Hive Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 Depending on when my deposit hits my account, I will download TEW 2013 either tonight after work or tomorrow afternoon... Sweet. I suppose the ECW should start as a member of the NWA...it was the arrival of Heyman (Paul E Dangerous in WCW), the association with the NWA (particularly after WCW pulled completely out of the alliance) and Shane Douglas' memorable "throwing down" of the NWA title that helped gain some level of national exposure (and credibility) to Eastern Championship Wrestling which at that point was in reality a "big indie" promotion working under the NWA banner... ...our game starts in 1994? I'd like to petition for membership in the National Wrestling Alliance, with the understanding that ECW will leave the organization by the end of September 1994, just as they did in the "real world" What do we do about the big belt though? Give it to ECW? I like that you haven't had a look at the mod and aren't even sure about what year the game starts, not to mention the fact that you don't own the game yet... but still joins without significant questions or reservations. How do you two know each other? You aren't double teaming me here are you... It wasn't exactly my plan, but now that you mention it... Nah don't worry, I won't be cooperating with that small-time bingohall indie. Not worth my time, they'll clearly never amount to anything. I think Paul Alperstein's AWF is the horse to bet on, now there's a man with a vision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I have no problem with him having the NWA belt, but it kind of sucks that in our game world there will be no NWA World title by the end of 1994. We could just kayfabe it and say that the NWA dies with ECW like it should have in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 How does it work if I extend the contract of someone who has a deal with ECW? Is that a poaching? If I extend them but make them exclusive? You mean a guy who's on both your rosters? I'd say it's poaching if you make the contract exclusive to you, yeah... I have no problem with him having the NWA belt, but it kind of sucks that in our game world there will be no NWA World title by the end of 1994. We could just kayfabe it and say that the NWA dies with ECW like it should have in real life. I agree, it would kind of be a shame to see the belt die within a month. If only belts could be tied to umbrella organisations, it wouldn't be a problem... they still can't be transfered when the game starts (unless a promotion dies), right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I just looked into the editor to see and sure enough, no editing the promotion a title belongs to. So the NWA belt would die with ECW. Let me bring up my user character here so we can have open discussion. (Plus any of our followers can answer) I don't want to use Bischoff. I would potentially like to use Dusty Rhodes (logical as a booker) or Johnny Ace (became a booker for WCW, but still very active as a wrestler). Other names I could use perhaps are Bobby Heenan (never a booker, but what the heck!) or I'd be ok to take Randy Hales from USWA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 Let me bring up my user character here so we can have open discussion. (Plus any of our followers can answer) I don't want to use Bischoff. I would potentially like to use Dusty Rhodes (logical as a booker) or Johnny Ace (became a booker for WCW, but still very active as a wrestler). Other names I could use perhaps are Bobby Heenan (never a booker, but what the heck!) or I'd be ok to take Randy Hales from USWA. I think the key to the user character is that it should *generally* be someone the other players probably wouldn't have an interest i signing anyway (with the exception of Heyman, whom I think ECW should be awarded just because they're in a harder position)... like Shane McMahon, Eric Bischoff, Vince Russo, etc. But if you'd like to build a story around Dusty Rhodes, I'm not gonna stop you. He does have the advantages of a friendship with Flair and bloodline to Dustin, though. I think Bobby Heenan is definately too "wanted" to be locked down as a player character however. I'll be Vince Russo if you're Eric Bischoff though, how's that for a dare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Hahahahahahahahaha you'll be Russo? How about Johnny Ace? Outside of myself I don't think anyone in the world likes him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 Hahahahahahahahaha you'll be Russo? How about Johnny Ace? Outside of myself I don't think anyone in the world likes him? I believe that's a pretty fair assesment, so I shall put up no objections to that (extremely weird) choice. Sure, I'll be Russo. Just for the hell of it. And no, not because I like him. Just because I'm bad*ss. This is me, if I were an owl. Which I may or may not be: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/6008594_700b.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvdjrv2002 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I very much look forward to seeing how this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKnifed72 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Hahahahahahahahaha you'll be Russo? How about Johnny Ace? Outside of myself I don't think anyone in the world likes him? Johnny Ace...Shane Douglas...Dynamic Dudes reunion! Dynamic Dudes vs Comb Over Express...spray on tan vs spray on hair hardcore death match for the ECW world tag team titles....you better lock down Johnny Ace or he's mine! And to the title belt issue...as much as I hate to say it, to the overwhelming majority of casual wrestling fans, the NWA died when WCW withdrew...and their World Title was the one that meant something...not the one Douglas trashed...not that I agree with that, but that's what the average wrestling fan was thinking then...besides, just cause Douglas trashes the belt, doesn't mean we will never see it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 And to the title belt issue...as much as I hate to say it, to the overwhelming majority of casual wrestling fans, the NWA died when WCW withdrew...and their World Title was the one that meant something...not the one Douglas trashed...not that I agree with that, but that's what the average wrestling fan was thinking then...besides, just cause Douglas trashes the belt, doesn't mean we will never see it again So you'd like to have the belt? I'll have to admit, I have absolutely no idea what to do with WWF 1994 creatively. My head is desperately trying to adapt my WCW-plans to WWF, but it's proving to be a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 Also, although it was independently owned, maybe set the ECW arena (Viking Hall) as owned by ECW...atleast in TEW 2010, running weekly TV shows out of a small venue like that would be financial suicide...maybe tweak it to a 1,000 seater otherwise I may have to un-historically abandon the bingo hall early in the game to turn a profit I just checked, and it's currently holding 2,000 in the mod. You want to tweak it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 That new scouting feature... is that something you guys want to play with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I honestly don't even know what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKnifed72 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35468" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just checked, and it's currently holding 2,000 in the mod. You want to tweak it <em>down</em>? <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> No leave it 2,000...I thought it was lower...can it be set as owned by ECW? I know they never owned it, but I know in TEW 2010 atleast, running a weekly show at regional got expensive...just a wish, won't be upset if you decline...</p><p> </p><p> You guys decide on the scouting option, I won't get a chance to really mess with the game til later today...I'm up for using it but doesn't matter to me</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35468" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I honestly don't even know what it is.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> 'Unknown' workers have most attributes hidden from us untill we scout them or they become known enough. Personally, I'm not a huge fan - but if you guys like it, I'm not gonna make a fuss over it either.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JackKnifed72" data-cite="JackKnifed72" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35468" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No leave it 2,000...I thought it was lower...can it be set as owned by ECW? I know they never owned it, but I know in TEW 2010 atleast, running a weekly show at regional got expensive...just a wish, won't be upset if you decline...<p> </p><p> You guys decide on the scouting option, I won't get a chance to really mess with the game til later today...I'm up for using it but doesn't matter to me</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm not against letting you own the arena. I think a few bones should be thrown to the brave underdog.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 <p>Yeah definitely can own the arena. Shouldn't give TOO many concessions though. ECW should be a little challenging. You have the best user character by far <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I kind of like leaving scouting in based on what you say. </p><p> </p><p> Question: Regarding workers who have yet to debut a gimmick that they would later use. Are those off limits? Dudleys for example? Can't sign with WCW as the Dudleys? It's a little tricky, but ECW never owned the trademarks for any of their workers (they were basically a big indy) where WWF and WCW did.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35468" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah definitely can own the arena. Shouldn't give TOO many concessions though. ECW should be a little challenging. You have the best user character by far <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed, he's been given enough treats already. No more, I say! <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35468" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I kind of like leaving scouting in based on what you say.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No problem then, let's do it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35468" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Question: Regarding workers who have yet to debut a gimmick that they would later use. Are those off limits? Dudleys for example? Can't sign with WCW as the Dudleys? It's a little tricky, but ECW never owned the trademarks for any of their workers (they were basically a big indy) where WWF and WCW did.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I know that they never technically copyrighted their stuff, but for the sake of the game I personally think we should say that they do and can. And I think we should include future stuff as well - including The Dudley's for ECW but also eg. The Giant and nWo for you. But this is of course merely my own opinion on things, I just believe it presents interesting creative challenges. And of course, you could always strike a deal with ECW.</p><p> </p><p> And also, one thing that really began to bug me in my old multiplayer game was stuff like seeing The Undertaker in WCW and The Four Horsemen in WWF... took some of my immersion a bit away. But again: maybe that's just me.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKnifed72 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35468" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Agreed, he's been given enough treats already. No more, I say! <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> No problem then, let's do it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I know that they never technically copyrighted their stuff, but for the sake of the game I personally think we should say that they do and can. And I think we should include future stuff as well - including The Dudley's for ECW but also eg. The Giant and nWo for you. But this is of course merely my own opinion on things, I just believe it presents interesting creative challenges. And of course, you could always strike a deal with ECW.</p><p> </p><p> And also, one thing that really began to bug me in my old multiplayer game was stuff like seeing The Undertaker in WCW and The Four Horsemen in WWF... took some of my immersion a bit away. But again: maybe that's just me.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd be cool with keeping copyrights in place and gimmicks to their respective federations...IE if the Undertaker returns to WCW, he has to be 'Mean' Mark Callous or some such, while Brian Lee can be the Undertaker in WWF <img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I suppose if there is any doubt, we can come to an agreement or just follow historical precedent...I'm assuming Scott Levy must have trademarked the Raven character, as he took it from ECW to WCW...back to ECW...then WWF...then TNA...you get the picture...</p><p> </p><p> Just downloaded TEW '13...gonna mess with it a bit then gotta head out for a while (damn "real world")...will download the mod tonight...ready to roll when you two are</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JackKnifed72" data-cite="JackKnifed72" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35468" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd be cool with keeping copyrights in place and gimmicks to their respective federations...IE if the Undertaker returns to WCW, he has to be 'Mean' Mark Callous or some such, while Brian Lee can be the Undertaker in WWF <img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Exactly. Or WCW could do an infringing "Deadman" character and hope they'll win in court. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35468" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I suppose if there is any doubt, we can come to an agreement or just follow historical precedent...I'm assuming Scott Levy must have trademarked the Raven character, as he took it from ECW to WCW...back to ECW...then WWF...then TNA...you get the picture...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> For guys like Raven, I have not included the gimmick as belonging to any promotion. 'Raven' is his default name ingame, and I do not consider default names to be copyrighted.</p><p> </p><p> But anyway, I'm sure we are all reasonable people if we stumble across something that doesn't quite make sense. I think this rule will spur some nice creativity though...</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35468" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just downloaded TEW '13...gonna mess with it a bit then gotta head out for a while (damn "real world")...will download the mod tonight...ready to roll when you two are</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cool!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I guess I need to hook up a computer at home tonight to get this show on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 You guys just give me the word and I'll start up the game... Oh, that reminds me: justtxyank, can you send me your e-mail address please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKnifed72 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 ok ran a test show - ECW Hardcore TV - no changes to the data... I'm going to need to create match types such as 'ECW 1 v1'...'ECW 2 v 2'...etc...Style = Regular, Risk Content = High...too many of the guys have low stats in hardcore or brawl for the default Hardcore match type, but the fans will revolt if they get Very Low risk standard 1 v 1 matches... Joey Styles is "Very Poor when trying to improvise dialouge"? , the uncensored, unscripted loose cannon of commentary? Not sure that I agree with that...even early in his career...I doubt he was ever scripted on commentary in ECW The Main Event was Cactus Jack defeating Axl Rotten in a dog collar match...B- (sweeeeeet!) Not a big margin for error money wise...the ECW arena should be sold out every week for HardCore TV Also, the ECW World title is rated as a B-, that's better than the WWF IC, WCW US and both feds tag titles...I'll take it but that seems a tad high If anyone wants to poach the Harris brothers or Mr Hughes, I wouldn't mind Any chance I could get Shane Douglas for 1 year written? He didn't jump back to the WWF until 1995 in real life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'm going to need to create match types such as 'ECW 1 v1'...'ECW 2 v 2'...etc...Style = Regular, Risk Content = High...too many of the guys have low stats in hardcore or brawl for the default Hardcore match type, but the fans will revolt if they get Very Low risk standard 1 v 1 matches... Not sure what I can do there... didn't they run any regular matches at all? Where they all hardcore? Or is it just the game that makes it impracticle? Maybe their product should be tweaked then... Joey Styles is "Very Poor when trying to improvise dialouge"? , the uncensored, unscripted loose cannon of commentary? Not sure that I agree with that...even early in his career...I doubt he was ever scripted on commentary in ECW I have no idea why that happens. What skill determins improvisation? He has good mic skills, good acting, good announcing, more than decent charisma.... Also, the ECW World title is rated as a B-, that's better than the WWF IC, WCW US and both feds tag titles...I'll take it but that seems a tad high I can bring it down to the same levels as US and IC, no more. I'd have to increase those instead, then. But maybe that's worth considering. If anyone wants to poach the Harris brothers or Mr Hughes, I wouldn't mind Yeah... I'll pass. Any chance I could get Shane Douglas for 1 year written? He didn't jump back to the WWF until 1995 in real life WCW and WWF have agreed not to touch Douglas for the remainder of 1994, so it's not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 On the match issue, he just needs to create matches in game. The problem is that having certain product settings (which ECW needs to have) requires a minimum amount of risk in their matches. (I think it just has to be low vs none) It's easy to create a new match in the book screen. Just like cloning a gimmick, writing an angle, etc. You won't need to use the editor to do it. You probably should lift the prestige of US and IC titles and lower ECW a little too. At this point the ECW title would have been nothing more than an indy title. However, title prestige is fixed to a certain extent by the promotion. In 1994 the WCW TV title would have been more prestigious industry wide than the ECW title, or the NWA world title, but as a midcard or low level title it has a cap on its prestige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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