Oyaji Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 <p>Wait a second, the game says Scott Steiner is on steroids!? That can't be right.</p><p> </p><p> Agreed with what justtxyank said, those firings aren't the result of drug policy but a financial situation.</p><p> </p><p> justtxyank, have you thought about creating a narrative sometime around '95 when Turner got serious about competing with Vince and gave Bischoff all that money to play with? I know from reading Ole, Jody Hamilton, and Hansen's books that WCW was always carefree with finances under Turner but they took it to another level with the Nitro era.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMAN Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 <p>The guys that got cut for roids or drugs (as it says in each news post):</p><p> Sting</p><p> Matt Borne</p><p> Lex Luger</p><p> Rick Rude</p><p> Buddy Landel</p><p> Jimmy Garvin</p><p> Rick Steiner</p><p> Scott Steiner</p><p> Sid Vicious</p><p> Dan Spivey</p><p> Vader</p><p> Dustin Rhodes</p><p> Eddie Guerrero</p><p> The Juicer</p><p> Brian Pillman</p><p> Tommy Rich</p><p> </p><p> The rest in that screen shot (where it says "released) were due to financial cuts, which is pretty reasonable. </p><p> </p><p> I guess it might have something to do with JR. I can't imagine him actually doing this but I guess anything is possible. </p><p> </p><p> I don't mind, I'll continue on. Just thought I'd let you know because I wasn't sure if anyone else had this same problem in 1993.</p><p> </p><p> I have no problem with realism in this mod. I think it's great, but unfortunately I think it doesn't match up with the way the game works. Unless I just stumbled across a rare occurrence or something.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Oyaji" data-cite="Oyaji" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wait a second, the game says Scott Steiner is on steroids!? That can't be right.<p> </p><p> Agreed with what justtxyank said, those firings aren't the result of drug policy but a financial situation.</p><p> </p><p> justtxyank, have you thought about creating a narrative sometime around '95 when Turner got serious about competing with Vince and gave Bischoff all that money to play with? I know from reading Ole, Jody Hamilton, and Hansen's books that WCW was always carefree with finances under Turner but they took it to another level with the Nitro era.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Be sure to check the narratives in the next release. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> It might be a Jim Ross deal. I'll check his bias. I'll also do another run through on personal demons to get rid of some more of them.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oyaji Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Be sure to check the narratives in the next release. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> It might be a Jim Ross deal. I'll check his bias. I'll also do another run through on personal demons to get rid of some more of them.</p></div></blockquote><p> Awesome. I am sooo looking forward to the next release.</p><p> </p><p> In regards to personal demons, what do you do with a guy like Bam Bam Gordy? He was still having excellent matches in All Japan as part of the MVC, but at the same time he was high out of his mind. He was a great wrestler up until the coma and subsequent brain damage in '93, but that just shows how screwed up he was.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Oyaji" data-cite="Oyaji" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Awesome. I am sooo looking forward to the next release.<p> </p><p> In regards to personal demons, what do you do with a guy like Bam Bam Gordy? He was still having excellent matches in All Japan as part of the MVC, but at the same time he was high out of his mind. He was a great wrestler up until the coma and subsequent brain damage in '93, but that just shows how screwed up he was.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Maybe have his personal habits ticked but at a low level, then a narrative that kicks in that increases his habits? Just an idea I thought I'd throw out.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Oyaji" data-cite="Oyaji" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Awesome. I am sooo looking forward to the next release.<p> </p><p> In regards to personal demons, what do you do with a guy like Bam Bam Gordy? He was still having excellent matches in All Japan as part of the MVC, but at the same time he was high out of his mind. He was a great wrestler up until the coma and subsequent brain damage in '93, but that just shows how screwed up he was.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah I've struggled with him as he's a personal favorite. The game can't really account for guys putting on good performances despite being drugged up. Take Bulldog for example. He was so stoned he couldn't remember his spots in his match with Bret at Summerslam.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt Shannon" data-cite="Matt Shannon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Maybe have his personal habits ticked but at a low level, then a narrative that kicks in that increases his habits? Just an idea I thought I'd throw out.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've put in narratives like that and then taken them out. Something Adam said to me in a PM about TEW not being designed to guarantee a future. </p><p> </p><p> Two years out is kind of far for me to want to manipulate an individual in that way.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've put in narratives like that and then taken them out. Something Adam said to me in a PM about TEW not being designed to guarantee a future. <p> </p><p> Two years out is kind of far for me to want to manipulate an individual in that way.</p></div></blockquote><p> I agree with that. To me, all bets are off once the game starts. I prefer any long-term narratives to be window dressing, unless it's something from the real world spilling over and impacting the game world (like market crashes.)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've put in narratives like that and then taken them out. Something Adam said to me in a PM about TEW not being designed to guarantee a future. <p> </p><p> Two years out is kind of far for me to want to manipulate an individual in that way.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Never looked at it like that before. Now I'm debating whether to leave in any narratives that can change a worker's habits or company's fortunes(granted, I do put asterisks besides all narratives that change gameplay), or take them out of my Risky Business mod. If I were to do that, I would leave in any that talk about a worker thinking about coming out of retirement(think Onita in Japan to start FMW and wrestle as well), with instructions for the player on what to do if they choose to do so. Or I could just proceed as I've been going as far as narratives go, and leave the asterisks by the ones that change gameplay so that the player can go ahead and mass delete those if they choose to do so.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree with that. To me, all bets are off once the game starts. I prefer any long-term narratives to be window dressing, unless it's something from the real world spilling over and impacting the game world (like market crashes.)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's how I feel about narratives as well. In fact, the only one I included in my mod is the financial crisis of 2007... and I stay clear of retirement age/relevancy age and such with 99,9 % of the workers for the same reason.</p><p> </p><p> I don't want to be too deterministic. With butterfly effects and whatnot, I simply see it as the minute you step into the game and alter history even the slightest, all bets are off.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 <p>My narratives are either real world things that impact the game world, window dressing, things that were already set in motion by the time the game world starts (steroid stuff for example) or things I think were going to happen no matter the course of wrestling. Example, if WWF survives to 1998 it will go public on the stock market bringing in a ton of cash. As a privately owned company the WWF would definitely have done that no matter what else was going on in the world.</p><p> </p><p> Edit: And I try to only use relevancy and stuff to protect workers who are already near the end from quitting on you at the beginning. It's not fun to play a 91 game and have guys like Funk and Flair leaving within the first 6 months. </p><p> </p><p> Try to balance realism, organic nature of the game, enjoyment factor and longterm playability.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 <p>OK, I'm at my 3rd multi-year sim today, this one is up to January 1994 and I have yet to see a max firing/release situation like you experienced. </p><p> </p><p> I'm leaning towards fluke. </p><p> </p><p> I DID clean up some more personal habits though just to get rid of them.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 <p>Sorry to everyone waiting. Fixing the PNW titles is brutal. </p><p> </p><p> Damn Don Owen!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 You think the title changes for Portland were bad, try doing title lineages for Memphis! And that's BEFORE you get to the era of Brian Christopher being a five million time USWA Champion! <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 WWC looks like their lineage is ridiculous too. Shane Sewell a 10 time "world" champion? COME ON NOW! Carlito holding their main title 13 times is a little bit more acceptable. At least he's talented, but man, hot potato! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I for one am thankful for the postponing so far... I have a crap ton of homework and I don't need to be distracted (like I am now) <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ Strong Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I can't tell if I love the mod or the picture pack you got some excellent pictures that I've never seen before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PJ Strong" data-cite="PJ Strong" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can't tell if I love the mod or the picture pack you got some excellent pictures that I've never seen before.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ha!</p><p> </p><p> Great compliment!</p><p> </p><p> The pictures are why I decided to make the mod in the first place!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PJ Strong" data-cite="PJ Strong" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can't tell if I love the mod or the picture pack you got some excellent pictures that I've never seen before.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree, his cuts are absolutely magnificent. I really feel that my own mod was lifted to new hights when I began using justtxyank's pictures. Never underestimate the importance of aesthetics. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ Strong Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Not to be a complete dork but its awesome that you replied Hive. Long before I bothered joining here I was playing your mods. Some of my favorite games have been because of your mods. Now make one that isn't set in boring old 94 <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PJ Strong" data-cite="PJ Strong" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not to be a complete dork but its awesome that you replied Hive. Long before I bothered joining here I was playing your mods. Some of my favorite games have been because of your mods.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks. It's always nice to hear from people enjoying my work. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35547" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Now make one that isn't set in boring old 94 <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hey! <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Which year would that be, then?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 <p>94 is NOT boring!</p><p> </p><p> Well, I guess it is if you are a WWF guy. WCW is fun, even the wackiness, through 94, 95 and 96 before the nWo gets there and it gets obviously cool.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 <p>Thanks for all the compliments on the pics. I'm an aesthetics guy so I spend too much time on them. </p><p> </p><p> I will go ahead and tell everyone in advance that you will probably need to download an entire new copy of nGo as opposed to an update pack on the next release. </p><p> </p><p> The good news is I have a new image compression tool that makes the pack significantly smaller in data size. There are over 500 new files in the pack.</p><p> </p><p> I'll try to have a simple update pack, but no promises!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ Strong Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 <p>I don't know where you find half of these pictures. I scour the internet looking for pics of some of the lesser known guys and then I find damn near perfect pictures in your file. I'm not a fan of the organic stuff for the most part but I'd be playing a game and need a replacement and before I knew it half my game was full of your pics and it slowly started to win me over <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I also like EDjames pic pack but its very small so I don't get to enjoy it the same way I do yours.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 <p>Set your mind free! Embrace organic! </p><p> </p><p> Once you play with them long term I think you will find they really help game immersion a lot more than KyKy or the other pre-formatted backgrounds. </p><p> </p><p> I do strive to get all posed photos instead of action shots and stuff, but I think the organic nature really makes the pictures work well together and help hide lesser quality images.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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