Road to Glory 2020 Discussion Thread

[SeanMcG]

Since you're allowed to jump around between promotions, including upward, I'm not sure the ones I've quoted would make sense.

 

Could just read those as "be in an X sized promotion for the first time"

 

I'm excited to play, so thanks for all the work so far!

 

 

Good catches, updated.

[Jon The GOAT]

Have official rules & guide been settled on yet?

[jpuk]

I was planning on including a Road To Glory tab on my Ultimate Excel document. What info would you want to see?

 

It could record starting stats vs. current, yearly stats progression, annual best match. It could also incorporate and generate the random year end roles.

 

What would you want?

 

You can see and download the current document version here:

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=546044

[praguepride]

For attributes my recommendation is to not allow them at all and instead rely on rolling randomly for them.

 

If you try to categorize them and balance them out you will go nuts trying to avoid loopholes or killer combinations. If you create a system, people will naturally try to push it.

 

There aren't any attributes that are "required". Just give your guy a Professional attitude and call it a day.

[praguepride]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SeanMcG" data-cite="SeanMcG" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Got a couple ideas for achievements. Let me know what you guys think.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Maybe add in one for Storyline? hit 50/75/100 storyline heat with the user character? </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Also because you can meddle can you create friends? If so maybe have awards for 5/10/15 friends or even just 5/10/15 relationships period. </p><p> </p><p> An award for finding Positive/Negative chemistry as while it is RNG you can also have a mission of wrestling against as many different people as possible which would be fun to chase for awhile.</p><p> </p><p> There are some milestone achievements like:</p><p> Sign your first written contract, Create a child company, sign a televised PPV, break $1,000,000 in the bank, draw X number of viewers for PPV or Show, hit</p><p> 25/50/75/100 popularity in [insert region].</p>

[Bad Collin]

<p>I played through the three months of the demo with a 0/0/0/1000 company and it looks to be much easier this year. I ran six shows a month using the same eight workers and lost 3085 in Jan, 1837 in Feb and 263 in March. </p><p> </p><p>

It should be easy enough for a small company to survive in the new game.</p>

[Jaded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bad Collin" data-cite="Bad Collin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I played through the three months of the demo with a 0/0/0/1000 company and it looks to be much easier this year. I ran six shows a month using the same eight workers and lost 3085 in Jan, 1837 in Feb and 263 in March. <p> </p><p> It should be easy enough for a small company to survive in the new game.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If wages don't get fixed then I can't see any real point in RTG, sadly. It's going to be ridiculously easy.</p>

[awesomenessofme1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaded" data-cite="Jaded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If wages don't get fixed then I can't see any real point in RTG, sadly. It's going to be ridiculously easy.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What do you mean "fixed"? You mean the ridiculous 2016 system where nobodies who in real life would probably work for free demanded $200 a show? There are issues with the wage system (exclusive written PPA being too cheap being the biggest one I know of), but they don't really come into play until you've reached a decent size. The more relevant financial issue for RtG is self-owned PPV broadcasters being too effective.</p>

[Bad Collin]

<p>Update on Rules:</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Stats</strong> - People seem to like the idea of using the quick skill creation tool. Maybe players could have the choice of using this tool or allocating 750 points themselves. The trade off is you get more points using the tool but less choice about where they go.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Starting/Changing Promotion</strong> - No need to change these requirements</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>User Preferences</strong> - The cosmetic changes are now mixed with the gameplay changes. Shall we just say that preferences can be changed if they don't affect the gameplay (e.g. coloured text)?</p><p> </p><p>

<img alt="10TLXdH.png" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/10TLXdH.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Mystery Box</strong> - I liked SeanMcG's additions but I feel very strongly that we should stick to tradition and have 54 items in the list. I also thought a few of the old items could be removed. I'll try and finish the list tonight. </p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Achievements</strong> - I suggest we use SeanMcG's list from a few posts up. Anymore than that and it becomes difficult to manage.</p>

[awesomenessofme1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bad Collin" data-cite="Bad Collin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> <strong>User Preferences</strong> - The cosmetic changes are now mixed with the gameplay changes. Shall we just say that preferences can be changed if they don't affect the gameplay (e.g. coloured text)?</p><p> </p><p> <img alt="10TLXdH.png" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/10TLXdH.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Technically, pre-booking requirements are a gameplay setting, but I personally strongly feel that they should not be necessary. I find them incredibly annoying and tedious.</p>

[Bad Collin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaded" data-cite="Jaded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If wages don't get fixed then I can't see any real point in RTG, sadly. It's going to be ridiculously easy.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="awesomenessofme1" data-cite="awesomenessofme1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What do you mean "fixed"? You mean the ridiculous 2016 system where nobodies who in real life would probably work for free demanded $200 a show? There are issues with the wage system (exclusive written PPA being too cheap being the biggest one I know of), but they don't really come into play until you've reached a decent size. The more relevant financial issue for RtG is self-owned PPV broadcasters being too effective.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think this new way is better. The challenge of RTG was never surviving the first year, the challenge was sticking through the grinds from regional to cult and cult to national to get your UC to the top. </p><p> </p><p> 2016 was annoying because everyone had to start over constantly until they found a way of staying in business. Every patch that Adam issued changed the finances too.</p>

[Bad Collin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="awesomenessofme1" data-cite="awesomenessofme1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Technically, pre-booking requirements are a gameplay setting, but I personally strongly feel that they should not be necessary. I find them incredibly annoying and tedious.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Mandatory pre booking is off by default so it would not be required for the RTG challenge.</p>

[Jaded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="awesomenessofme1" data-cite="awesomenessofme1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What do you mean "fixed"? You mean the ridiculous 2016 system where nobodies who in real life would probably work for free demanded $200 a show? There are issues with the wage system (exclusive written PPA being too cheap being the biggest one I know of), but they don't really come into play until you've reached a decent size. The more relevant financial issue for RtG is self-owned PPV broadcasters being too effective.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I mean people like Nelson Callum, Bradley Blaze, Bradford Peverell, and a ton of other staggeringly talented wrestlers with sky-high overness in certain areas compared to the size of an RTG fed working for 60 or 40 dollars a night. There is zero point in signing perhaps 90% of the available talent as there are so many better options for virtually the same cost. Self-owned PPVs being too effective are also going to ruin RTG but not as immediately.</p>

[Bad Collin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaded" data-cite="Jaded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I mean people like Nelson Callum, Bradley Blaze, Bradford Peverell, and a ton of other staggeringly talented wrestlers with sky-high overness in certain areas compared to the size of an RTG fed working for 60 or 40 dollars a night. There is zero point in signing perhaps 90% of the available talent as there are so many better options for virtually the same cost. Self-owned PPVs being too effective are also going to ruin RTG but not as immediately.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is true. Ian Vincible and Landon Mallory are available for $30 a show in the UK.</p>

[Jaded]

<p>This is my current RTG roster. Youngman is $40 a show, everyone else is $30 or below. (My negotiating is high)</p><p> </p><p>

Alina America</p><p>

Barry Griffin</p><p>

Bobby Thomas</p><p>

Electric Dreamer</p><p>

Ernest Youngman</p><p>

Findlay O'Farraday</p><p>

Foxxy LaRue</p><p>

Fro Sure</p><p>

Jackpot Jordan</p><p>

Joffy Laine</p><p>

Juliet Balconi</p><p>

Masked Stranger</p><p>

Pinky Perez</p><p>

Roger Monteiro</p><p>

Sayeed Ali</p><p>

The Architect</p><p>

My user character</p><p> </p><p>

If I had more for them to do, I could bring in Frankie-Boy Fernandes, Jake Idol, Hustle Muvva, Danielle Sweetheart, Bradford Peverell for $40 each, and for an extra $10 a night Nelson Callum. All of them have 70+ charisma AND psychology which by RTG standards is breathtaking.</p><p> </p><p>

Why would I ever get someone who isn't either a fantastic in ring worker (relative to the fed's size) or incredibly charismatic when there are so many who ARE one or both of those things available for virtually the same price?</p><p> </p><p>

(And the old system wasn't great but at least had something resembling a challenge.)</p>

[Bad Collin]

hmm, If this doesn't get patched then maybe we need a rule about it.

[Jaded]

hmm, If this doesn't get patched then maybe we need a rule about it.

 

Yeah, house-ruling it would be next best thing, I guess? Maybe limit ourselves to wrestlers with max respect of "5 + our home area popularity" or something?

[Jaded]

This is true. Ian Vincible and Landon Mallory are available for $30 a show in the UK.

 

Mallory's $50 a show contract with VWA for someone who has psychology 77, charisma 78, brawling 72 and overness 37 is hilariously cheap.

[Moxley]

Whenever I've played in the past, I've tried to only sign wrestlers who were otherwise unemployed and/or are from the area I'm based in, and only sign wrestlers working elsewhere if I had to avoid the roster size penalties.

[Bad Collin]

Mallory's $50 a show contract with VWA for someone who has psychology 77, charisma 78, brawling 72 and overness 37 is hilariously cheap.

 

That has to be a bug, he has 44 overness in the area that VWA are based in and is their figurehead!

[Jaded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bad Collin" data-cite="Bad Collin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That has to be a bug, he has 44 overness in the area that VWA are based in and is their figurehead!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But a) it goes off average popularity across Europe and b) the wages compared to that average popularity are stupidly low.</p><p> </p><p> His pop is: 16/16/11/11/44/12/7, making it a total across Europe of 117 and an average of just below 17. Wrestlers with 13, 14, 15, or 16 average pop in their home country/continent want $50 a show. For some reason it doesn't take into consideration respect (as TEW 16 did) OR the fact that he's incredibly over in Central Europe where they're actually running shows. (I tested this by editing Penfold Perdition to 99 in Hawaii - he was more popular than Jack Bruce and still only wanted $40 a show!!)</p>

[Bad Collin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaded" data-cite="Jaded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But a) it goes off average popularity across Europe and b) the wages compared to that average popularity are stupidly low.<p> </p><p> His pop is: 16/16/11/11/44/12/7, making it a total across Europe of 117 and an average of just below 17. Wrestlers with 13, 14, 15, or 16 average pop in their home country/continent want $50 a show. For some reason it doesn't take into consideration respect (as TEW 16 did) OR the fact that he's incredibly over in Central Europe where they're actually running shows. (I tested this by editing Penfold Perdition to 99 in Hawaii - he was more popular than Jack Bruce and still only wanted $40 a show!!)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Re-adding respect into the calculation seems like the best solution. Perhaps if they have been unemployed for a while high respect adds less to the wage demands.</p>

[Bad Collin]

<p>My attempt at editing the mystery box picks:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>1. "Friends with Benefits" You gain one Working Agreement (you may try a different company if you are rejected) OR you can join an existing Alliance (assuming they let you in) OR you may invite another company to join your alliance (you may try a different company if you are rejected).<p> 2. "War is Good for Business" Your owner demands you declare war on another promotion in the same area. (do nothing if your owner blocks you)</p><p> 3. "Trusted Companion" You gain the Loyalty of one of your roster (random roll from the list of your current roster).</p><p> 4. "Chance Encounter" While on holiday abroad you have befriended a wrestler and offered them a job (choose a wrestler in another regional area who is unemployed, make them active in your area and create a Strong Friendship between you and them)</p><p> 5. "Lean On Me" Gain Strong Friendship with random wrestler in your promotion. Any addictions from your character's and your new friend’s attributes are set to Former.</p><p> 6. "Master And Disciple” You can become the protégé of anyone 10 years or more older than you are (they must be on your roster) OR you can become the mentor of anyone 10 years or more younger than you (they must be on your roster). Randomly roll from anyone who is eligible.</p><p> 7. “That Loving Feeling…” Your love life has something happen. Move along the scale from left to right, starting a new relationship with someone appropriate (according to their own preferences) on your roster. Dating->Engaged->Married->Separated->Dating->… (use your own discretion if you need to work out if they are the parent of any children you may have. IF you are separated you may choose to start dating someone else, or start over again with them)</p><p> 8. "Where There’s A Will" One of your die hard fans has passed on bequeathing their worldly possessions to your promotion. Do you accept it or donate it to charity? Gain EITHER $56,609 or +5 Prestige</p><p> 9. "Keeping It In The Family" Create a younger sibling wrestler aged 17 (same 750 skill point split). If you are over 32 treat this as a son/daughter</p><p> 10. "Paging Dr Zahorian" Your owner thinks the roster looks a bit small. Hire a 'dirty doctor' using the backstage rules menu</p><p> 11. "A New Beginning" You may choose to evolve your wrestling style to anything you want.</p><p> 12. “LEGEN… wait for it… DARY!” Gain a Best Friend relationship with someone on your roster whose picture is of them wearing a suit. If no-one on your roster is wearing a suit, you must hire someone who wears a suit and become their Best Friend anyway then add the Drinker attribute.</p><p> 13. "Like A Chimney" Add "Smoker" to your characters addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Smoker" or "Former Smoker" if previously a Heavy Smoker.</p><p> 14. “P-A-R-T-why? Cos I Gotta!” Add "Soft Drug User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Soft Drug User" or "Former Soft Drug User" if previously a Heavy Soft Drug User.</p><p> 15. “UHHHHHHH, WHAT A RUSHHHHHHHH” Add "Hard Drug User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Hard Drug User" or "Former Hard Drug User" if previously a Heavy Hard Drug User.</p><p> 16. "Painkillers are mankind's way of saying 'just watch me'" Add "Pain Killer Abuser" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Pain Killer Abuser" or "Former Pain Killer Abuser" if previously a Heavy Pain Killer Abuser.</p><p> 17. "I told [WWE] to have Triple H pick me up in a limo, then we could go test together. They never asked again" Add "Steroid User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Steroid User" or "Former Steroid User" if previously a Heavy Steroid User.</p><p> 18. “I Fought The Law And The Law Won”* Add "Chequered Past" to your character's personality. If you have this already upgrade to "Often in Trouble" and if needed, "Most Wanted"</p><p> 19. "Genetically Challenged" Sometimes people ARE just big boned or just can't keep the weight on - you're one of them. Add either Fat Genes or Skinny Genes to your character</p><p> 20. "Tis just a Flesh Wound" Those bumps and injuries are really starting to add up, add either Troublesome Neck, Back, Shoulder or Knee to your character</p><p> 21. "My Only Addiction is Wrestling" Add "Straight Edge" to your character's addictions. Change any current addictions to Former. Future rolls that roll addictions will be lost (and unable to be rerolled)</p><p> 22. “Nose To The Grindstone” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 any Primary skill of your choice</p><p> 23. "Fists of Fury" You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Brawling skill</p><p> 24. “Feet of Fury” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Puroresu skill</p><p> 25. “Drunken Monkey Style” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Hardcore skill</p><p> 26. "Life of a Saint" You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Mat Wrestling skill</p><p> 27. “Link To The Past” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Chain Wrestling skill</p><p> 28. “Tap or Snap!” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Submissions skill</p><p> 29. "Top Rope Hero" You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Aerial skill</p><p> 30. “Flash, AAAHH!!” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Flashiness skill</p><p> 31. “Hit The Bricks” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the gym. +10 to spend on physical skills. (Athleticism, Toughness, Stamina, Power)</p><p> 32. "Chance to Train" You have been offered the chance to train with a Wrestling Legend. Gain +20 points to spend on any Fundamental skill. (Basics, Selling, Consistency, Safety & Psychology)</p><p> 33. “A Bumpy Ride” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Basics skill</p><p> 34. “So, Tell Me About Your Mother…” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Psychology skill</p><p> 35. “You Can Dance If You Wanna” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Safety skill</p><p> 36. “Solid? Liquid? Gas?” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Consistency skill</p><p> 37. “Snow To An Eskimo” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Selling skill</p><p> 38. “Casting Call" You have been cast in a small TV show, next stop Hollywood! +5 points to spend across Charisma and Acting. Also add TV Actor to Misc for your character. If previously your character had "TV Actor" add "Movie Star"</p><p> 39. "The Real Rock n' Rolla" You've filled in for a band member one night, who now wants to you tour with them as a result. +5 points to spend across Charisma and Microphone. Also add Musician to Misc for your character. If rolled 3 times upgrade to Famous Musician</p><p> 40. "As Real As It Gets" The World of Professional Fighting called you out and you delivered. Add +5 between Toughness and Menace. Add either MMA Fighter, Boxer or Pro Martial Artist to your character</p><p> 41. "Runaway Runway" Can't always be easy being a wrestler, at least you've got your modelling career to fall back on. +5 points to spend between Sex Appeal and Star Quality. Add Modelling Experience to your character</p><p> 42. “They Love Me… They Hate Me…" You have gotten better at making the fans cheer for you or boo you. Can increase either your Babyface or Heel Performance by one stage (Base -> Better -> Amazing etc.)</p><p> 43. "This here's what you call Domination" You've discovered a new found ability to Dominate, add "Plays Dominant Well" and “Squash Master” to your attributes</p><p> 44. “Super Awesome Wrestling-A-Go-Go: Electric Boogaloo” You are suddenly hilarious, add "Plays Comedy Well" and “Comedy worker” to your attributes</p><p> 45. “It’s Not Arrogance If You Can Back It Up” You've now got a bit of swagger in your step, add "Plays Swagger Well" and “Selfish Performer” to your attributes</p><p> 46. "Living the Gimmick" You are now comfortable playing a role and you know it takes time to build a story, add "Plays Gimmicky/Cartoonish Well" and “Slow and Steady” to your attributes</p><p> 47. "Fight Anyone" You never back down, add "Plays Badass Well" and “Dynamo” to your attributes</p><p> 48. “Train, Fight, Hurt People, Repeat” Everything you do looks like it hurts, add "Plays Legitimate Well" and “Explosive ring style” to your attributes</p><p> 49. "It's not the size of the dog, it's the size of the fight" You now like fighting from underneath, add "Plays Weasely/Underdog Well" and “Giving Performer” to your attributes</p><p> 50. "Grounded in Reality" You've discovered a new found ability to play Realistic gimmicks and prefer to have back up, add "Plays Realistic Well" and “Tag Team Specialist” to your attributes</p><p> 51. "He's got the whole world in his hands" You've discovered a new found ability to play Mysterious/Occult gimmicks, add "Plays Mysterious/Occult Well" and “High pain threshold” to your attributes</p><p> 52. "Marching to their own beat" You are now a few sandwiches short of a picnic, add "Plays Offbeat/Unstable Well" and “Scatter-brained” to your attributes</p><p> 53. "Step Into The Light" You get your 15 minutes of fame. +5 Pop across entire base country</p><p> 54. "Internet Sensation" One of your wrestlers (random roll from the list) has become an internet video hit due to a pirate recording of his last match. +2 pop for your company in every area that you already have popularity in and +10 pop for the wrestler in all areas</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Suggestions are obviously welcomed, especially around 22-30 which often end up being useless unless your pick corresponds to your wrestlers style.</p>

[awesomenessofme1]

#19 should either be split up or made random as to which one you get. Skinny Genes is a positive trait and Fat Genes is a negative trait. You probably assumed it made it harder to maintain a Muscular/Ripped body type, but the description says it actually makes it easier to achieve and maintain an impressive physique.

[Croquemitaine]

<p>#26 to #28 (the Technical skills) should be combined into one entry for 2020.</p><p> </p><p>

If you're looking to trim some to make room for fresher options, I'd ditch #11 (change wrestling style) as I don't believe it actually means anything in game (except for AI hiring which isn't relevant to user characters).</p><p> </p><p>

I have some other ideas but they're vague and would require heavier redesign.</p>