moon_lit_tears Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Hey Ray 2.0 any info you can give us since you're joining us for the first time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franticloser Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Good evening Ray 2.0 welcome to the party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayelek Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I can tell you that I am town, eager to help said town, and have no new information at this juncture. I feel bad for that Rayelek guy though. What an untimely death, poor fellow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leion Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Paws and Leion are my two top. Hellshock doesn't give me scum vibes.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Apparently I am always scummy to you MLT, Oh well. I disagree on hellshock. He reeks of being scum. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rayelek" data-cite="Rayelek" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can tell you that I am town, eager to help said town, and have no new information at this juncture. I feel bad for that Rayelek guy though. What an untimely death, poor fellow.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think I liked old Ray better, at least he was town. You just feel scummy.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leion Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 As for Franticloser, you might have just made me a target. But I will give you a pass since its your first game. Although, that could have been deliberate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <p>Honestly, it's because you've said a bit, without really saying much at all. </p><p> </p><p> I've another theory on the Ray kill as well.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leion Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Honestly, it's because you've said a bit, without really saying much at all. <p> </p><p> I've another theory on the Ray kill as well.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I was only saying what I was thinking. </p><p> </p><p> I have some thoughts about that as well. The kill didn't make sense in the first place.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I was only saying what I was thinking. <p> </p><p> I have some thoughts about that as well. The kill didn't make sense in the first place.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> It doesn't. Which made me think at first .... a new player, but then I figured they'd have another person to direct them away from that, so then I was like...hmmm.</p><p> </p><p> My thoughts are a vet leading the group thinking the kill would get us to mislynch the new guy. </p><p> </p><p> I think Paws would be that diabolical, but so would you. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leion Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It doesn't. Which made me think at first .... a new player, but then I figured they'd have another person to direct them away from that, so then I was like...hmmm.<p> </p><p> My thoughts are a vet leading the group thinking the kill would get us to mislynch the new guy. </p><p> </p><p> I think Paws would be that diabolical, but so would you. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why? I am clean as a whistle. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Paws would, but it seems out of character for her to duck the thread if she was planning something. If anything, your theory applies to hellshock the most. Especially after some of his posts that felt odd.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leion Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why? I am clean as a whistle. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Paws would, but it seems out of character for her to duck the thread if she was planning something. If anything, your theory applies to hellshock the most. Especially after some of his posts that felt odd.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But I also won't disregard Zergon as well. If Paws is innocent and Destiny was scum. His actions so far is the insistence of Paws. Just feels like he is pointing too much into that direction.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leion Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But I also won't disregard Zergon as well. If Paws is innocent and Destiny was scum. His actions so far is the insistence of going after Paws. Just feels like he is pointing too much into that direction.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> EBWOP</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <p>There is no way Destiny wasn't scum. I see no way a small game like this would have two kills. IF we had a town kill, that means the role blocker stopped another kill, and would have said something by now. </p><p> </p><p> I am not sure what Destiny was trying to claim, either protector (he did a bad job at that then) or role blocker, I'm glad the real one (if we have one) didn't take the bait.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leion Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There is no way Destiny wasn't scum. I see no way a small game like this would have two kills. IF we had a town kill, that means the role blocker stopped another kill, and would have said something by now. <p> </p><p> I am not sure what Destiny was trying to claim, either protector (he did a bad job at that then) or role blocker, I'm glad the real one (if we have one) didn't take the bait.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, that is why I am suspicious of the people that seemed to hesitate voting on Destiny. Which puts both Zergon and Hellshock to the top of my list. Paws can be in the middle for now.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zergon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But I also won't disregard Zergon as well. If Paws is innocent and Destiny was scum. His actions so far is the insistence of Paws. Just feels like he is pointing too much into that direction.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My usual policy is to poke players who ain´t posting a lot if I don´t have another clear rote, which has been the case on both this phase and the last (yes, l wasn´t sure Destiny was scum, I explain more below).</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There is no way Destiny wasn't scum. I see no way a small game like this would have two kills. IF we had a town kill, that means the role blocker stopped another kill, and would have said something by now. <p> </p><p> I am not sure what Destiny was trying to claim, either protector (he did a bad job at that then) or role blocker, I'm glad the real one (if we have one) didn't take the bait.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I mean Destiny pretty much outright said he´s role blocker (quote below) and I do believe that the "I know I have a tendency to get in the way of people" line was another hint on that earlier. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Let's weigh up the pros and cons. If you lynch me then I'm gone but you still won't be sure of my alignment and there will still be kills every night, and you'll be down the most active townie with an ability that has yet to be counterclaimed. My reasons for targeting TBP have already been explained and I hinted at it in the thread before MLT revealed anything.<p> </p><p> Keep me alive and I can continue to help push the town forward throughout the day and use my ability on anyone we feel suspicious, or even not roleblock at all if you're worried about me blocking townies. Any investigators or watchers feel free to check me out if you want to be sure about me. Look at the votes on me, they may all be townies but there is scum there somewhere I'm fairly certain. Also, there are still two players who haven't posted today. Shouldn't we be looking into other directions? I've been looking forward to this game for a long time and want to lead the town but it will be frustrating to get mislycnched due to unfortunate and unlucky circumstances.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And that´s why I was unwilling to go towards Destiny at the time I put my vote in, as him being a town roleblocker would have explained MLT seeing him targeting TBP and if he was town we lost not only a decently powerful role but also the most active player. Now I admit it´s more likely that MLT is right and he was the scum killer but I don´t think it´s as clear cut case that she and Leion make it out to be nor do I think that we can be 100% certain of it.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 If Destiny was a roleblocker, that means we have 2 killers. Where is the second kill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zergon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If Destiny was a roleblocker, that means we have 2 killers. Where is the second kill?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How Destiny roleblocking TBP would translate into "need to have two killers"?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zergon" data-cite="Zergon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How Destiny roleblocking TBP would translate into "need to have two killers"?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Grr.</p><p> </p><p> Right, sorry earlier discussion about two killers.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Question. Do you believe we have (had) a roleblcker in the game? </p><p> </p><p> Do you believe that was Destiny?</p><p> </p><p> Do you know my ability?</p><p> </p><p> Do you believe it would be in the game? </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> After rereading my lean on someone else is changing...IF Destiny is scum, I’m almost 100 percent sure he is...someone was throwing a lot of shade my way. I missed it the first time, but saw it the second time. </p><p> </p><p> I would have thought Ray was scum too, but I am wrong. Unless scum killed one of their own..</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zergon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Grr.<p> </p><p> Right, sorry earlier discussion about two killers.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Question. Do you believe we have (had) a roleblcker in the game? </p><p> </p><p> Do you believe that was Destiny?</p><p> </p><p> Do you know my ability?</p><p> </p><p> Do you believe it would be in the game? </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> After rereading my lean on someone else is changing...IF Destiny is scum, I’m almost 100 percent sure he is...someone was throwing a lot of shade my way. I missed it the first time, but saw it the second time. </p><p> </p><p> I would have thought Ray was scum too, but I am wrong. Unless scum killed one of their own..</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think roleblocker is a possibility. For me it´s about third most common role after tracker/watcher etc. (I consider these as kind of similar roles and thus count them as variants of the same role) and protector so yes, I think it´s possible that we have/had one.</p><p> </p><p> I don´t know if it was Destiny or not, I´m thinking it´s more likely that you are right and he was a scum but I´m not 100% certain of that.</p><p> </p><p> I assume I do yes.</p><p> </p><p> Yes, I believe there would be at least one of that role in this game.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayelek Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not trying to push suspicion on you just wanted to create conversation with whoever was online at the time. <strong>Guys, this puts me two votes away from a lynch.</strong> I'd be really careful as scum could come on and hammer this quickly to cause a mislynch. franticloser, your vote is your most powerful weapon, be careful about where and how you use it. That's me trying to give you advice in your first game. Feel free to remove your vote.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is from Day 2, really early in the phase. Bolded the part that felt wonky.</p><p> </p><p> 4 explanations come to mind, from what I believe most to least</p><p> 1. Destiny knew there was a double voter/vote manipulator, and who it was, so his count was off. Making Destiny and probably either Leion or Frantic scum. This was a slip.</p><p> 2. Destiny counted wrong and thought MLT voted.</p><p> 3. Destiny counted wrong and thought lynch was at 4 votes.</p><p> 4. Destiny was lying to try to get fewer people to vote on himself.</p><p> </p><p> My number 1 suspect for the phase is Paws, who I still don't think we have seen (could be wrong, 5 minute skim on work break).</p><p> </p><p> Back to work, break is over, got 1.5 hours or so until lunch, I plan to check back then.</p><p> </p><p> Also this game seems way more powerful than I would have guessed.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayelek Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <p>Here is what was kicking around in my head the last hour and a half:</p><p> </p><p> *Did Destiny really kill TBP? He claimed role blocker which would give him a reason to be there, and there was a kill the night after he was lynched. MLT said she followed Destiny to TBP so all that does is confirm who Destiny targeted.</p><p> </p><p> *If we were wrong on Destiny, that makes it either 4-3 town or 3-1-3 town. So we have to get it right this phase. That said, I think that Destiny was more likely scum than not. But just in case, be wary.</p><p> </p><p> *franticloser, I am a little suspicious of you and here's why. First, your claim is a really easy fake claim because you can just say "oops I was wrong" every night. Second, now you are on the 2nd likely lynch vote, and of course, while town needs to lynch scum, scum want lynches to reduce town numbers. So I'm gonna ask <strong>who were your 2 targets?</strong></p><p> </p><p> *Who is the scum team? Of course the biggest question. Holding my vote for later, unless any other developments come to light, it will be on Paws.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <p>Paws posted Day 1 nothing since. </p><p> </p><p> Hmm. </p><p> </p><p> Could the double voter be scum, and Destiny misspoke and let the cat out of the bag?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellshock70 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, that is why I am suspicious of the people that seemed to hesitate voting on Destiny. Which puts both Zergon and Hellshock to the top of my list. Paws can be in the middle for now.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Actually I pulled myself out of a self induced nyquil coma to vote Saturday morning but saw it ended early so I took my happy *** back to bed.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Finally feel better other than a still nasty cough. I can take a picture of that to prove how sick I've been if the nyquil pic wasn't enough?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hellshock70" data-cite="hellshock70" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Actually I pulled myself out of a self induced nyquil coma to vote Saturday morning but saw it ended early so I took my happy *** back to bed.<p> </p><p> </p><p> Finally feel better other than a still nasty cough. I can take a picture of that to prove how sick I've been if the nyquil pic wasn't enough?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Instead of making this personal how's about we discuss game, like...who are you suspect of right now?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellshock70 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Instead of making this personal how's about we discuss game, like...who are you suspect of right now?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Actually I'm pretty well lost on suspects. Even rereading stuff and doing a timeline on the Destiny votes did little other than tell me why Ray 1.0 was killed.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Vote: Destiny</span></strong> 12:27 AM</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="franticloser" data-cite="franticloser" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">change vote: Destiny </span></strong>1:02 AM</div></blockquote><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> <strong><span style="color:#8B0000;">Vote: Destiny </span></strong>11:40pm</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rayelek" data-cite="Rayelek" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;"><strong>Vote: Destiny </strong></span>1:32 AM</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em><strong>Random Thoughts</strong></em></span></p><p> You and Destiny always poking at each other always makes me pause on voting for either of you when the other is leading the hunt.</p><p> </p><p> Ignoring franticloser vibes to let enjoy a first game.</p><p> </p><p> And while I hate inactivity I can't say much on Paws when I've been down a lot myself.</p><p> </p><p> Also hate not knowing <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">for sure</span></strong> what side TBP and Destiny were on.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hellshock70" data-cite="hellshock70" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46998" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Also hate not knowing <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">for sure</span></strong> what side TBP and Destiny were on.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You think it's plausible 3 of us wound up around TBP night 1?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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