The C-Verse Rerender Project: 3rd Strike

[Poputt]

<p></p><div style="text-align:center;"><p><strong><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Faith McGee</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:12px;">

</span></strong><span>http://imgur.com/7xPS4hs.jpg</span></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:12px;"> </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:12px;">

</span></strong><strong><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Tiffany Jade</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:12px;">

</span></strong><span>http://imgur.com/blc1BBt.jpg</span></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:12px;"> </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:12px;">

</span></strong><strong><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Trent Shaffer</span></span></strong></p><p>

<span>http://imgur.com/swLsjQI.jpg</span></p></div><p></p><p></p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brat99" data-cite="brat99" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Vendetta was one of my earlier attempts.....<p> </p><p> <a href="http://s81.photobucket.com/user/brat99/media/Cornellverse/Vendetta%202.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j235/brat99/Cornellverse/Vendetta%202.jpg</span></a> <a href="http://s81.photobucket.com/user/brat99/media/Cornellverse/Vendetta%203.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j235/brat99/Cornellverse/Vendetta%203.jpg</span></a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's the one I was thinking of! Thanks</p>

[shipshirt]

<p>I re-did my Julian Watson and Miller Fforde renders</p><p> </p><p>

</p><div style="text-align:center;"><p>Julian Watson</p><p>

<a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Julian%20Watson_1.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Julian%20Watson_1.jpg</span></a><a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/JulianWatsonALT_1.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/JulianWatsonALT_1.jpg</span></a></p><p> </p><p>

Miller Fforde</p><p>

<a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Miller%20Fforde_1.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Miller%20Fforde_1.jpg</span></a></p></div><p></p><p></p>

[Herrbear]

Very nice renders, Poputt. Thank you.

[alpha2117]

<p>[quote=Poputt;2238545</p><p>

<span style="text-decoration:underline;">Dominic DeSousa</span></p><p>

<span>http://imgur.com/uF6SGri.jpg</span>[/center][/size][/b]</p><p> </p><p>

Weirdly I've been hoping for a Champagne Lover re-render that works with my mental image of him and I've found it - in your Dominic DeSousa. He just looks like a Mexican Telenovella star.</p>

[sabataged]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Weirdly I've been hoping for a Champagne Lover re-render that works with my mental image of him and I've found it - in your Dominic DeSousa. He just looks like a Mexican Telenovella star.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree...makes a great Champagne Lover especially younger one</p>

[sabataged]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="King Bison" data-cite="King Bison" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So I picked up the Hercules model and did a few renders to play with it<p> </p><p> </p><div style="text-align:center;"><p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Generic Male</span></strong>:This was just to feel out the model</p><p> <a href="https://postimg.org/image/i4yhmbfmd/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Generic_Male.jpg" data-src="https://s2.postimg.org/6slw4j6xl/Generic_Male.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Annihilus</span></strong></p><p> <a href="https://postimg.org/image/h69ksijj5/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Annihilus.jpg" data-src="https://s24.postimg.org/66odgwt45/Annihilus.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Gargantuan</span></strong></p><p> <a href="https://postimg.org/image/lof6szg5v/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Gargantuan.jpg" data-src="https://s13.postimg.org/9zb750p7b/Gargantuan.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Petr Novak</span></strong></p><p> <a href="https://postimg.org/image/wjqg11641/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Petr_Novak.jpg" data-src="https://s16.postimg.org/8fzocqnn9/Petr_Novak.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Ross Henry</span></strong></p><p> <a href="https://postimg.org/image/qv5ohex1f/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Ross_Henry.jpg" data-src="https://s21.postimg.org/vh1sprikn/Ross_Henry.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p></div><p></p><p></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> A little bulky/cartoonish for my taste but I do love the Peter Novak and the Annihilus ones.</p>

[sabataged]

Looks for a Larry Vessey and Bryan Vessey. I am not a big fan of the default ones

[brat99]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sabataged" data-cite="sabataged" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Looks for a Larry Vessey and Bryan Vessey. I am not a big fan of the default ones</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Here is a Bryan Vessey that shipshirt did......</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2147288&postcount=53" rel="external nofollow">http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2147288&postcount=53</a></p>

[Kitarzu]

<p>Back from 2010 thread, credits to jtlant.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jtlant" data-cite="jtlant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As luck would have it, I'd already been working on a current version of the Vesseys...<p> </p><p> </p><div style="text-align:center;"><p><strong>Bryan Vessey & Larry Vessey - Current</strong></p><p> <span>http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii145/jtlant/TEW/BryanVessey_alt1jt.jpg</span><span>http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii145/jtlant/TEW/LarryVessey_alt1jt.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Bryan Vessey & Larry Vessey - Late 90s</strong></p><p> <span>http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii145/jtlant/TEW/BryanVessey_alt2jt.jpg</span><span>http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii145/jtlant/TEW/LarryVessey_alt2jt.jpg</span></p></div><p></p><p></p></div></blockquote>

[Kitarzu]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shipshirt" data-cite="shipshirt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I re-did my Julian Watson and Miller Fforde renders<p> </p><p> </p><div style="text-align:center;"><p>Julian Watson</p><p> <a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Julian%20Watson_1.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Julian%20Watson_1.jpg</span></a><a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/JulianWatsonALT_1.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/JulianWatsonALT_1.jpg</span></a></p><p> </p><p> Miller Fforde</p><p> <a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Miller%20Fforde_1.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Miller%20Fforde_1.jpg</span></a></p></div><p></p><p></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nice redid of them, good job!</p>

[shipshirt]

<p></p><div style="text-align:center;"><p><strong>California Love Machine</strong></p><p>

<a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/California%20Love%20Machine.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/California%20Love%20Machine.jpg</span></a></p><p> </p><p>

Also, I like to run a "Midnight Rider" angle with Joey Minnesota turning heel on Ricky Dale Johnson. RDJ comes back as:</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Hooded Justice</strong></p><p>

<a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Hooded%20Justice_Alt.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Hooded%20Justice_Alt.jpg</span></a><a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Hooded%20Justice.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Hooded%20Justice.jpg</span></a></p></div><p></p><p></p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shipshirt" data-cite="shipshirt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><div style="text-align:center"><p><strong>California Love Machine</strong></p><p> <a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/California%20Love%20Machine.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/California%20Love%20Machine.jpg</span></a></p><p> </p><p> Also, I like to run a "Midnight Rider" angle with Joey Minnesota turning heel on Ricky Dale Johnson. RDJ comes back as:</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Hooded Justice</strong></p><p> <a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Hooded%20Justice_Alt.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Hooded%20Justice_Alt.jpg</span></a><a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Hooded%20Justice.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Hooded%20Justice.jpg</span></a></p></div><p></p><p></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Amazing as always.</p><p> </p><p> I love that CLM. He's a guy I nearly always sign.</p>

[King Bison]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Poputt" data-cite="Poputt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bret Heartbreak</span></p><p> <span>http://imgur.com/q3L4riH.jpg</span></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not sure how I missed this but that Bret Heartbreak is simply amazing</p>

[Poputt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Weirdly I've been hoping for a Champagne Lover re-render that works with my mental image of him and I've found it - in your Dominic DeSousa. He just looks like a Mexican Telenovella star.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sabataged" data-cite="sabataged" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree...makes a great Champagne Lover especially younger one</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Go ahead and use him for that then because I don't really have plans to do Champagne Lover <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[shipshirt]

Hey fam, big 2 day sale over at Daz. 60-80% off pre-Gen, Genesis and Genesis 2 stuff

[shipshirt]

<p></p><div style="text-align:center;"><p><strong>The Southern Stars</strong></p><p><strong>

Animal Harker/Tennessee William</strong></p><p>

<a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Animal%20Harker.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Animal%20Harker.jpg</span></a><a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Animal%20Harker_alt.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Animal%20Harker_alt.jpg</span></a><a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Tennessee%20William.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Tennessee%20William.jpg</span></a><a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Tennessee%20William_alt.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Tennessee%20William_alt.jpg</span></a></p></div><p></p><p></p>

[alpha2117]

Love them shipshirt

[King Bison]

<p>Working on some renders for some requests I got earlier in the week. Hope you guys enjoy them as well</p><p> </p><p>

</p><div style="text-align:center;"><p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Art Reed</span></strong></p><p>

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/c100moyy9/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Art_Reed.jpg" data-src="https://s16.postimg.org/wxw8rcwz9/Art_Reed.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Nation of Filth</span></strong></p><p>

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/6bc8uhger/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Grunt.jpg" data-src="https://s13.postimg.org/l7as22rtj/Grunt.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a><a href="https://postimg.org/image/alc5oc02p/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Stink.jpg" data-src="https://s24.postimg.org/dffb1s291/Stink.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Freddie Datsun</span></strong></p><p>

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/5hjqhujdf/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Freddie_Datsun.jpg" data-src="https://s13.postimg.org/7yvhp439z/Freddie_Datsun.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Jumbo Jackson</span></strong></p><p>

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/apfsvlsrl/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Jumbo_Jackson_2.jpg" data-src="https://s8.postimg.org/9zx0j8s85/Jumbo_Jackson_2.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Kanishoki</span></strong></p><p>

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/yisizwcwh/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Kanishoki.jpg" data-src="https://s8.postimg.org/d94wp1wlx/Kanishoki.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Marat Khoklov</span></strong></p><p>

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/d7v272711/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Marat_Khoklov_2.jpg" data-src="https://s10.postimg.org/vnfj4gl5l/Marat_Khoklov_2.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Rhino Umaga</span></strong></p><p>

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/p07t1lehr/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Rhino_Umaga.jpg" data-src="https://s3.postimg.org/43bkwxggz/Rhino_Umaga.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Comedian</span></strong></p><p>

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/b9rrnj2xz/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="The_Comedian.jpg" data-src="https://s15.postimg.org/yb8cta2ln/The_Comedian.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p>

</p></div><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>

If you enjoy my work, you can pm with requests. I only have a few months left of being able to do renders so I'd like to get as many as I can under my belt before I go</p>

[esteel20]

<p><span>http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l353/esteel20/Crimson%20Ghost_zpsedggarnd.jpg</span><span>http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l353/esteel20/Crimson%20Ghost_2_zpstbyf7khy.jpg</span><span>http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l353/esteel20/Crimson%20Ghost_3_zpsnguab1tm.jpg</span><span>http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l353/esteel20/Crimson%20Ghost_4_zpsymrzwmea.jpg</span><span>http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l353/esteel20/Crimson%20Ghost_5_zpslnu7tdnk.jpg</span></p><p>

Crimson Ghost</p>

[shipshirt]

<p></p><div style="text-align:center;"><p><strong>Primus Allen </strong></p><p>

<a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Primus%20Allen_1.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Primus%20Allen_1.jpg</span></a></p></div><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Also, apropos of nothing, I picked up Freak 5 this weekend as part of the sale and one of the head presets is totally John Cena:</p><p> </p><p>

</p><div style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/John%20Cena.png.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/John%20Cena.png</span></a></div><p></p><p></p>

[Wheelz316]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shipshirt" data-cite="shipshirt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> Also, apropos of nothing, I picked up Freak 5 this weekend as part of the sale and one of the head presets is totally John Cena:</p><p> </p><p> </p><div style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/John%20Cena.png.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/John%20Cena.png</span></a></div><p></p><p></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Looks like a cross between Cena and Orton.</p>

[King Bison]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shipshirt" data-cite="shipshirt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><div style="text-align:center;"><p><strong>Primus Allen </strong></p><p> <a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Primus%20Allen_1.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Primus%20Allen_1.jpg</span></a></p></div><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Also, apropos of nothing, I picked up Freak 5 this weekend as part of the sale and one of the head presets is totally John Cena:</p><p> </p><p> </p><div style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/John%20Cena.png.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/John%20Cena.png</span></a></div><p></p><p></p></div></blockquote><p> Yeah John Cena was one of he first renders I ever made lol</p>

[King Bison]

<p>Few new ones today</p><p> </p><p>

</p><div style="text-align:center;"><p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">American Machine</span></strong></p><p>

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/g9nqg7et1/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="American_Machine.jpg" data-src="https://s10.postimg.org/5zlbgyoxl/American_Machine.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a><a href="https://postimg.org/image/vweztksl1/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="American_Machine_alt1.jpg" data-src="https://s10.postimg.org/e6db8jf09/American_Machine_alt1.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bear Bekowski, Jack Avatar and Justice Jolson</span></strong></p><p>

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/vkc1ay80p/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Bear_Bekowski.jpg" data-src="https://s12.postimg.org/fyupqzw2l/Bear_Bekowski.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a><a href="https://postimg.org/image/ysginzuah/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Jack_Avatar.jpg" data-src="https://s12.postimg.org/sritqx7od/Jack_Avatar.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a><a href="https://postimg.org/image/n56erd193/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Justice_Jolson.jpg" data-src="https://s23.postimg.org/ea5kgucgr/Justice_Jolson.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Titan</span></strong></p><p>

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/i9t6qyt6t/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Titan.jpg" data-src="https://s2.postimg.org/i9t6qyt6t/Titan.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a><a href="https://postimg.org/image/q3tscd0zp/" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="Titan_alt.jpg" data-src="https://s2.postimg.org/q3tscd0zp/Titan_alt.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p><p>

</p></div><p></p><p></p>

[alpha2117]

The painted American Machine is awesome. Where was the paint from?