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Cups:
Cena, Rock
Austin, Miz
*Cough*
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Why do they constantly book crappy entertainers who fail EVERY single time?
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So what you're saying is we need to have the Gatlin boys come callin', and take turns with Becky? (And there were three of them).
Melina beat up the Nexus last week?
Where did Miz start a feud with Austin?
CM Punk and Austin have been feuding on Twitter, especially around the release of WWE All Stars.
They had a confrontation on Raw.
Austin recently said in an interview that *if* he were to come back, the *one* guy he would want to wrestle is... CM Punk. Not Miz.
The Tough Enough introduction?
Where Miz got in Austin's face and challenged him to a match and the tough enough noobs left the ring before Austin got 2 on 1d?
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Miz is at a stage where he can afford to put over a guy for a while and not get hurt at all by it.
So he puts over the corniest, least interesting person on RAW?
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The Miz is probably the second most visable character outside the ropes, besides Cena. They have him all over the place. He's being groomed for something, and it's obvious. His loss didn't hurt him at all, the current status of other's (CM Punk mainly) is why he isn't right there. Punk surpassed him with one promo, and that's why Miz isn't there... but he's still EVERYWHERE else. Bad example if you ask me.
Swagger was probably the best example, but Cena isn't why he's where he is either. His problem is that he's boring, and pretty much that horrid Cole thing, is the height of his carreer, really... Because no one really took notice of his title victories.
Thus, why I didn't mention Swagger, and went with Miz, who's jobbing to Riley. Which, baffles me.
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He had a feud with Evan Borne recently that amounted with Borne picking up victories.
Losing to Cena.
That's the only two things i can recall right now. Maybe more. Hopefully someone can elaborate and remind us.
The idiocy with Cole against Lawler.
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You already know my stance about his match's... but these guys are not burried. He's beaten PUNK himself this way before. He's beat several guys that were Main Eventers, and still are. Heck, he's done worse, he's done it to two or three at time (although the third guy fell off). It didn't hurt their status, didn't make them any less of a threat. Edge, Kane, Big Show, Angle, Mysterio, Jericho, the list goes on and on... The match did NOT hurt them, and they didn't slip into the midcard for it. Get that fear out of your system. IF someone slips down, it's because they aren't getting over (their fault), or someone in the back don't like them...
Because you left him off, I'm gonna go with it.
The Miz: Worked as hard as he possibly could. Got 100% better on the stick. Decent in ring worker. Solid by WWE standards. Fans were eating out of the palm of his hand. the AWFUL~! chant proved that. Got his push. YAY! CHAMPION! Insert John Cena. Where's Miz now?
Oh.
Losing to midcarders.
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Cena admits to playing a super hero in TV. It's not like he's playing Samuel L. Jackson character in Unbreakable. He's the Bruce Willis character.
Well, you can call the five moves = signature moves. Did you know, one of Austin five moves was a middle finger then a stunner.
The difference between everyone else's five moves and Cena's five moves:
Everyone else: Uses the five moves to END the match.
Cena: (Until recently) ONLY uses five moves the ENTIRE match.
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So would Austin, Cena, and any immortal force in sports entertainment.
And that's why I take Tyson serious, and never did Lashley. Tyson was, yanno.
Real.
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That's my point.... I've seen everything he said stated before as if it were a fact. This is his way of enticing, making the Internet fans think they are right, etc.
The truth of the matter is this though, Cena wouldn't have said it if he actually thought it was right. He wouldn't do that on purpose to anyone if he actually thought they were in that position. He (and Punk) are using that platform to create more static, more friction, etc. It only hypes the match up for tonight (the goal is to sell).
The fact that Cena said your fear, should probably be a comfort that it will NOT happen. In all reality, Cena could win, only to have Mysterio beat him Monday (because of injuries "kafabe" from tonight), and Punk get his re-match with Mysterio, and we will be right back where we are now.
It's not going to happen that way, because I'm not six, lol.
Every time Cena gets in the ring and beats someone in five moves, he does that to the other person. He knows 90% of the people he's wrestling are never going to be taken serious afterwards. The burial still happens. What's he gonna do, NOT bury Punk and get management pissed at him?
Cena also doesn't have Kayfabe injuries. He instantly heals the second he hits a shoulder block. He even no sold a REAL f'n injury to show up months early and win the Royal Rumble.
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If he wasn't going to win the title, did Cena squash him in their PPV match? When Cena DVD comes out, i bet that match is on it.
And damnit dude, Umaga was one of my favorite and rest his soul. At least Umaga got to main event shows and have entertaining matches with Cena and Jeff Hardy of all people.
Put Lashley up to Tyson without knowledge of their "FABLED careers", people will think Lashley will kick Tyson all over that ring. Just by looks, not Tyson dominant boxing career.
Then have them speak, Lashley will win again because Tyson sounds like Michael Jackson backup singer.
Agreed, all around. Now, let's stick em in a parking lot in their primes.
Lashley'll be on the ground.
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It's going to happen. Cena -vs- Rock was once doubted because why would The Rock wrestle when he makes millions doing movies. Well, anything is possible. Stone Cold -vs- CM Punk will happen. Stone Cold just did a season with Tough Enough. From that show, Booker T and Trish have made in-ring wrestling appearance. And Stone Cold -vs- CM Punk have a good background story to play since one is a beer guzzler and the other one is straight edge.
As for CM Punk not doing anything for all those months, can you show me the script?
You DO realize, Miz/Austin have the start to a feud set up, yea? The plan was for Miz vs. Austin, not Punk vs. Austin. Who says it's gonna be Punk's spot?
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I didn't say that the WWE was booking for the internet fans. I said what Punk and Cena has been saying to each other lately is directed at them, since it's exactly the things the internet fans talk about... Cena mentioned his five moves of doom, his workrate, etc... Punk's been bassically acting as the "Voice" of the Internet fans. This doesn't mean WWE is going to book it for them, but these two guys are intentionally bringing up topics from the internet fans.
Just look at what Arrows said, he believes exactly what Cena said. That's meant for him to believe. He (Cena) has Arrows acting exactly like he wants him to act.
Cena's doing a GREAT job with this feud. The promos these two have had with each other have been brilliant. I believed what I believe before Cena said it, but Cena's right.
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They were definately setting him up to win the Smackdown Title there for a while. I truly believe he would have eventually. The whole reason they put the ECW title on him in the first place, was to give ECW a good solid Main Event Champion.
His MMA record isn't bad either, 6 and 1 now I believe.
6-1?
Better than I figured he'd do. Thought he got off to a rockier start than that.
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Lashley was going to win the WWE title or World Heavyweight Championship. But Michael Hayes conduct in the backstage during 2007 put an end to that.
Lashley had the look. But you put him down base on the way he spoke.
If Mike Tyson was a dominant professional wrestler than a dominant boxer, would you use your analysis on Lashley on Tyson? Based on your "interpretation of a tough guy", Tyson voice sounded like he was below average guy.
And what's to say he gets drafted to SmackDown and dominates their roster in 2008? He definitely had the size McMahon craves. He was far more talented in-ring than a Kozlov and Ezekial Jackson. If he didn't have that appeal, the looks, the amateur background, StrikeForce wouldn't take their chances on him.
Obviously Brock Lesnar was on a higher plateau, to use your words Arrows, he was white.
If Tyson was a wrestler, I'd feel the same way I do about Lashley. Tyson beat people up. Tyson WAS the baddest man on the planet. Lashley beat...Umaga...in a wrestling match. Lashley also was NEVER going to win the WWE title.
He might've won the World Title, but he was never going to win the WWE title, because, like you brought up, he's not white.
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And the WWE never books for the internet fan. If they did that, they would be in the same spot as ROH (if they started listening to the internet fan at the start of the IWC). You book for your audience and the internet fan has quite different taste as a casual fan. Notice when the WWE took out the word "wrestling", did the casual fan react negatively as the internet fan?
Agreed. Entirely.
I don't think CM Punk will slip down the card. Unless you believe a potential Stone Cold/CM Punk match at WrestleMania is slipping down. CM Punk loses at SummerSlam, he's going to be screwed by Triple H. Whoever wins, there will be something flaky about it, which is why they added HHH into the match. If Cena does get pinned cleanly tonight, then kudos because i want to see that personally. But based on the WWE history on booking their number one men, highly unlikely.Yeah, cause not doing anything for Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, and Feb. That's not slipping down the card. Cause after ALL that time doing nothing, you get to wrestle a guy who's not done anything in....how long? Oh boy!
Let's not forget that's nowhere near a confirmed match by any means. It's okay though, cause that one match makes up for having your entire character wrecked again and then going back to doing nothing at all after that match.
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So Lashley was average size? He used to be in the military not to mention being extremely ripped and 260 pounds of pure muscle. He looked tougher than Tyson tbh.
In the world of professional wrestling, with guys like Show, Taker, Kane, Cena, Batista, and an endless list more?
Average. He also never completely dominated everything the way Tyson did. He won, what? The ECW title?
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Melina has no value to the WWE.
John Cena has value to the WWE.
That's why he was backstage.
Plus Melina was a real future endeavor.
Cena was a storyline future endeavor.
Hence, CM Punk latest storyline. It was a storyline "I'm leaving the WWE and taking the belt with me".
Okay. Now, explain why they let Cena beat up the Nexus(And risk losing workers because of someone NOT under contract) weekly without breaking kayfabe.
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The number one guy in the WWE always get god like pushes. Look at Stone Cold, how did he lost his first title reign? Did he get pinned cleanly? Look at Hogan's first title reign, how did that end, cleanly? It's bound to happen. It's the WWE. This isn't the NWA where heels are put over the faces in their big shows. This isn't ROH where they actually give their talents a decent reign.
I brought up Mike Tyson because you didn't like the sound of Bobby Lashley's voice. So you have a double standard here?
You can't help but take Tyson serious. Tyson could've LOOKED like a 10 year old girl, as long as he was still that powerful, you'd HAVE to take him serious. He was that dominant.
Lashley was a fairly average guy.
The pushes they gave the other main WWE guys also didn't completely devalue the ENTIRE roster. No one on RAW can be taken serious as a title contender except for Punk right now. They've booked them all to be miles beneath Cena.
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Melina has no value to the WWE. She was future endeavored. So are they suppose to open the door for people they just fired. Name any other business that does it?
1. I'm actually pretty satisfied with the current WWE product, minus the Tag division, and the fact that R-Truth and Kofi Kingston will NEVER hold the main title of the show they're on because of their race. Kills 2 of the uppercard guys before they even get started.
2. That quote, was my point. Cena'd JUST been "fired". Yet he was backstage. If they didn't LET him in, he broke the law. If ANYONE tried to be backstage without being welcomed, they'd be arrested, cause it's, illegal.
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What did Sting do from 1999 to 2001? I only remember his feud with Vampiro. Can't remember anything else like "who did he put over?"
To be fair, I mentioned pre-96 Sting. After the nWo, the rules changed entirely for Sting, and his hero character went the way of Batman. That said, the only memorable thing Sting did at the end was the Vampiro feud. Really thought Vampiro was on his way up during all of that.
Wasn't that point where Hogan went face, and Sting was "Driving the hummer" or whatever idiocy they were thinking up? It's a bad time for me in wrestling history, to the point where I'd rather watch current Cena than WCW in 2000, so I try to fuzz it all out of my memory.
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When you heard his voice? It never stopped Mike Tyson from being the baddest man on the planet.
WWE always push their number one guy like this. And when they do lose fair, it's when they are passing the torch. Go back to Hogan, to Austin, now to Cena. Only The Rock seems to be able to lose fair. Then again, i maybe wrong about that.
Austin didn't need to beat Bret Hart at Survivor Series 96, WrestleMania 97, etc. to become the number one guy. CM Punk could very well lose at SummerSlam 11 and still get put over by Stone Cold final match in the WWE in either WM 12 or 13. So you basically want CM Punk to get a John Cena god push so all the fans loving Punk now will turn on him like the Cena fans in 04-05 turned on Cena.
If Punk was a villian of a month, why is he headlining back to back PPVs? Here's an example of villian or flavor of the month = R-Truth.
Because they need to solidify Cena as the ONLY champ again, and that means Punk/Cena 2?
I don't want Punk to get a god push. I don't like god pushes. I wouldn't even mind if Rey somehow got himself an upset win on RAW, or if Alberto showed up to take it tonight.
You can't have Punk lose clean to Cena right now though. If he does, he has no claim to anything at all, and he vanishes into the mid card.
and Mike Tyson WAS the baddest man on the planet. He would knock you out. Lashley, not so much.
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Off the top of my head him attacking JJ Dillon. There were other run ins and attacks during his feud with the Horsemen too.
What does that have to do with it? In any way? She got backstage and wasn't put in a cop car. Hence your point falls down. If anything you've strengthened my point by saying she forced her way backstaged and still didn't get arrested.
Not really, most of Stings feud have had a personal attachment to them, not least the 4 Horsemen feud. How many top faces just wrestle emotionless and passion free. Going through the motions for a paycheck. Very few, all the best ones, Sting included made you feel there was animosity there and that it was much more than just a job.
You completely overlook the part where all of that was brought on BY the Horsemen, BY Vader, BY every other heel he battled. Every time it was personal, it was because THEY decided to make it personal. Sting just fought through it to preserve himself and his way of making a living.
Never saw Sting randomly beat up JJ either. That'd be a strike against my point, and I can't remember every single wrestling show ever, so I'll give ya that one.
And Melina? WASN'T allowed backstage. Morrison was also jobbed out cleanly to a complete joke character they have no intentions of pushing because she showed up.
Yea. She was welcome.
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Wait, he needs to win or he's a nobody.
Lashley lost to Cena in his last WWE PPV appearance, was he a nobody afterwards? Why did StrikeForce ink Lashley? Because he was a nobody or a guy high up the card.
To be fair, always saw Lashley as a joke. Ever since he spoke and his voice made him the least threatening man in the world, couldn't take him serious. That said, Lashley went on to do some stuff.
Wasn't really the point I was making. It's like Cena said on RAW, if Punk loses, he failed. Everything he did all of this for? For nothing. All gone, if he can't prove himself tonight. Punk NEEDS this win to solidify himself and his cause as something more than "Villain of the month" material.
If he loses, the push dies. The danger's gone. Cena's still god, and nothing can touch him. Cena only lost because of Vince, Punk's second rate, and why should he even be allowed to show up once he's not holding the belt hostage?
That's his bargaining chip. It's what makes this whole dream reality of a storyline we're living through possible. If he loses, he's got nothing to bank on.
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