' is because not many marquee players actually changed teams. Shaq was a HUGE deal but there were just as many historically bad deals signed (Juwan, Houston, Jim McIlvaine) as any big movements. So that sort of detracts from it. To be fair, 2010 is going to be a lot of empty hype unless James or Wade move to different teams. So we'll see..decades from now no one will be looking back at 2010 and talking wistfully about Drew Gooden and Steve Blake signing new deals Huston deal wasnt the worst of the three, he was productive until the knee injuries took effect. Howards wasn't horrible at first either, he wasn't Shaq, Miller, or Jordan but he looked like a rising superstar who just never really matched his contract. Overall I believe both deal if we were in 96 might be okay to us, but for the most part now look horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 <p>Chris Duhon is shipped to Orlando for a 4year/15 mil deal. Nice addition.</p><p> </p><p> Also, the Hawks seem to gather interest in signing Shaq. If that rocks their boat.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorBait19 Posted July 6, 2010 Author Share Posted July 6, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Chris Duhon is shipped to Orlando for a 4year/15 mil deal. Nice addition.<p> </p><p> <strong>Also, the Hawks seem to gather interest in signing Shaq. If that rocks their boat</strong>.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> lol I read that and the only reason they want him is because of Dwight (from what I read)</p><p> </p><p> If it's true that's dumb. They face him 4 times a year and he wasn't their biggest issue. Joe Johnson, Mike Bibby, and others not performing in the playoffs was.</p><p> </p><p> I like Duhon addition, gives the Magic a pass first PG. I am still hopeful the work a deal with the Hornets for Paul. I still don't believe the Magic are done in this years offseason. To much value on their roster for trades for nothing to happen.</p><p> </p><p> Gortat could put up all-star numbers on a team where he'd get 35 minutes a night. In just 13 minutes per game this year he had 3.6 points, 4.2 rebounds, with .9 blocks. If you triple that (13 x 3 makes 39 which is close to the minutes he could get) that's 10.8, 12.6, and 2.7. Scoring isn't all-star but he has a nice close range game and would get to the line quite a bit where he shots 68%, much higher than Howard. </p><p> </p><p> Brandon Bass fell out of favor with poor knowledge and blow assignments, but he's young and is still improving. </p><p> </p><p> Vince Carter, contract expires after this year (he has a team option which most will decline and pay the 2 million dollar buyout)</p><p> </p><p> Jameer, if it meant that we could get Paul the Magic would make the deal. Jameer is a Nate type of PG. Shoot first Pass if you can't get a shot. He has the best value per contract (some weird stat someone came up with)</p><p> </p><p> JJ Redick, Magic fans don't want to see him leave, but once again for the right person...... goodbye</p><p> </p><p> Ryan Anderson, they gave up Lee for him. He reminds the Magic of a younger and more talented Hedo.</p><p> </p><p> TPE of 6.8 million, this can be used to match a contract or take on a contract. Expires in three days (9th) so watch for a move soon.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> The Hornets want to get rid on bad contracts. Peja, West (player options don't want to lose him for nothing), Oakfur, Posey. The Magic could give them a deal of </p><p> </p><p> Gortat, Bass, Carter, Nelson, TPE and future picks</p><p> </p><p> for</p><p> </p><p> Paul, Peja, Oakfur or Posey.</p><p> </p><p> This would rid the Hornets of some crappy contracts while keeping them contenders next year with two guys who started of a 59 win team and two Big Men, plus future picks.</p><p> </p><p> Magic could then trade Redick, Anderson, and maybe Shard (it's been rumored for a week now) to Utah for Boozer and Kirlenko</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Ah, how I love offseason trade rumors <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Gortat, Bass, Carter, Nelson, TPE and future picks</p><p> </p><p> for</p><p> </p><p> Paul, Peja, Oakfur or Posey.</p><p> </p><p> This would rid the Hornets of some crappy contracts while keeping them contenders next year with two guys who started of a 59 win team and two Big Men, plus future picks.</p><p> </p><p> Magic could then trade Redick, Anderson, and maybe Shard (it's been rumored for a week now) to Utah for Boozer and Kirlenko</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Ah, how I love offseason trade rumors <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I actually like the second deal more than the first...but I think the Magic would actually be improved just by starting a real PF (either Bass or Gortat) next to Dwight and running more of a traditional offense and cut down on those 3s. </p><p> </p><p> I agree Paul would be a no-brainer, but you're taking back a lot of flotsam and jetsam in that scenario to make it work.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorBait19 Posted July 6, 2010 Author Share Posted July 6, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I actually like the second deal more than the first...but I think the Magic would actually be improved just by starting a real PF (either Bass or Gortat) next to Dwight and running more of a traditional offense and cut down on those 3s. <p> </p><p> I agree Paul would be a no-brainer, but you're taking back a lot of flotsam and jetsam in that scenario to make it work.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with taking crap contracts but if we did the Paul, Peja, Posey deal it would give the Magic two guys who are known for three's in Peja and Posey. Also Posey plays a solid D and can cover a lot of top guys (3 and below) if we did the Oakfur instead of Peja then Oak would slide in at 4, 1st overall starting next to 2nd overall. Than god the Magic picked the right guy, but anyways then Shard would move back to the 3 with Posey or Redick at 2 and Paul at 1</p><p> </p><p> The second deal would be hard. Kirk's contract is coming up so the Magic would have a win win because then Kirk and Carter's contract is up next year, but would Utah really want to have the second highest player in the NBA next year in Shard and for another 2 years after that?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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