Road to Glory 2020 Discussion Thread

[Bad Collin]

#19 should either be split up or made random as to which one you get. Skinny Genes is a positive trait and Fat Genes is a negative trait. You probably assumed it made it harder to maintain a Muscular/Ripped body type, but the description says it actually makes it easier to achieve and maintain an impressive physique.

 

I didn't assume that but I couldn't decide what to do with #19. I think a 50/50 chance is fair with this one.

[Bad Collin]

#26 to #28 (the Technical skills) should be combined into one entry for 2020.

 

If you're looking to trim some to make room for fresher options, I'd ditch #11 (change wrestling style) as I don't believe it actually means anything in game (except for AI hiring which isn't relevant to user characters).

 

I have some other ideas but they're vague and would require heavier redesign.

 

Great spot with the technical skills.

 

Also with #11, I checked the handbook and it makes no difference to match performance.

 

I'd really like something interesting for numbers 22 to 30, I always hated getting a boost to brawling if I was a high flier. One idea I had was to add the option of adding a small number of points to the primary skill of your choice:

 

23. "Fists of Fury" You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Brawling skill or +2 to any other primary skill.

[Croquemitaine]

I think the temporary boost attributes (hot new move, etc...) would make great entries for this table.

[Peppermint Rage]

clarification on the face/heel attributes idea, all of them, from how I understand their descriptions in game they don't offer any bonuses to the chosen disposition, (that would be left to the amazing face/heel attributes) with that said, if I understand these correctly why pick any of these if they offer no bonus, If you need to pick one why pick 100% as it it is a bigger penalty.

[Jaded]

 

I have some other ideas but they're vague and would require heavier redesign.

 

I mean, now is the time to share them if you want help making them less vague.

 

LOVE the temporary attributes idea in your other post, btw - they should definitely go in!

[Bad Collin]

Two days to go!!

 

I added in the temporary attributes, they are going to work really well as a mystery box item.

 

clarification on the face/heel attributes idea, all of them, from how I understand their descriptions in game they don't offer any bonuses to the chosen disposition, (that would be left to the amazing face/heel attributes) with that said, if I understand these correctly why pick any of these if they offer no bonus, If you need to pick one why pick 100% as it it is a bigger penalty.

 

Are you referring to #42? I'm not sure if "Better as a heel" adds a penalty to playing a babyface but even if it does not all of the these rolls are meant to be positive. Sometime you are going to get one that sucks.

[Bad Collin]

Here's the latest list

 

1. "Friends with Benefits" You gain one Working Agreement (you may try a different company if you are rejected) OR you can join an existing Alliance (assuming they let you in) OR you may invite another company to join your alliance (you may try a different company if you are rejected).

2. "War is Good for Business" Your owner demands you declare war on another promotion in the same area. (do nothing if your owner blocks you)

3. "Trusted Companion" You gain the Loyalty of one of your roster (random roll from the list of your current roster).

4. "Chance Encounter" While on holiday abroad you have befriended a wrestler and offered them a job (choose a wrestler in another regional area who is unemployed, make them active in your area and create a Strong Friendship between you and them)

5. "Lean On Me" Gain Strong Friendship with random wrestler in your promotion. Any addictions from your character's and your new friend’s attributes are set to Former.

6. "Master And Disciple” You can become the protégé of anyone 10 years or more older than you are (they must be on your roster) OR you can become the mentor of anyone 10 years or more younger than you (they must be on your roster). Randomly roll from anyone who is eligible.

7. “That Loving Feeling…” Your love life has something happen. Move along the scale from left to right, starting a new relationship with someone appropriate (according to their own preferences) on your roster. Dating->Engaged->Married->Separated->Dating->… (use your own discretion if you need to work out if they are the parent of any children you may have. IF you are separated you may choose to start dating someone else, or start over again with them)

8. "Where There’s A Will" One of your die hard fans has passed on bequeathing their worldly possessions to your promotion. Do you accept it or donate it to charity? Gain EITHER $56,609 or +5 Prestige

9. "Keeping It In The Family" Create a younger sibling wrestler aged 17 (same 750 skill point split). If you are over 32 treat this as a son/daughter

10. "Paging Dr Zahorian" Your owner thinks the roster looks a bit small. Hire a 'dirty doctor' using the backstage rules menu

11. “LEGEN… wait for it… DARY!” Gain a Best Friend relationship with someone on your roster whose picture is of them wearing a suit. If no-one on your roster is wearing a suit, you must hire someone who wears a suit and become their Best Friend anyway then add the Drinker attribute.

12. "Like A Chimney" Add "Smoker" to your characters addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Smoker" or "Former Smoker" if previously a Heavy Smoker.

13. “P-A-R-T-why? Cos I Gotta!” Add "Soft Drug User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Soft Drug User" or "Former Soft Drug User" if previously a Heavy Soft Drug User.

14. “UHHHHHHH, WHAT A RUSHHHHHHHH” Add "Hard Drug User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Hard Drug User" or "Former Hard Drug User" if previously a Heavy Hard Drug User.

15. "Painkillers are mankind's way of saying 'just watch me'" Add "Pain Killer Abuser" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Pain Killer Abuser" or "Former Pain Killer Abuser" if previously a Heavy Pain Killer Abuser.

16. "I told [WWE] to have Triple H pick me up in a limo, then we could go test together. They never asked again" Add "Steroid User" to your character’s addictions. If you have this already then upgrade to "Heavy Steroid User" or "Former Steroid User" if previously a Heavy Steroid User.

17. “I Fought The Law And The Law Won”* Add "Chequered Past" to your character's personality. If you have this already upgrade to "Often in Trouble" and if needed, "Most Wanted"

18. "Genetically Challenged" Sometimes people ARE just big boned or just can't keep the weight on - you're one of them. Randomly roll and add either the ‘Fat Genes’ or ‘Skinny Genes’ attribute to your character

19. "Tis just a Flesh Wound" Those bumps and injuries are really starting to add up, add either Troublesome Neck, Back, Shoulder or Knee to your character

20. "My Only Addiction is Wrestling" Add "Straight Edge" to your character's addictions. Change any current addictions to Former. Future rolls that roll addictions will be lost (and unable to be rerolled)

21. “Nose To The Grindstone” You have devoted yourself to training in the ring +5 any Primary skill of your choice

22. "Fists and Feet of Fury" Heavy bag, speed bag, heavy bag, speed bag…you’ve been working hard, +5 to your Brawling, Puroresu or Hardcore skill

23. "The Man of 1004 holds!" You got stretched by a technical master, +5 to your Technical skill

24. “Aerial Assassin” You have devoted yourself to climbing that turnbuckle, +5 to your Aerial or Flashiness skill

25. “Innovator of Violence” You’ve invented a new move and it’s the talk of the industry, add “Hot New Move” to your attributes

26. “If you smeeeeeeeeeeelll!!” That new catchphrase of yours has really caught on, you heard someone in the street say it! Add “Hot New Catchphrase” to your attributes

27. “RTGdow” Everyone is in the industry is talking about your recent performances, add “Flavour of the Month” to your attributes

28. “I lost my smile” You are going through a tough time, add “Personal Issues” to your attributes

29. “The RTG Movement” The fans love you, Yes! Yes! Yes!, add “Groundswell of support” to your attributes

30. “Golden boy” You can’t put a foot wrong in the ring at the moment, add “Midas Touch” to your attributes

31. “Hit The Bricks” You live in the gym. +10 to spend on physical skills. (Athleticism, Toughness, Stamina, Power)

32. "Chance to Train" You have been offered the chance to train with a Wrestling Legend. Gain +20 points to spend on any Fundamental skill. (Basics, Selling, Consistency, Safety & Psychology)

33. “A Bumpy Ride” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Basics skill

34. “So, Tell Me About Your Mother…” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Psychology skill

35. “You Can Dance If You Wanna” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Safety skill

36. “Solid? Liquid? Gas?” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Consistency skill

37. “Snow To An Eskimo” You have devoted your holiday season to training in the ring +5 to your Selling skill

38. “Casting Call" You have been cast in a small TV show, next stop Hollywood! +5 points to spend across Charisma and Acting. Also add TV Actor to Misc for your character. If previously your character had "TV Actor" add "Movie Star"

39. "The Real Rock n' Rolla" You've filled in for a band member one night, who now wants to you tour with them as a result. +5 points to spend across Charisma and Microphone. Also add Musician to Misc for your character. If rolled 3 times upgrade to Famous Musician

40. "As Real As It Gets" The World of Professional Fighting called you out and you delivered. Add +5 between Toughness and Menace. Add either MMA Fighter, Boxer or Pro Martial Artist to your character

41. "Runaway Runway" Can't always be easy being a wrestler, at least you've got your modelling career to fall back on. +5 points to spend between Sex Appeal and Star Quality. Add Modelling Experience to your character

42. “They Love Me… They Hate Me…" You have gotten better at making the fans cheer for you or boo you. Can increase either your Babyface or Heel Performance by one stage (Base -> Better -> Amazing etc.)

43. "This here's what you call Domination" You've discovered a new found ability to Dominate, add "Plays Dominant Well" and “Squash Master” to your attributes

44. “Super Awesome Wrestling-A-Go-Go: Electric Boogaloo” You are suddenly hilarious, add "Plays Comedy Well" and “Comedy worker” to your attributes

45. “It’s Not Arrogance If You Can Back It Up” You've now got a bit of swagger in your step, add "Plays Swagger Well" and “Selfish Performer” to your attributes

46. "Living the Gimmick" You are now comfortable playing a role and you know it takes time to build a story, add "Plays Gimmicky/Cartoonish Well" and “Slow and Steady” to your attributes

47. "Fight Anyone" You never back down, add "Plays Badass Well" and “Dynamo” to your attributes

48. “Train, Fight, Hurt People, Repeat” Everything you do looks like it hurts, add "Plays Legitimate Well" and “Explosive ring style” to your attributes

49. "It's not the size of the dog, it's the size of the fight" You now like fighting from underneath, add "Plays Weasely/Underdog Well" and “Giving Performer” to your attributes

50. "Grounded in Reality" You've discovered a new found ability to play Realistic gimmicks and prefer to have back up, add "Plays Realistic Well" and “Tag Team Specialist” to your attributes

51. "He's got the whole world in his hands" You've discovered a new found ability to play Mysterious/Occult gimmicks, add "Plays Mysterious/Occult Well" and “High pain threshold” to your attributes

52. "Marching to their own beat" You are now a few sandwiches short of a picnic, add "Plays Offbeat/Unstable Well" and “Scatter-brained” to their attribute

53. "Step Into The Light" You get your 15 minutes of fame. +5 Pop across entire base country

54. "Internet Sensation" One of your wrestlers (random roll from the list) has become an internet video hit due to a pirate recording of his last match. +2 pop for your company in every area that you already have popularity in and +10 pop for the wrestler in all areas

[Peppermint Rage]

Two days to go!!

 

I added in the temporary attributes, they are going to work really well as a mystery box item.

 

 

 

Are you referring to #42? I'm not sure if "Better as a heel" adds a penalty to playing a babyface but even if it does not all of the these rolls are meant to be positive. Sometime you are going to get one that sucks.

 

was more referring to character creation.

[Bad Collin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jameschaos" data-cite="jameschaos" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>was more referring to character creation.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> OK, I understand. The plan at the moment is for no attributes to be added at the start and see where the mystery box takes our characters.</p>

[Jaded]

Just as a heads-up, a bunch of testing shows that Wrestleworld will make a significant difference to wage requests from people in other feds who have deals on it, as they'll get over enough to raise their average overness. This WON'T affect people you already have signed - at least not especially quickly, unless they have certain personality types they seem fairly slow to ask for a raise - but will at least spread the wages out a little from March onwards, making it more realistic/challenging. (Or later if you're playing outside North America, anyway.)

[Bad Collin]

Huge change from the latest patch:

 

Made it so that workers who aren't being paid monthly and who are not local will require travel expenses to be covered, by request

 

This is a gamechanger for our 0/0/0/1000 promotions. Bret Heartbreak now costs $498 instead of $30

[Jama7301]

Kind of a late post, but something about character creation for this game seems ripe for poaching like, Shadowrun's character building. The way they do it is you have a bunch of build points, and you spend them on your attributes, naturally, but you can also opt to spend points on the equivalent of Attributes for other, non-standard perks. If a table could be made, you could still keep Prodigy and other traits, in exchange for tanking your base skills. It'd be more work to assign a point value to each Attribute, but it may be a way for a starting character to have something special, if they're willing to sacrifice some of their stats for it.

[awesomenessofme1]

Huge change from the latest patch:

 

 

 

This is a gamechanger for our 0/0/0/1000 promotions. Bret Heartbreak now costs $498 instead of $30

 

Where are you getting that number from? Should only be $230.

[Don Hughes]

Huge change from the latest patch:

 

 

 

This is a gamechanger for our 0/0/0/1000 promotions. Bret Heartbreak now costs $498 instead of $30

 

I kinda like that change... a bit more realistic.

[Bad Collin]

Where are you getting that number from? Should only be $230.

 

I had accidentally included the road agent cost. I tested again and it was $130 which is correct from Europe to Britain

[Bad Collin]

I kinda like that change... a bit more realistic.

 

I love the change but not using Heartbreak would involve a re-write of my plans. I think i'll just absorb the extra $100 though.

[Bad Collin]

<p>Any final thoughts on skills? I'm proposing the following rules for character creation:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47775" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">CHARACTER STATS</span></strong><p> </p><p> Age: 18 (If playing the default Cornellverse your birthday should fall between January 2001 and December 2001)</p><p> </p><p> Reputation: Lowest</p><p> Potential: Excellent in all categories or random if you wish.</p><p> </p><p> You can allocate your skills one of two ways:</p><p> </p><p> <strong>1. Allocate 750 skill points</strong></p><p> </p><p> Skills: Your character starts with Resilience 100, Reputation 50, Experience 0 and Respect 0.</p><p> You have 750 Points to spend on other skills. (No skill may exceed 75 to begin with)</p><p> </p><p> <strong>2. Using the Quick Skill Creation tool </strong></p><p> </p><p> Use the following settings:</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Top Row Left</strong> - Set to 'trainee'</p><p> <strong>Top Row Middle</strong> - Pick from Brawler, Technician, High Flier, Spot Monkey or Hardcore Brawler</p><p> <strong>Top Row Right</strong> - Set to 'Whose skills are average'</p><p> <strong>Bottom Row Left</strong> - Set to 'of average athleticism'</p><p> <strong>Bottom Row Middle</strong> - Set to 'Somewhat entertaining'</p><p> <strong>Bottom Row Right</strong> - Set to 'Who looks like a star'</p><p> </p><p> Then click 'create'. Just should just click this once, if you are unhappy with your stats after the first click then you can create your character using method 1.</p><p> </p><p> Then make the following changes:</p><p> </p><p> - No skill should be higher than 75 (except resilience). If any stat is above 75 then change it to 75</p><p> - Set Resilience to 100</p><p> - Set Reputation to 50</p><p> - Set Respect to 0</p><p> - Move points between Sex Appeal and Menace if you wish</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Attributes:</strong></p><p> </p><p> Don't set any attributes, these will be added via mystery boxes as the game progresses.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>Popularity</strong>: </p><p> </p><p> Set to 0 everywhere, you are starting from the bottom here.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote>

[awesomenessofme1]

I don't know about the attribute rule. Considering that you only get one roll per year, and only about half of those are permanent attributes, not being able to start with any seems overly harsh. Maybe just a few basic options? For example:

 

Face/Heel Performance: Either no attribute or 100% Face/Heel plus Amazing Face/Heel

Gimmick Performance: Pick up to three gimmick types to be good at and an equal number of types to be bad at.

Misc: Any attribute that is entirely related to the AI (stuff like Daredevil, Money Motivated, etc) or otherwise has no effect on gameplay (stuff like Heavy Social Media User) can be taken for roleplaying or flavor reasons.

[Jon The GOAT]

I'm looking forward to starting with those settings. Not falling in love with any company so doesn't seem like a bad idea. Curious to see what the dominant scheduling will be. In '16 I went as realistic as I could and had monthly shows at most, only increasing my schedule when I began making a profit & focusing exclusively on cheap hires.

 

This time around there are pre-made scheduling options so I'll probably go with Constant and just keep that till the end of the challenge, renaming events as I go.

[moafnsteel]

Any final thoughts on skills? I'm proposing the following rules for character creation:

 

This all looks good, but I think we should be able to pick like a better at babyface or heel, and at least one attribute about being good (and maybe bad) at a certain gimmick.

[Bad Collin]

I don't know about the attribute rule. Considering that you only get one roll per year, and only about half of those are permanent attributes, not being able to start with any seems overly harsh. Maybe just a few basic options? For example:

 

Face/Heel Performance: Either no attribute or 100% Face/Heel plus Amazing Face/Heel

Gimmick Performance: Pick up to three gimmick types to be good at and an equal number of types to be bad at.

Misc: Any attribute that is entirely related to the AI (stuff like Daredevil, Money Motivated, etc) or otherwise has no effect on gameplay (stuff like Heavy Social Media User) can be taken for roleplaying or flavor reasons.

 

They'll be extra rolls this year for achievements. I think letting people choose amazing heel or babyface from the start might be OP as these directly impact segment performance.

 

 

I'm looking forward to starting with those settings. Not falling in love with any company so doesn't seem like a bad idea. Curious to see what the dominant scheduling will be. In '16 I went as realistic as I could and had monthly shows at most, only increasing my schedule when I began making a profit & focusing exclusively on cheap hires.

 

This time around there are pre-made scheduling options so I'll probably go with Constant and just keep that till the end of the challenge, renaming events as I go.

 

I think weekly shows from the start are going to be necessary until popularity and sponsorship picks up.

[Jaded]

They'll be extra rolls this year for achievements. I think letting people choose amazing heel or babyface from the start might be OP as these directly impact segment performance.

 

 

I was about to say something about needing more attributes, but if there are extra rolls, that sounds cool. Definitely agree starting with amazing heel or face is OP!

[awesomenessofme1]

I said that under the assumption that 100% Face/Heel doesn't give you any bonuses. The description doesn't mention any, but it probably does now that I think about it. My point is that I think we should be able to start with at least some customization in face/heel and gimmick performance. Otherwise it feels like a step back from 2016.

[Bad Collin]

I said that under the assumption that 100% Face/Heel doesn't give you any bonuses. The description doesn't mention any, but it probably does now that I think about it. My point is that I think we should be able to start with at least some customization in face/heel and gimmick performance. Otherwise it feels like a step back from 2016.

 

I think 100% gives penalties. Better as.. seems to give a bonus to segments if you are the correct disposition.

[awesomenessofme1]

I think 100% gives penalties. Better as.. seems to give a bonus to segments if you are the correct disposition.

 

100% and Better As... are mutually exclusive, so I'd think 100% would also have to give bonuses if you're the correct disposition, right? Otherwise it's strictly worse than just not having an attribute at all.