Chaos On The Clarke! [Starship Mafia 1] Game Thread

[Leion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You outed the cult but don't want to lynch them?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why lynch them now and give scum a free pass?</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>@DJ you think six mafia even with a cult?</p><p> </p><p>

With none off the board yet that would mean two mislynches and it’s all over, or even less based on other night kills.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Vote: Bak42</span></strong> for now...but I’d really like to get deep into the mafia side of things soon. Few things I’ve really liked today but this one seems like the safe bet.</p>

[lukess11]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why lynch them now and give scum a free pass?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So we can get rid of a threat. Letting them recruit is a bad idea.</p>

[Destiny]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So we can get rid of a threat. Letting them recruit is a bad idea.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> bak42 is obviously the lynch candidate for today but it doesn't mean we can't use the phase productively.</p>

[lukess11]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>bak42 is obviously the lynch candidate for today but it doesn't mean we can't use the phase productively.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's not what I'm saying. Leion doesn't want to lynch them today.</p>

[Leion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So we can get rid of a threat. Letting them recruit is a bad idea.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah he is a threat, but I fear the pile on of votes will end the phase early, that would only make the scum's lives easier for now. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>bak42 is obviously the lynch candidate for today but it doesn't mean we can't use the phase productively.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> /nod</p>

[Leion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's not what I'm saying. Leion doesn't want to lynch them today.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Either you are putting words into my mouth or you misunderstood what I meant, I am only saying not right now, Bak is already at half and there are still people I would like to hear from. A rushed lynch would only benefit scum at this stage.</p>

[lukess11]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah he is a threat, but I fear the pile on of votes will end the phase early, that would only make the scum's lives easier for now. <p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> /nod</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Misread what you meant. You do make a fair point though.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Remove Vote</span></strong></p>

[Rayelek]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Misread what you meant. You do make a fair point though.<p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Remove Vote</span></strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just a heads up.</p><p> </p><p> You have been around long enough to know that isn't the correct formatting. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[lukess11]

<strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Change Vote: No Vote</span></strong>

[Zergon]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not necessarily, if you already know who the threat is, then the threat diminishes, scum are the people that are killing us, and this is the one thing they would rather have us do, if we just go with the easy lynch, without advancing anything further, we are basically handing scum a free pass for the day. Seeing as DJ is already set to blast people to kingdom come. Why not use the day to seek further information, because the way I see it, the group that would benefit this lynch, is scum not the crew.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks for the answer Leion.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>bak42 is obviously the lynch candidate for today but it doesn't mean we can't use the phase productively.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah he is a threat, but I fear the pile on of votes will end the phase early, that would only make the scum's lives easier for now. <p> </p><p> </p><p> /nod</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fair enough, so vote Bak but vote later. I keep my vote out for the moment then.</p>

[Leion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Misread what you meant. You do make a fair point though.<p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Remove Vote</span></strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Good, now as an attempt to ease my suspicions of you.</p><p> </p><p> 1. What do you think of DJ's plan, since you are a probable target?</p><p> </p><p> 2. Who do you think the target should be? except for the cult.</p>

[lukess11]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Good, now as an attempt to ease my suspicions of you.<p> </p><p> 1. What do you think of DJ's plan, since you are a probable target?</p><p> </p><p> 2. Who do you think the target should be? except for the cult.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> 1. I don't know if I believe it. I think he might be something else and if he is he is genious.</p><p> </p><p> 2. MLT. She has just rubbed me wrong the whole game. I've been sus of her the whole game and can't shake that feeling for whatever reason.</p>

[Leion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>1. I don't know if I believe it. I think he might be something else and if he is he is genious.<p> </p><p> 2. MLT. She has just rubbed me wrong the whole game. I've been sus of her the whole game and can't shake that feeling for whatever reason.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Care to share what you think he might be?</p><p> </p><p> As for MLT, </p><p> </p><p> can you answer the same questions for me please?</p>

[lukess11]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Care to share what you think he might be?<p> </p><p> As for MLT, </p><p> </p><p> can you answer the same questions for me please?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> With DJ, me saying what I think he is might ruin my plan.</p><p> </p><p> What questions?</p>

[lukess11]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>With DJ, me saying what I think he is might ruin my plan.<p> </p><p> What questions?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> His plan. Not good for me and formatting things today. First the wrong vote, then spelling genius wrong and now this.</p>

[Leion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>His plan. Not good for me and formatting things today. First the wrong vote, then spelling genius wrong and now this.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Okay, thanks for answering them.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Change vote: No vote</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> for now, still waiting from others to share their thoughts.</p><p> </p><p> TSS did you find anything in your ISOs?</p>

[Guest Opulent]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I’d really like to know where your minds at. Do you see a good direction?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> From the interactions I saw last phase, I’ve been sitting on the fence of Rev or Showtime. Would put some money on one of them being scum unless there’s something I haven’t seen since this question was asked. </p><p> </p><p> Some other notes from my catchup:</p><p> </p><p> - I was cautious of people who were casting shade at town leaders/ loud voices, but with a couple of the flips and claims we’ve seen I may be warming up to the idea</p><p> </p><p> - DJ is starting to scare me a little that he’ll be leading us off of cliffs and saying “oops” each time until we lynch him. Not ready to give up faith just yet tho, he is a valuable asset if town. Sneaking voice in the back of my head that thinks he could be cult, but my night last night combined with writeups evidence has settled those worries a tad. </p><p> </p><p> - While it’s easy to call out the lowest posters, I’m seeing a little too much of that. I want to stress again that it’s highly unlikely for the whole scum team to be playing with the same style. </p><p> </p><p> - my top two reads from this post would be bak or lukess, but I will ride or die one of Showtime or Rev being scum. I can’t get over that slip where Showtime called EP scum after he died. His character claim doesn’t overwhelm threadplay imo</p>

[Too Sweet Spartan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TSS did you find anything in your ISOs?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> a TON to go through, it's been a huge pain. </p><p> </p><p> I've made it to page 27 of 37 (I do the 40 posts a page, hence why I quote post numbers instead of page numbers). So progress is being made as I'm only going to the start of this day phase.</p>

[Leion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>a TON to go through, it's been a huge pain. <p> </p><p> I've made it to page 27 of 37 (I do the 40 posts a page, hence why I quote post numbers instead of page numbers). So progress is being made as I'm only going to the start of this day phase.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks for the update, I am heading to bed now, so looking forward to what you dig up, very much appreciated. </p><p> </p><p> As for Opulent's post. I am starting to get more wary of Rev as well. Curious as to what his reply would be. But I can't wait all night, see you all in the morning, don't lynch someone without me.</p>

[Too Sweet Spartan]

<p>Alright, finally done with all the thread review. Ton of posts to go through.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Found this quote, feels like it helps explain what my logic was behind these three better.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But here is the thing. I'm less concerned with scum hiding by being quiet. That will take care of itself. I'm far more concerned with those that can lead us around by the nose and pick us off while smiling in our faces. That's who I want to find.<p> </p><p> Just look at both Centralia and Sunset mafia to see what happens when they try and play the quiet game. In both games the town did not play very well. In Sunset they were just a straight up disaster to be quite honest.</p><p> </p><p> And yet town won both games. Why? </p><p> </p><p> Because too many of the scum played the quiet game and eventually when attention flowed their way they had nothing of substance to show for themselves.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> With that said, here's my thread review and highlight of what confirmed town and cult have said in regards to Destiny, MLT, DJ.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Destiny:</strong></p><p> </p><p> Literally nothing. I kid you not. Not a single dead player (town/cult/indy) referenced Destiny in a town or scum way.</p><p> </p><p> Not at all what I expected and truthfully, I'm at a loss about what it means.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>MLT:</strong></p><p> D2</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>General rule, third on the wagon is scum.<p> </p><p> <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">MLT Quote: Chanfe Vote! The Archer</span></em></p><p><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> </span></em></p><p><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> I’m torn between him and Bak honestly. Though the new guy will need to start being active or his newness will wear off and it’s lynch city for them.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> Second on one wagon and then jump to the next one gaining steam.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Vote: moon_lit_tears</span></strong><p> </p><p> Was on my list.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">DJ Quote: What about MLT (as far as being scum). Do you see what is bothering IER so much about her?</span></em>General vibe, quick to bounce to the hot new bandwagon, seemingly waiting to gain information from power role and thus putting a target on them.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> D3</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Archer" data-cite="The Archer" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Zergon quote: Would you like to share some of those better targets?</span></em><p> </p><p> ep, mlt, and dj</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Also, between MLT, Lukess, and Leion, one of them is scum. </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eliphas" data-cite="Eliphas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">DJ quote: Eliphas, do you have any reads since people are saying you.</span></em><p> </p><p> Eternal Phoenix</p><p> Moon lit tears</p><p> Leion</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eternal Phoenix" data-cite="Eternal Phoenix" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Would you like my list?<p> Bluestar's still not here. MLT always seems to set the radar a-tingling, especially since I quoted her way back there. Showtime on general principle after last game and he seems to be playing almost the same. Lower tier? BHK, Leion, and michgs. The very bottom, so low maybe I'm fooling myself? Bak, Emark, and the two new ones. It's still early game, so I'm probably wrong about half of them, though.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also, I wanted to add because I feel T2 deserves an explanation, I put my vote on you after debating on if I should put it on you or Archer. The main reason why I put it on you was by that point I was already doubting Luke. Both MLT and Emark are wild cards and I sort of have a town feeling about Zergon. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eliphas" data-cite="Eliphas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>moon lit tears I feel is being active just to appear active. They are pushing what ever is the consensus at the time. <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Referring to the list of our D3 non-archer reads</span></em> It is like I look at the list and say to myself, "I don't trust MLT (though at this point I am leaning towards a more Town read)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> D4</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Let's go ahead an get this party started. <p> </p><p> You may know her. She's been on my list and many others...hailing from Scumville USA...</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Vote: moon_lit_tears</span></strong>!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eliphas" data-cite="Eliphas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">MLT Quote: I have reason to believe he may have some info. </span></em><p><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> </span></em></p><p><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> The more you push the better I feel about you BTW.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> I am pushing because earlier you seemed to be asking questions and I want to sort your slot. The more interaction I have with you the better I can ascertain your alignment. </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bluestar Quote: You never explained this.....</span></em><p> Explain what? My vote on mlt? If so, I have explained it. She has literally been on my list since d2.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bluestar Quote: 'kay...any idea if she could be the subject of N1 or N3 of your claimed info?</span></em><p> </p><p> I think she falls in the n2 spot.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> BTW: If MLT does flip scum, I'm thinking Blue is aligned with her.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>DJ:</strong></p><p> </p><p> EP towards DJ on D2.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eternal Phoenix" data-cite="Eternal Phoenix" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You and Opulent <strong>2.0[TSS NOTE]</strong> seem to be behaving normally, at least.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> EP towards DJ, also D2.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eternal Phoenix" data-cite="Eternal Phoenix" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">DJ Quote: 1. Who do you feel better/worse about this phase, that is different from the dayphase before? Please list at the very least one of each, you don't have to say why, just who.</span></em><p> </p><p> 1. Better: You, DJ. You are your typical townie self, postin' like a madman. Zergon seems okay, too. </p><p> Worse: Has IER said much? So many posts. Bluestar, I guess.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Showtime Quote: Nobody here does any research on their own it’s largely manipulated by whoever talks the most and their whims. With DJ/Opulent running the thread it’d be quite easy to rack on a multitude of votes since people auto trust them. Add that to an entire scum team that can stack the vote as well and it wouldn’t bode well trying to stay alive against all of that</span></em><p> </p><p> I don't auto trust either one of them and the thought that one of them is Scum trying to lead others down the garden path is the reason why I do not trust them. As I said before those are the players I tend to never trust because I know others will follow them blindly.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">DJ Quote: It's wrong of you to use being fooled by Opulent against me</span></em><p> </p><p> No because going by memory you play the same way regardless of alignment. I do not specifically recall you ever leading the town down the garden path, so to speak, but I am not going to blindly trust you. I am going to not trust pretty much anyone who tries to lead out of the gate.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> D3</p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Archer" data-cite="The Archer" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Zergon quote: Would you like to share some of those better targets?</span></em><p> </p><p> ep, mlt, and dj</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Archer" data-cite="The Archer" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">DJ Quote: You come across like you said something, but in reality said nothing. Example: You said my post was "hedgy af", yet you throw three people's names up without one reason. When asked if you have anything to share you simply said "nope". I applaud your defense of last phases votes.</span></em><p> </p><p> hedgy af as in ‘i only moved cause rev moved. i was waiting on him to push mlt so i could piggyback that one.’</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Archer" data-cite="The Archer" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>u were hedgy the whole phase. u push but not too hard. u like to start things rolling and then hedge, with all ur round about talk.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eternal Phoenix" data-cite="Eternal Phoenix" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">DJ Quote: Anyone coming up more town?</span></em><p> </p><p> Don't normally think that way, but you, Two, and Spartan I guess. Archer too, probably.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eliphas" data-cite="Eliphas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not to be the one that cast doubts, but if scum has infiltrated the town core and are viewed as leaders, it can be used to as a way to herd the lynches and control the thread through their presence.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">DJ Quote: The way I'm seeing things, everytime the town starts to lean a direction, it's getting filled with these kind of posts. New guy or not, no one is leading this town... it's a cluster.....</span></em></p><p><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> </span></em></p><p><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> IF it were being led, people would be getting lynched.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eliphas" data-cite="Eliphas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Unless those leading are the ones needing to be lynched.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eliphas" data-cite="Eliphas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">DJ Quote: That's not me you're talking about at all is it?</span></em><p> I haven't decided on you tbh. I don't know whether you are town or scum I am still working thru it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Now with all of that posted, I hope people read it over and give our dead the time of day. Every quote assembled here is from someone who flipped either town or cult (in IER's case).</p><p> </p><p> And I'll finally get to respond to some posts I've seen while starting this endeavor.</p>

[Too Sweet Spartan]

<p>And now I'm sad that all that effort doesn't look as big/long as I thought it would. Ahwell. </p><p> </p><p> Now I can finally respond to something that I've been waiting to react to.</p><p> </p><p> DJ, I think the super vig is a BAD call. It'd be fun, I'm sure, but I think it will hurt town much more than help.</p><p> </p><p> If I remember correct, your 3 targets are Destiny, MLT, and Lukess. If not I'll fix what I'm posting below:</p><p> </p><p> <strong>1.</strong> You mentioned yourself that it'd be worth examining the people that didn't vote for Archer D3. MLT and Lukess both voted for Archer. Only Destiny didn't of the 3.</p><p> </p><p> Non archer voters still alive are: Bak, Blue, Destiny, DJ, Emark, Opulent, Rev, Zergon.</p><p> </p><p> So your attack would only hit one person in that group.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>2.</strong> I have a decent town read on Lukess.</p><p> </p><p> If you re-read day phase two, I was grilling Lukess hardcore. Asked him like 10 questions over an hour.</p><p> </p><p> And even when we solidly going for Archer I said:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I should add that if Archer does end up flipping town, then we definitely need to consider lynching Lukess. Because I don't see them as town/town anymore, one of them is scum.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To which Archer responded:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Archer" data-cite="The Archer" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>and lynching lukes after i flip town is another mistake of playing at a -ev level. idk what his alignment is. i screw with him cause he does that thing he does. easy lhf mislynch bait.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That kind of took me by surprise but I tried to re-evaluate Lukess since then. I'm looking at him as a townie that is super paranoid that he is going to get lynched so he's ducking in and out of the game. Do I like that? No. But I don't think he is scum.</p><p> </p><p> I feel like he is being left alive as lynchbait. He's scummy enough that people are willing to vote his way. Hasn't revealed his actual role so mafia probably isn't as concerned about him as other outed roles. Just a player being left alive to draw attention away from others and eventually waste our day phase. Like Emark was in Sunset, everyone thought he was scummy until the exact second we realized he clearly wasn't.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>3. </strong> You have a town read on Destiny. Destiny is confusing to me, I don't know how I feel about him. But if you feel like he is town, then you are sacrificing at least 1 townie to potentially get 2 scum. But probably 2 townies to get a scum. Or even just 3 townies.</p><p> </p><p> 4. If you believe your numbers then this could cost town the game if you're wrong. Even if you overestimated, this could end the game.</p><p> </p><p> If we lynch non-mafia today: We're down to 14. If all 3 targets of yours are townies and you kill them that brings us down to 11, and a night kill from scum makes 10. Enough for even a 5 person scum team to win.</p><p> </p><p> 5. If we think MLT is scummy, let's just vote MLT. Same result of killing a scum without sacrificing a person I'm thinking is townie and a person you're thinking is townie.</p><p> </p><p> If we're wrong, we lose MLT. Which would be a shame. But we wouldn't also be losing 2 other townies.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I don't like this idea, DJ. I'd rather work as a team (implying all of us, not just you and me) to work and determine scum than take this risk and potentially lose the game. We can react to flips, we can analyze data, we can go through posts. </p><p> </p><p> Town is down but we are not out. And I don't want to risk it all on assuming that Lukess and/or Destiny are scum.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Voted on Archer Only on Day Two: Emark, Zergon, Rev, DJ<p> Voted on Archer Only on Day Three: Michgcs, EP, BHK, Leion</p><p> Never Voted for Archer: Opulent, <span style="color:#0000FF;"><strong>The Archer (TOWN)</strong></span></p><p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><strong> </strong></span>, bak42, Bluestar, Destiny, Eliphas</p><p> .</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What do we think about going back to this? The list of people who voted day 2 but didn’t day 3 (when we realized the Archer lynch should be inevitable regardless) is a pretty plausible scum list in itself. Emark and Zerg have been quieter while I’m feeling one of Rev/DJ is most likely the ring leader</p><p> </p><p> I’m not sure how it shakes out but I’m willing to bet 2 are definitely mafia</p>

[BlueStar]

<p>Catching up, very busy work day....catchup post part 1.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Before I do that, I see we got some posts for Bak. <p> </p><p> I don't know how I feel about that. Cult is a problem, sure. But mafia are the greater concern, lynching a cult member this day phase is another day phase where we still haven't flipped red and truthfully, we can't go many more days without at least 1.</p><p> </p><p> Cult is mafia's problem more than ours at this second. Because that's two more people who we know aren't a part of their group.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The last part worries me. Cult is a problem for town as numbers on town generally decrease and Cult increases...are you the Cult recruiter, mon cher? <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>lukes, bak, MLT, and Destiny have been my targets (in order), if that helps putting together anything. This is something I would want to know if I were the one putting things together.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you’re being truthful DJ, I feel like you might be withholding some information. That list is full of relevant targets</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm with Showy White here...all are alive and might be able to confirm something.</p>

[BlueStar]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>YEah, might as well out it all.<p> </p><p> I'm your Munitions Officer, and I'm like no other Vig I've seen. I have an option... I don't have to push the Red Button.</p><p> </p><p> but I really REALLY REALLY WANT TO DO IT THOUGH!</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#0000FF;">You are the Crew Aligned Munitions Commander.</span></strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46549" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Only my targets, but yeah!!!<img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Remember the boy who cried "Wolf"? What if he was a wolf....</p>