Snakebite180 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I just wanna thank each and everyone of you that have helped out during this process. I am very happy where the game stands. It's more than playable. I have been putting In 10 hour days trying to make this mod amazing. I am still going to be fixing things. But I am very happy with where things are. We thank you mate!!! thanks for the effort and the hours, great era for wrestling IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachBraff Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Just a couple things. - Dish Network got assigned as a broadcaster to TNA and WWE but that conflicts with their other US broadcasters, which creates the 0/low viewers issue. Also I can't remember the time period exactly, but I know around this time WWE was in a dispute with Dish, which might be why the original data had WWE with Time Warner. - TNA still has monthly PPV events which didn't exist until late 2004. - This isn't really a mod problem, but it's worth mentioning for anyone playing it. Match types with the "Weapons" set up seem to get penalized pretty hard. I did the last man standing between HHH/HBK and it still got a decent rating, but only because their performances were in the high 90s. I can't remember exactly what the final rating was, but it was in the low to mid 80s. Tables set up doesn't seem to have a penalty, but I haven't tested the Ladder or Cage set ups. It sucks because I find the product system interesting, but it's clearly flawed at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasicThuganomics Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Thank you for removing Sting as a starting member of the TNA roster! It's so much more interesting to me that he isn't signed from the get-go, now TNA have a good goal in getting big enough to sign him. Makes a TNA save a lot more interesting not having an obvious big star. There's a few pop quirks still though but I think Snakebite nailed most of them. Keep up the awesome work, MrVillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachBraff Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Ran a Royal Rumble sim with Dish Network as the USA broadcaster and got 1.6 million buys, so you might want to fiddle with them if you're going to keep them over Time Warner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrVillain Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Just a couple things. - Dish Network got assigned as a broadcaster to TNA and WWE but that conflicts with their other US broadcasters, which creates the 0/low viewers issue. Also I can't remember the time period exactly, but I know around this time WWE was in a dispute with Dish, which might be why the original data had WWE with Time Warner. - TNA still has monthly PPV events which didn't exist until late 2004. - This isn't really a mod problem, but it's worth mentioning for anyone playing it. Match types with the "Weapons" set up seem to get penalized pretty hard. I did the last man standing between HHH/HBK and it still got a decent rating, but only because their performances were in the high 90s. I can't remember exactly what the final rating was, but it was in the low to mid 80s. Tables set up doesn't seem to have a penalty, but I haven't tested the Ladder or Cage set ups. It sucks because I find the product system interesting, but it's clearly flawed at the moment. Fixed the WWE/Dish. TNA has all their annual PPVs still cause there is an option for them to start in certain months and years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrVillain Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Thank you for removing Sting as a starting member of the TNA roster! It's so much more interesting to me that he isn't signed from the get-go, now TNA have a good goal in getting big enough to sign him. Makes a TNA save a lot more interesting not having an obvious big star. There's a few pop quirks still though but I think Snakebite nailed most of them. Keep up the awesome work, MrVillian If you have suggestions for popularity let me know. Like I said, I didn't set the pop, iDOL did. So o don't know what some guys are set at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolized Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Thank you for removing Sting as a starting member of the TNA roster! It's so much more interesting to me that he isn't signed from the get-go, now TNA have a good goal in getting big enough to sign him. Makes a TNA save a lot more interesting not having an obvious big star. There's a few pop quirks still though but I think Snakebite nailed most of them. Keep up the awesome work, MrVillian Sting was signed by January though. His debut and feud with Jarrett was happening in December. Not really sure why it makes sense to get rid of him, especially if you are going to be playing as TNA and want your roster true to life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrVillain Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Sting was signed by January though. His debut and feud with Jarrett was already being teased in December. Not really sure why it makes sense to get rid of him, especially if you are going to be playing as TNA and want your roster true to life. I thought Sting was with TNA around that time as well...but I changed it cause a few people said he wasn't. So I don't know lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshspicer Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Sting was with TNA in 2003/early 2004 for a few appearances and a DVD documentary. He officially signed as a full-time wrestler in late 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachBraff Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Fixed the WWE/Dish. TNA has all their annual PPVs still cause there is an option for them to start in certain months and years. Oh, okay. Well in the sim I ran, they ran both the January and February PPVs, so you might have to check the settings for that. As for Sting, if he competed in December 2003 and then March 2004, it's possible he still had a pay per appearance contract in January 2004. However, he definitely became full time at the end of 2005, so I can see both points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrVillain Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ZachBraff" data-cite="ZachBraff" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48346" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh, okay. Well in the sim I ran, they ran both the January and February PPVs, so you might have to check the settings for that.<p> </p><p> As for Sting, if he competed in December 2003 and then March 2004, it's possible he still had a pay per appearance contract in January 2004. However, he definitely became full time at the end of 2005, so I can see both points.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'll take a look and run some tests to see what happens. </p><p> </p><p> The Sting debate can go either way to be honest. I'll leave it how it is right now and anyone can enter their editor and give him a contract with TNA.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolized Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I watched the whole month of TNA on PPV leading up to the start date of the mod when I set the rosters. Yes, he was already with TNA at that point, even if only for a few appearances. On the 12/10/03 NWA TNA on PPV, Jarrett refused to defend the NWA Title against AJ Styles or D'Lo Brown and Erik Watts booked him in a match against Sting and on 12/17/03 Sting wrestled Jarrett on PPV. NWA TNA on PPV 12/10/03 Heels are arguing as Kash explains to Jarrett how Piper hit him, then Jarrett yells at Callis, and Erik Watts is in the crowd. He makes Jarrett put the title on the line, and Jarrett says he won’t defend against D’Lo or AJ, so Watts makes it against Sting! Jarrett insists it won’t be a title match, and Watts has moved to the top of his victims list. Heel beatdown on Watts in the crowd to take us out. NWA TNA on PPV 12/17/03 Non-title match: Sting vs. Jeff Jarrett ©: Jarrett jumps outside and stalls with Callis. Sting begging Jarrett into the ring, Jarrett refusing to get in. Sting goes to the floor, and Jarrett and Callis take off. Callis bolts, Jarrett runs to the ring as Sting gives a few “WOOOS” in the crowd. Jarrett and Sting meet in the crowd, and Sting takes control with a quick trashcan shot. Jarrett runs to the back as Sting goes basck to the ring. Sting goes back into the crowd, and Jarrett catches him with a couple of chairshots. Jarrett rams Sting into the wall. Jarrett and Sting going up into the balcony. Sting makes a comeback with a couple of boots and face rakes. Sting drops Jarrett on the steel balcony railing, then rams Jarrett’s head into a metal wall. Jarrett and Sting fighting down the starts and past the cage dancer. Jarrett goes for a suplex, but Sting reverses it. Jarrett into the guardrail, as Sting and Jarrett still have yet to be in the ring at the same time. Sting rams Jarrett on the announce table, then gives him a chairshot. Sting stalks Callis briefly, and we finally have both men in the ring. Jarrett goes low on a Sting leapfrog, and I’m not sure that was a planned spot. Jarrett rams Sting’s head into the turnbuckle. Fistdrop by Jarrett. Sting ducks two clotheslines, Sting and Jarrett collide, and Sting, doing the sell, falls headfirst into Jarrett’s crotch. And we’ve got your double knockout spot. Sting does the I-block-your-punch-then-punch you thing, then gets a face crusher, then a Stinger Splash. Scorpion Deathlock? YES! And it’s in the middle of the ring, but the Redshirts interfere, allowing Kid Kash to slip a guitar to Jarrett. AMW takes out the Redshirts, and AJ Styles keeps Jarrett from using the guitar and Stunners him on the top rope. Jarrett stumbles into a Scorpion Deathdrop for the win! WINNER: Sting. Jarrett has a hairy conniption post-match, going after everyone from the ref to the fans to the fatass timekeeper. Jarrett starts arguing with Tenay, and they start shoving until Don West, the ref and Callis pull them apart. As someone who likes to play as true to life as possible, having correct rosters is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite180 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Sting had a four appearance deal with TNA, he had three appearances in 2003 and his first al on 2004 March! I guess there is an argument here. Do you put Sting on a 1 appearance deal for TNA or leave him off the roster. I personally would leave him off the roster and allow people to negotiate/edit the sting deal as they see fitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrVillain Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 I watched the whole month of TNA on PPV leading up to the start date of the mod when I set the rosters. Yes, he was already with TNA at that point, even if only for a few appearances. On the 12/10/03 NWA TNA on PPV, Jarrett refused to defend the NWA Title against AJ Styles or D'Lo Brown and Erik Watts booked him in a match against Sting and on 12/17/03 Sting wrestled Jarrett on PPV. NWA TNA on PPV 12/10/03 NWA TNA on PPV 12/17/03 As someone who likes to play as true to life as possible, having correct rosters is important. I get what you're saying, but idk if that would make him have a written contract with TNA.. It can honestly go either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean-vic Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Give him a contract that is set to expire after the PPV and people can either resign him or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrVillain Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Give him a contract that is set to expire after the PPV and people can either resign him or not. I'll do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite180 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 The ppvs are every week? If you give him a contract til the March ppv then AI will book him every show and will not be a true reflection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolized Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 He was on the roster though, be it one appearance or 20 on his contract in real life, I’d rather play a mod that reflect who was on the roster at the starting point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite180 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Would have to disagree. It’s like saying Hogan was on the roster from 2003-2010 because he appeared on a TNA programme in 2003 then in 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolized Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 That was a video package shot in NJPW, nowhere close to the same <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite180 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Glad you liked that one. I guess the choice is down to the end user. It would definitely make things easier if your booking as TNA having Sting on a contract at that early stage of its existence... would make me feel a bit dirty and cheap but that’s just me. Playing as anyone but TNA itd be just weird seeing Sting getting booked weekly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nickman Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Hi all, just want to start off saying you're all doing an absolutely FANTASTIC job with this mod, MrVillian in particular is really putting in the hard yards. I've downloaded and messed around with this a few times over the last couple of works, but am wondering what everybody's thoughts are for the suitability for this mod now to start a long(er) term save? Is it ready to go or do people feel I should hold off a bit longer for some more tweaking to occur? (Just FTR, I want to play a long-term WWE "Raw vs Smackdown!" save where I delete both Heat and Velocity and just want to focus on the two major brands) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolized Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Glad you liked that one. I guess the choice is down to the end user. It would definitely make things easier if your booking as TNA having Sting on a contract at that early stage of its existence... would make me feel a bit dirty and cheap but that’s just me. Playing as anyone but TNA itd be just weird seeing Sting getting booked weekly. Dirty and cheap? The company legit was using him on their shows! Don’t cheat the system and use him as a special attraction just like they did in real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite180 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Idolized" data-cite="Idolized" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48346" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Dirty and cheap? The company legit was using him on their shows! Don’t cheat the system and use him as a special attraction just like they did in real life.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Four appearance deal... look it up.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nickman Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Just weighing in on this debate, it sounds to me like Sting should have a three month TNA contact and it can be up to the player (either human <strong>OR </strong>AI) to decide how to use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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