Suede Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 I believe imgur images do not embed on this forum. Can anyone suggest a good website that I can use to embed images? Want to show some updates.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suede Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 I'm trying to find out the weight divisions and rules of some early MMA companies. Does anybody have any suggestions where I can research this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGreyA Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I'm trying to find out the weight divisions and rules of some early MMA companies. Does anybody have any suggestions where I can research this? What companies? I have over 3500 MMA events in my fight library, a lot of which are from 1993-2000 and even some that pre-date 1993. I can consult my library to verify the rule sets and weight classes of any organization I have on file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suede Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JGreyA" data-cite="JGreyA" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What companies? I have over 3500 MMA events in my fight library, a lot of which are from 1993-2000 and even some that pre-date 1993. I can consult my library to verify the rule sets and weight classes of any organization I have on file.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That would be amazing if you could do that. Shall I DM you the details? I can't do it now as away from Computer. Will have to be tomorrow. That ok?</p><p> </p><p> I'm looking at things like Brazilian Vale Tudo, Desafio, Extreme Challenge, IAFC, HooknShoot. </p><p> </p><p> Basically I have every event listed in Sherdog in the database now, with a lot of the companies from around that time, so I'm looking for weight classes as they would have been from Jan 97. </p><p> </p><p> Any help you can provide would be brilliant. COuld serve as a guide for other Real World Mods in the future too.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGreyA Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Suede" data-cite="Suede" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That would be amazing if you could do that. Shall I DM you the details? I can't do it now as away from Computer. Will have to be tomorrow. That ok?<p> </p><p> I'm looking at things like Brazilian Vale Tudo, Desafio, Extreme Challenge, IAFC, HooknShoot. </p><p> </p><p> Basically I have every event listed in Sherdog in the database now, with a lot of the companies from around that time, so I'm looking for weight classes as they would have been from Jan 97. </p><p> </p><p> Any help you can provide would be brilliant. COuld serve as a guide for other Real World Mods in the future too.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Let's do it. PM me the details and I'll get right on it. I've recently found myself with a lot of free time after a chainsaw accident at work (I'll spare the details...all in all I'll be fine...just damaged my hand...I'll recover fully) so it'll give me a project to work on while the wife's at work all day. Just give me a complete list and I'll do my best to secure the rule sets and weight classes from 1997. Talk to you soon.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suede Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JGreyA" data-cite="JGreyA" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Let's do it. PM me the details and I'll get right on it. I've recently found myself with a lot of free time after a chainsaw accident at work (I'll spare the details...all in all I'll be fine...just damaged my hand...I'll recover fully) so it'll give me a project to work on while the wife's at work all day. Just give me a complete list and I'll do my best to secure the rule sets and weight classes from 1997. Talk to you soon.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I will do it once my daughter is in bed. Sorry to hear about the accident, I wouldn’t even trust myself with a drill.....</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suede Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dr Strangelove" data-cite="Dr Strangelove" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is definitely going to be the best mod ever!<p> </p><p> Any updates on the ETA? A public testing build perhaps?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Apologies, missed this post. I’m not sure is the honest answer. I wanted to have it done by Christmas, and that is going to be difficult. Every time I think that I have gotten closed to the finishing point, something happens to make me rethink it. </p><p> </p><p> For instance, in the last month, added 6 more events, 50-60 more results, approx 60 more fighters. I have almost finished going through debuted fighters, but that will take me a few more hours. I need to go through the companies in more detail as I haven’t touched anything yet.</p><p> </p><p> Next I need to go through numerous test saves as I don’t like the starting finances, I need to decide when I start the Mod, Jan 1997 or March 1997 after UFC 12. If I start in March I need to add another 10-15 events and maybe another 100 fight results. </p><p> </p><p> I also need to consider pictures, have a few ideas, but not sure yet.</p><p> </p><p> I would like a couple of people to test/look over it, then i’ll Release it. I’m sure I will have missed stuff and will be required to re edit things once it is released so it may never truly be finished, just constantly updated. </p><p> </p><p> On a side note as a possible spoiler, I may release two versions. One for Jan, and one for March so people can choose when to play.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfrvictor Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Hey dude, nice work. Question. Are you positive on the whole change potential to 0 thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suede Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bfrvictor" data-cite="bfrvictor" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey dude, nice work. Question. Are you positive on the whole change potential to 0 thing?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Unless there’s a compelling argument not to, or it throws up some weird stuff during testing, Yes. </p><p> </p><p> All the fighters stats are in there, it’s how they fulfill them it should effect. McGregor will still be knocking low level people out, but at the top echelons he may not be as effective, Or he could become even better. In 1997, their futures are not yet written. Who am I to judge how good they become? </p><p> </p><p> I like a little unpredictability personally.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suede Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 <p>Currently, by Christmas is not looking likely. I do have a lot of time off over the festive period, so will be working away on it then. So will state that end of Jan is the current date. </p><p> </p><p> Will provide a better detailed update tonight. Someone else has joined, and has done some excellent work regarding accuracy, so it will be even better than I imagined.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WECNeverDie Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just wanted to say my full support is behind this. I don't claim any ownership or whatever on my mods, no need for asking permission (I'm not around as much as I used to be). I wouldn't have been able to get mine off the ground without other people's work. They're free for anyone to tinker away with and re-release in whatever format you choose, within reason of course (no political statement mods) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suede Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="WECNeverDie" data-cite="WECNeverDie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just wanted to say my full support is behind this. I don't claim any ownership or whatever on my mods, no need for asking permission (I'm not around as much as I used to be). I wouldn't have been able to get mine off the ground without other people's work. They're free for anyone to tinker away with and re-release in whatever format you choose, within reason of course (no political statement mods)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Awesome. When it's released I hope it meets your approval <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> It's taking ages.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmac32 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 <p>Beyond excited for this release. I've been doing a Fight Pass Re-Watch starting with UFC 1 and moving up. I made it till about UFC 15 and decided I HAD to get a 1997 game going. </p><p> </p><p> Holding off on the start, as this seems like it will be worth the wait! Thanks for taking it upon yourself to improve an already great mod. Looking forward to trying it out. </p><p> </p><p> All the best (don't hesitate to reach out if the community can be of any assistance).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dash-streams Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 <p>Gotta say, I think potential being set to 0 for everyone is silly.</p><p> </p><p> GSP wouldn't become a journeyman because that's not who he is.</p><p> </p><p> I don't want Tiki Ghosn suddenly becoming the new GSP. </p><p> </p><p> I would stick to the old WECNeverDie version if this one had every fighter set to zero potential so it was randomized every time. I'm not going to go through and set my own desired potential for everyone, so I'd just use the old mod. Because I don't want Sakuraba becoming a jobber and Gilbert Yvel becoming the greatest heavyweight ever randomly. That kind of thing seems better suited to the default universe or some "made up people" edition.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I want to be able to book my company based on who the fighters actually are, not based on what random roll they got this time around.</p><p> </p><p> If you insist on doing that, I get it, but it would really limit the mod to have that be the only version available when it comes to people doing more historic playthroughs.</p><p> </p><p> I want to get Takada in the hall of fame by booking him properly, not by him randomly getting a high potential roll and turning into a legit monster.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kollin Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 It's not nearly as intense as you are making it out to be. GSP won't ever become a journeyman, as his been suggested. There will really only be some variation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dash-streams Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kollin" data-cite="Kollin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's not nearly as intense as you are making it out to be. GSP won't ever become a journeyman, as his been suggested. There will really only be some variation.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd hope so, but if the potential was truly randomized that would kinda kill the mod for me. I love this 1997 mod because I start off and take control of PRIDE before PRIDE 1. Then I run PRIDE the whole time from Rickson/Takada and I try to build Takada back up for a rematch right before Rickson retires (which is hard 'cause he retires fast if he loses).</p><p> </p><p> In my last game, GSP did become a journeyman. I threw him to the wolves right away and he never got a chance to develop. Matt Brown wound up being the "GSP" of that game at welterweight.</p><p> </p><p> Meanwhile I got Takada into the hall of fame through booking techniques. So you can already achieve that level of variance without artificially randomizing it is all I was saying.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kollin Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dash-streams" data-cite="dash-streams" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd hope so, but if the potential was truly randomized that would kinda kill the mod for me. I love this 1997 mod because I start off and take control of PRIDE before PRIDE 1. Then I run PRIDE the whole time from Rickson/Takada and I try to build Takada back up for a rematch right before Rickson retires (which is hard 'cause he retires fast if he loses).<p> </p><p> In my last game, GSP did become a journeyman. I threw him to the wolves right away and he never got a chance to develop. Matt Brown wound up being the "GSP" of that game at welterweight.</p><p> </p><p> Meanwhile I got Takada into the hall of fame through booking techniques. So you can already achieve that level of variance without artificially randomizing it is all I was saying.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Doesn't the original mod already have potential set to 0 on everyone (or nearly everyone)?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
za3tar66 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 i cant wait for this mod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dash-streams Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Doesn't the original mod already have potential set to 0 on everyone (or nearly everyone)? Actually it does lol. That might explain why I got a lackluster Saku and GSP last time. Now maybe I would at least set manual potential for a few key fighters myself, but I wouldn't know what to really set it to. Would 90 be too crazy for a guy like GSP? Or should he be even higher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
za3tar66 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 how many days left? i check this thread everyday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kollin Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 <p>I check it every day too lol</p><p> </p><p> I hope there's an update of some kind soon. I don't want to seem impatient, but any time there's a period of radio silence on these kinds of things, I get nervous.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suede Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 Gotta say, I think potential being set to 0 for everyone is silly. GSP wouldn't become a journeyman because that's not who he is. I don't want Tiki Ghosn suddenly becoming the new GSP. I would stick to the old WECNeverDie version if this one had every fighter set to zero potential so it was randomized every time. I'm not going to go through and set my own desired potential for everyone, so I'd just use the old mod. Because I don't want Sakuraba becoming a jobber and Gilbert Yvel becoming the greatest heavyweight ever randomly. That kind of thing seems better suited to the default universe or some "made up people" edition. I want to be able to book my company based on who the fighters actually are, not based on what random roll they got this time around. If you insist on doing that, I get it, but it would really limit the mod to have that be the only version available when it comes to people doing more historic playthroughs. I want to get Takada in the hall of fame by booking him properly, not by him randomly getting a high potential roll and turning into a legit monster. I didn't choose to change this mod as a complete historical playthrough. I wanted to make it an accurate representation of the MMA world in 1997. If people debut after Jan 1997 then they start at zero potential. This is because history is not yet written. That said, I have been playing through it as the MOD sits at the moment and to be honest there haven't been any massive shocks. I'm currently in Ocotober 2003 and Wanderlei Silva (21-3), Cro Cop (8-0), Arlovski (12-0), are all pretty strong. As is Anderson Silva (18-2), Matt Hughes (14-2), Chuck Liddell (11-2). THe only ones that have been a little different would be Gary Imes (10-1-1) who has won my Super Heavyweight Title against some strong competition. how many days left? i check this thread everyday I check it every day too lol I hope there's an update of some kind soon. I don't want to seem impatient, but any time there's a period of radio silence on these kinds of things, I get nervous. Update. I am still working on it, there was a really knowledgeable helpful guy helping me but he has stuff going on and I haven't heard from him for a while. I am still going through fighters one by one, but I'm beginning to think that WEC's data was really good in that area so I may leave it and update it every once in a while from feedback on here, and because I hate things being in accurate when I find them. I should stop giving a timeframe as that sets me up to fail. Rest assured it will still be released, but it may be a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestia Negra Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 <p>Thanks for the update. First of all thanks for working on this mod, it sounds really exciting and I can't wait to get my hands on it. </p><p> </p><p> Time pressure is never a good thing and I know from personal experience that a happy modder is a good modder. Just take your time and release it whenever you think it's ready.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suede Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bestia Negra" data-cite="Bestia Negra" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks for the update. First of all thanks for working on this mod, it sounds really exciting and I can't wait to get my hands on it. <p> </p><p> Time pressure is never a good thing and I know from personal experience that a happy modder is a good modder. Just take your time and release it whenever you think it's ready.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cheers Dude</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suede Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dash-streams" data-cite="dash-streams" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd hope so, but if the potential was truly randomized that would kinda kill the mod for me. I love this 1997 mod because I start off and take control of PRIDE before PRIDE 1. Then I run PRIDE the whole time from Rickson/Takada and I try to build Takada back up for a rematch right before Rickson retires (which is hard 'cause he retires fast if he loses).<p> </p><p> In my last game, GSP did become a journeyman. I threw him to the wolves right away and he never got a chance to develop. Matt Brown wound up being the "GSP" of that game at welterweight.</p><p> </p><p> Meanwhile I got Takada into the hall of fame through booking techniques. So you can already achieve that level of variance without artificially randomizing it is all I was saying.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> One other thing about this Mod. Pride isn’t available in Jan 97, as they weren’t in real life. It’s on of a few changes I have made. Another couple include the true start dates of fighters with zero records and more up to date company information. WEC’s Mod has some fighters start later with a record and have them have a reputation etc. Everyone who is yet to debut starts at 0-0. There are plenty of places for them to fight and develop.</p><p> </p><p> One thing people may not like is the fact that it uses organic fighter information. While this does remove some of the final details about fighters which I do like, I want consistency. If someone is up for writing profiles for 2600 - 2700 fighter then I’m open to considering it. The only thing I may do is use Wikipedia and copy some bits and pieces. But only if I feel it’s needed and time allows. </p><p> </p><p> Once the kids are in bed tonight, i’m Playing Fallout 76, after that I will continue with the Mod.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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