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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49441" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But it makes sense. Whoever heard of a 5 star squash match?</div></blockquote><p> Subjective. I had not watched wrestling in years, but checked out the PPV where Goldberg returned because, you know, old school fan. He squashed Lesnar in a matter of seconds. It was the best match on the card. Context: it was unexpected, so it got a positive reaction out of me. More than I can for wrestling matches in general these days.</p>
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It's my understanding that the penalties aren't too steep, or anything, but yes, they are set in stone, there's nothing you can do about them, and they are completely arbitrary with absolutely no context tied to them. They just exist, no matter what you do.
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It's good to remember that all the stuff that is obvious for all of us old, experienced members and players isn't all that apparent for newcomers. For someone that is new, TEW games have quite the learning curve. It's not like all the info is readily available in one place.
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Come on, people. No need to be so unfriendly.
I think the confusion here is that the game wasn't really designed with real world mods in mind, and what I mean by that is, they're not official. The official game world is the one that comes with the game. The mods are all fan made, and highly subjective. Also, most, if not all, of the mods available right now are simply conversions of 2016 mods, and they have lots of balancing issues because they were originally made for the 2016 version of the game.
It's gonna be a while since polished real world mods will be available. But even then, like I said, they're always very subjective, and personally I always disagree with real world mods, which is why I always make my own.
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Yes yes, that's what I mean. At least with 2020 all you need to do is type in "Repo" then you won't need to worry about them entering the name as (The Repo Man) vs (Repo Man)
(The Undertaker) vs (Undertaker)
(The Ultimate Warrior) vs (Ultimate Warrior) vs (Warrior)
mods obviously have different ways to input some guys. I think a 98 mod has Ultimate Warrior as just Warrior. Then 1990 mod has him as Ultimate (Warrior) So at least with 2020 I can just type in (Warrior) & get every picture with that word listed in it.
That's literally the only good praise I can give the new style. A slightly simpler way to find all pictures with a certain word.
Too bad that after you find the pictures, you then need to click on each one.
Another case of one step forward, 2 steps backwards in 2020.
Ah. Yea. Tha's fair. That's good for people who play other people's mods, which is the majority, yea. I've always, since TEW 2004, exclusively played my own mods, and I've also used the very same picture folder since 2004, so I have everything memorized after using the same folder for 16 years, hah. But yea, this is why I didn't put myself in the shoes of those who play other people's mods. So yea, that can be a benefit.
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Like looking for Barry Darsow since he could be like 2 or 3 different gimmick names. Then again, who in the heck is looking for Barry Darsow anyways? Nobody... Nobody is looking for Barry Darsow. But my point still stands!
In 2016, you can just type in "The Repo Man", and if you don't find what you're looking for, tap the down arrow once and type in "Barry Darsow", etc. etc.
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I do this as well. The bonus here is the search feature. Want to use MALE137.jpg? Search 137 and bam, easy find.
Yea, but like. I don't get it tbh. In TEW 2016, let's say I'm creating Shawn Michaels in the editor. I click on the picture to open the picture folder, as soon as I open it, the list is active, so I just type in "Shaw" or something similar on my keyboard, and I'm pretty much immediately at the top of the list of my Shawn Michaels photos. And if I'm looking for a specific one, I can just type in the full name of the file, "Shawn Michaels 73". So it hasn't really dawned on me what the benefit of the new search function actually is since in 2016 I always just used my keyboard anyway. The bonus being that I could also just scroll up and down once I arrived at the top of the list. No matter how you slice it, it's slower in 2020.
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The simple (if somewhat inconvenient) solution to that particular problem is: Just look at them through your regular file explorer.
This is what I ended up doing, as well. It's not optimal, but it's better than individually clicking through 300 pictures to find the right one for a worker, hah.
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Ye, I'm pretty sure Adam said he will add mouse and keyboard support, but it won't be possible for all lists in the game.
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Depends on what "certain changes/adds" you're talking about. There were 58 post-beta patches for TEW2016, and Adam has been very clear that at the least, new products and attributes will be added post-release, so there will definitely be some stuff. But anything totally game changing... well, to be honest, except for the UI, there hasn't been any truly game-changing single features to be added even in the beta, so that ship has long sailed.
The UI obviously is a big thing, I don't want to discredit that at all.
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Adam still didn't say if it's comming out tomorrow. Let's wait.
I wasn't interested in when it's coming out, I was interested in whether or not certain changes/adds would make it into the game. I could easily wait a year, no problem.
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Now that the last patch has been released, I wonder if the game is done. Sans the new UI, which will be put in tomorrow. As in, are all features and changes now in? Do we now have the game that we will have? And things that haven't made the cut, won't make the cut?
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Doesn't the game think most of those are squash matches?
They are.
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Yea, I think, in this scenario, Carelessness could be its own attribute.
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Maybe get rid of Safety, and have it sort of merged in with Basics? To me, that's a big part of Basics; it's knowing how to bump right, and how to protect both yourself and your opponent.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="D-Lyrium" data-cite="D-Lyrium" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49382" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To be fair, Donner's said "typical match", not "niche edge case"...<p> </p><p> The majority of matches are going to be in the 10-15 minute range for the majority of products.</p><p> </p><p> Maybe setting the default yourself via the product screen (like you can with scripted/call in ring and grade calculations) would be a good compromise.</p></div></blockquote><p> Yea, I meant as in "typical for the era I usually play as". Since most of the matches I book in a year are TV matches, the typical match for me is in the 2-3 minute range. But yea, your point is fair. I'd love the ability to set a default, though, ye.</p>
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It's a limitation of the programming language used.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Donners" data-cite="Donners" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49382" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I find that a default of 15 saves a lot of clicks - 15 is a lot closer to the typical match than 0.</div></blockquote><p> This really depends. I mostly play stuff like early 90s, and TV matches are 2-3 minutes.</p>
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How are people angry at a one day delay lmao. If anything it not being pushed back even further for an overhaul is the bigger disappointment
Same, I'd be happy to wait until 2021 if it meant stuff like custom products and a few UI overhauls (that haven't been announced yet, or can be seen in the screenshots). And I don't even hate the idea of pre-set products, I just don't agree with how they've been implemented.
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Are you decided to buy the game teemu
I'll have a look at how the game is once it's finished, but it's still looking like a no. I'll try to muster through a full three month save with the final version of the trial and see how I feel. But there's still stuff I'm hoping to see in the patch notes. If not, then oh well. It's not even a huge deal, given how much I actually enjoy 2016, still.
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It's completely beyond me how people complain about release dates being rescheduled when it's obvious that it's only for the benefit of the game. I'd rather have a game that is enjoyable and playable from the start than one that's a buggy mess (or, in this case, borderline impossible to use due to UI and UX design).
Big agree. And judging by the screenshots, the UI is going to be a giant leap forward. So, in the end, the experience will be better. Not looking to start a fight, however.
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I believe Shigeru's quote is from a time when games were released on cartridge, and couldn't be patched via the internet. So it's a bit different. There were some revisions and 1.1. cartridge releases for games back then, but obviously it's not the same, and couldn't be done on the same scale.
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<p>I'm not here to really start an argument, or anything. Wrestling is subjective, we all have our views. If I were to make this game, I wouldn't use the Products system at all since I feel like it's not really how wrestling works, but it is how the game works. I may one day make a suggestion of the broader idea I have.</p><p> </p><p>
I just don't really believe in this concept of a "100 match" in the sense of it needing to be a certain kind of match with a certain length and certain things happening in it. Wrestling is not real, it is an entirely subjective art form, and ultimately, the only real, objective goal of a wrestling match is to draw money. It's to evoke an emotional response, which leads to you getting invested in what is being presented to you - so that you keep spending money on it.</p><p> </p><p>
The best match ever is simply the match that draws the most money. Objectively. Be it a minute, five, ten, or more. Now, subjectively, we all have our views. My favorite match ever is Owen and Bret from SummerSlam 1994 simply because I saw it knowing the result, but the match made me question whether or not I remembered correctly. That's how strong the storytelling was.</p><p> </p><p>
It just doesn't mean that, objectively, the best wrestling match ever is 30 minutes inside a steel cage with those exact spots that took place. But anyhoo. I've just always rejected the idea that there is an objective way to create a "five star wrestling match". It depends on context, expectations, the story, just everything.</p><p> </p><p>
But I also recognize that I have a vastly different way of looking at wrestling than the overwhelming majority.</p><p>
(I still think I'm right, though <img alt="
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