Questlove Posted March 10, 2023 Author Share Posted March 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Kosmos412 said: Noticed Maika has a retirement age of 25. Was that intended for Himeka, who is retiring at the age of 25 currently? I'd die IRL if Maika retired this young, haha. Thanks. Just me being dumb, will fix. Oopsie 16 hours ago, wphill said: I mean the dude has 4.2 million Twitter followers. He has the same pop as Kenny Omega who has 570k followers so while I like the idea of the "casual" fame thing, it doesn't really stack up. I'm not complaining at all, whoever puts their heart and soul into this mod can rate pop however they see fit, we can always mass edit to our liking. For me, Seth Rollins would be around a 72 to 75. He's still getting great reactions every week on the second most watched wrestling show on tv but it's a subjective opinion and the awesome mod makers have their reasons why he's rated lower. I don't tend to take Twitter followers into account because they're not really a good indicator of anything. You kind of get followers by default just by being in WWE, especially if you post a lot - like you said, Seth has 4.2mil followers but Brock only has 1.4mil despite being a far bigger star. Kenny has 570k but Curtis Axel has 620k. When I'm rating overseas I do consider recognition amongst casual fans but I also try to consider how many of those would actually follow the guy in question were they to go somewhere else and frankly I'd be astonished if Seth was at that level of popularity. Could he do with a bit of a buff? Maybe, but one of WWE's biggest issues for a few years now imo (other than sucking) has been their lack of star power and this has been when Seth has been on top for large periods of time. If I was to bump him up to 72-75 he'd fall under Major Star perception which is just not the case. I've been toying with the idea of raising WWE's popularity but leaving the worker pop mostly the way it is so they have very few workers sitting at Star perception which I think is the reality of their situation but I think people would get annoyed at being dinged for a lack of star power in game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinsmoker Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Basically lots of gimmicks atm would need a "Major penalty to Star Quality" added to it and having lower popularity is much more easier and more sensible to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wphill Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Questlove said: I don't tend to take Twitter followers into account because they're not really a good indicator of anything. You kind of get followers by default just by being in WWE, especially if you post a lot - like you said, Seth has 4.2mil followers but Brock only has 1.4mil despite being a far bigger star. Kenny has 570k but Curtis Axel has 620k. When I'm rating overseas I do consider recognition amongst casual fans but I also try to consider how many of those would actually follow the guy in question were they to go somewhere else and frankly I'd be astonished if Seth was at that level of popularity. Could he do with a bit of a buff? Maybe, but one of WWE's biggest issues for a few years now imo (other than sucking) has been their lack of star power and this has been when Seth has been on top for large periods of time. If I was to bump him up to 72-75 he'd fall under Major Star perception which is just not the case. I've been toying with the idea of raising WWE's popularity but leaving the worker pop mostly the way it is so they have very few workers sitting at Star perception which I think is the reality of their situation but I think people would get annoyed at being dinged for a lack of star power in game. Totally agree, that's exactly why you can't rate them that way and use the old analogy of 'if I ask a non wrestling fan who x is' because Twitter would suggest that millions more people would know who Seth Rollins is. Does it mean he's more 'over' than Kenny Omega? That's for you to decide as the mod maker and I won't complain because it's your opinion and you are the guys spending all this time on creating an awesome mod for the community. All I can say is that in my opinion, a few WWE guys are a little low on pop when you take into account recent ratings and attendance in comparison to AEW and I'm absolutely fine with tweaking those stats myself in the editor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questlove Posted March 10, 2023 Author Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, wphill said: Totally agree, that's exactly why you can't rate them that way and use the old analogy of 'if I ask a non wrestling fan who x is' because Twitter would suggest that millions more people would know who Seth Rollins is. Does it mean he's more 'over' than Kenny Omega? That's for you to decide as the mod maker and I won't complain because it's your opinion and you are the guys spending all this time on creating an awesome mod for the community. All I can say is that in my opinion, a few WWE guys are a little low on pop when you take into account recent ratings and attendance in comparison to AEW and I'm absolutely fine with tweaking those stats myself in the editor. I'm happy to take suggestions on what people think some better numbers would be, it's constantly being tested and changed. I've already made hundreds of changes since the March release so that was never by any means the finished product so to speak when it came to popularity. Off the top of my head Seth is up to 68, Becky up to 70, Orton up to 72, Rey up to 60, Sami up to 65, Cena up to 83, WWE as a company is up to 71 and there's been some small reductions in AEW as well because I feel like there wasn't enough of a gap between WWE and them - realistically they aren't catching up any time soon and AEW under the AI tends to grow way too fast so I'm trying to at least slow that down. Edited March 10, 2023 by Questlove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan_Daviz Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Dutch Mantel only having a Psychology rating of 67 is kind of a glaring error, tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan_Daviz Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Matt Menard is in the database twice, as Matt Menard and Matt Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan_Daviz Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Angelo Parker is also in the database twice, as Angelo Parker and Jeff Parker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcheoOutOfNowhere Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I checked the "changes" file that was in the file to import one by one the new workers, and while most new workers were indeed in the mod, for some reason I couldn't find the following ones: Bryson Montana Bronco Nima Tank Ledger Jakara Jackson Lola Vice Myles Borne Oba Femi Tavion Heights Megan Morant Did I screw up somehow by deleting them, or does anyone else have the same problem ? Absolutely love this mod by the way, and I'm really excited for some of the workers added since I won't have to replace them by someone else in my save to fill their spot in a "must hire" shortlist. There are still 2 of them I've yet to find in any mod, but considering how little matches they have (and even then, mostly as jobbers) I wouldn't expect them anyway 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questlove Posted March 13, 2023 Author Share Posted March 13, 2023 47 minutes ago, ArcheoOutOfNowhere said: I checked the "changes" file that was in the file to import one by one the new workers, and while most new workers were indeed in the mod, for some reason I couldn't find the following ones: Bryson Montana Bronco Nima Tank Ledger Jakara Jackson Lola Vice Myles Borne Oba Femi Tavion Heights Megan Morant Did I screw up somehow by deleting them, or does anyone else have the same problem ? Absolutely love this mod by the way, and I'm really excited for some of the workers added since I won't have to replace them by someone else in my save to fill their spot in a "must hire" shortlist. There are still 2 of them I've yet to find in any mod, but considering how little matches they have (and even then, mostly as jobbers) I wouldn't expect them anyway 😛 They're in under their real names but I put the gimmick names in the changes log, my bad. Here they are: Bryson Montana - Jacoby Brooks Bronco Nima - Edwin Grande Tank Ledger - Joe Spivak Jakara Jackson - Jamara Garrett Lola Vice - Valerie Loureda Myles Borne - David Bostian Oba Femi - Isaac Odugbesan Tavion Heights - Tracy G'Angelo Megan Morant - Megan O'Brien 14 hours ago, Dylan_Daviz said: Matt Menard is in the database twice, as Matt Menard and Matt Lee. 14 hours ago, Dylan_Daviz said: Angelo Parker is also in the database twice, as Angelo Parker and Jeff Parker. These are RWC+ duplicates, think it was fixed in the latest release. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cor99 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Hey Quest, thanks for the work as always. When changing the pops, have you also adjusted TV Network expectations, general TV audience, live crowd attendance and such? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questlove Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 On 3/13/2023 at 11:05 PM, Cor99 said: Hey Quest, thanks for the work as always. When changing the pops, have you also adjusted TV Network expectations, general TV audience, live crowd attendance and such? I can't remember now if it all made it in for the March update but yeah, it's quite accurate at the moment. The one downside is WWE are unable to get the massive attendance for Wrestlemania (same with NJPW and WK iirc) without making all their other PPV attendances wildly inflated but I'd rather balance for the other 11 months of the year and people can just give themselves a boost for the big shows if they fancy it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson99 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) Has anyone got updated/custom pics (GIF Version) of: Adam Page, Andrade El Idolo, Angelo Parker, Diamante, Keira Hogan, Matt Lee, Nyla Rose, Skye Blue, Shawn Spears & Wheeler Yuta. Charlotte Flair, Emma, JBL, Mustafa Ali, Piper Niven, Shelton Benjamin, Solo Sikoa, Tegan Nox & Trish Stratus. Thanks in advance! Edited March 16, 2023 by Jackson99 Addition to names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan_Daviz Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 IMPACT's referee roster since January 2023 is Frank Gastineau, Daniel Spencer and Allison Leigh. Brandon Tolle and Brian Stiffler have not been with the company for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan_Daviz Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Scott Armstrong is not with IMPACT, he has openly said he is not under any sort of deal with them following his appearance at Emergence 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCStensland Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Davey Richards announced his retirement (again) after allegations surfaced of domestic violence and drug use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboardTheArk Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Hey, congratulations on this mod, I have downloaded so many versions of it over the years, really appreciate the work you do. Question that maybe has been explained/answered but it's 89 pages of posts: Is there a reason BJW has higher popularity than AJPW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questlove Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 3/19/2023 at 7:53 PM, AboardTheArk said: Hey, congratulations on this mod, I have downloaded so many versions of it over the years, really appreciate the work you do. Question that maybe has been explained/answered but it's 89 pages of posts: Is there a reason BJW has higher popularity than AJPW? Just an oversight really, I've reworked the pops for Japanese companies and workers for the next update so the hierarchy is now more like this: NJPW >>> STARDOM > NOAH > DG > DDT > AJPW > BJW > TJPW > ZERO1 > GLEAT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Questlove said: Just an oversight really, I've reworked the pops for Japanese companies and workers for the next update so the hierarchy is now more like this: NJPW >>> STARDOM > NOAH > DG > DDT > AJPW > BJW > TJPW > ZERO1 > GLEAT I would say the landscape currently should look NJPW > STARDOM > NOAH > TJPW > AJPW > DG > DDT > BJW > ZERO1 > GLEAT (With there not being much/any difference between TJPW/AJPW/DG and quite a gap between the top 3 and the rest ). I'd probably argue that STARDOM should be below NOAH due to STARDOM not even reaching crowds of 2000 recently and NOAH not long having both an 8000+ and 30000+ attendance but it's not a hill I'm going to die on. Again, these are only how I'd rank them - you can ignore it if you wish. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larrikn Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 BJW should probably be below TJPW and maybe even GLEAT. Z1 should be the lowest, basically non-existent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questlove Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Fleisch said: I would say the landscape currently should look NJPW > STARDOM > NOAH > TJPW > AJPW > DG > DDT > BJW > ZERO1 > GLEAT (With there not being much/any difference between TJPW/AJPW/DG and quite a gap between the top 3 and the rest ). I'd probably argue that STARDOM should be below NOAH due to STARDOM not even reaching crowds of 2000 recently and NOAH not long having both an 8000+ and 30000+ attendance but it's not a hill I'm going to die on. Again, these are only how I'd rank them - you can ignore it if you wish. 🙂 I think it's a toss up between NOAH and STARDOM for number 2 really, could go either way. I went for STARDOM but only by like 2 pop points just because they've consistently outsold NOAH for a year (as have DG, but probably not in the last few months) on their own merits. NOAH had a big boost from the Mutoh retirement run and NJPW collabs but I've largely ignored those numbers because the real test will be how they do going forward imo and judging by the last show's attendance it's tough to say if they've capitalised on having more eyes on them temporarily. As for TJPW and ZERO1, I had TJPW that low because TJPW were selling less than BJW and ZERO1 shockingly only slightly less than that but they're a weird one because they use stars from bigger companies which the game doesn't really take into account. It seems like in more recent attendances BJW have fallen off a cliff though Japanese popularity is annoying to do, it fluctuates so wildly it's tough to keep track of or interpret Edited March 21, 2023 by Questlove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrypotterhead Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Questlove said: I think it's a toss up between NOAH and STARDOM for number 2 really, could go either way. I went for STARDOM but only by like 2 pop points just because they've consistently outsold NOAH for a year (as have DG, but probably not in the last few months) on their own merits. NOAH had a big boost from the Mutoh retirement run and NJPW collabs but I've largely ignored those numbers because the real test will be how they do going forward imo and judging by the last show's attendance it's tough to say if they've capitalised on having more eyes on them temporarily. As for TJPW and ZERO1, I had TJPW that low because TJPW were selling less than BJW and ZERO1 shockingly only slightly less than that but they're a weird one because they use stars from bigger companies which the game doesn't really take into account. It seems like in more recent attendances BJW have fallen off a cliff though Japanese popularity is annoying to do, it fluctuates so wildly it's tough to keep track of or interpret I agree, i'd say NOAH has boosted recently from working with NJPW and also Shinsuke appearance but Idk if they can keep that going over time, but will see. Stardom i believe is the #2 promotion in japan because they'll probably keep this going longer since they are a sister company of the biggest company in Japan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrypotterhead Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 would if be possible to put Rick Ross inside the game? I know its no big deal, just wondering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrypotterhead Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Naomi is no longer with the WWE her new ring name is "Trinity Star" she filed a trademark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrypotterhead Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 some working relationships that could be updated Skye Blue / Dante Martin - Split up Maki Itoh / Mizuki - Strong Friendship Maki Itoh / Miyu Yamashita - Strong Friendship Maki Itoh / Yuki Kamifuku - Best Friends Mizuki / Yuka Sakazaki - Best Friends Shayna Baszler / Jessamyn Duke - Strong Friendship Seth Rollins / Xavier Woods - Strong Friendship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YBDynamo Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 (edited) On 3/16/2023 at 5:31 PM, Jackson99 said: Has anyone got updated/custom pics (GIF Version) of: Adam Page, Andrade El Idolo, Angelo Parker, Diamante, Keira Hogan, Matt Lee, Nyla Rose, Skye Blue, Shawn Spears & Wheeler Yuta. Charlotte Flair, Emma, JBL, Mustafa Ali, Piper Niven, Shelton Benjamin, Solo Sikoa, Tegan Nox & Trish Stratus. Thanks in advance! I might have some, I definitely have newer parker and lee, I'll have to check the rest, but I use the sticker pack, not sampp, style if that makes a difference or if you have specific pics you want cut, I can do that Edited April 1, 2023 by YBDynamo offer to cut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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