Dave Mac

Well I am British which is why I’ve always gravitated towards 21cw. I also think it’s a great place to start to get into the cverse. I love Adonis and have some big plans for him so you’ll see plenty of him.

Hopefully I do it justice. I will be running it as a youtube diary as well. I have the first month booked. So hoping it goes down well. I have changed quite alot of it, so I hope its close enough to 21CW for you to enjoy it. 👍

So heres what I've done Adam Matravers Andrew Lee Apollo Prince Assassin Beast Banton Beau Bolder Bedlam Blackheart Bret Heartbreak Brickhouse Balder Buff Martinez BW eddie Clifford Wilson Soul Taker El Leon CAmeron Vessey Angry Gilmore Emmet Askey J-B Cash Phillip Cooper Scott Gregory

I love that logo.

I started using https://www.fotor.com/images/create where you can choose from image. Only problem is they have a limited number of filters and I liked the anime ones. Only problem was anyone with long hair it made into a girl. And any male tended to have a beard. So everyone looked quite samey in the end. I have used Bing AI generator as well. I find this has a fairly consistent look for logos. But found it really sketchy with spelling. https://www.promeai.com/image-variation endedup using promeai. You can use pictures as the base and add text prompts. I used "photo realistic pro wrestler male female". I found this gave the most consistent results. The more text prompts you give the more things that can go wrong. But I did add things like angry, smirk, changed make up for the females. I think you can purchase a membership on there, but have personally only used it for the slower results and seems to be alright.

I’m away from my computer now. But I’ll stick some links up to what I use. And some of the prompts. Not saying it’s perfect. But gets results that I enjoy.

Couldn’t agree more. As I posted 26 of the roster are just shaved headed guys. Which is fine. But honestly what wrestling company would have so many people looking the same. It’s nonsense.

JB cash and Antithesis are absolutely magic. Love that. The others are great. But those two are brilliant.

I have done is redesign the PPV logos as well. I'm not a graphic designer at all. But I'm happier with those as they look like I want them to. With the AI faces I'm normally 95% happy. But its impossible to fine tune. Even when you an take an imagine and want minor alternations you'll often lose something else in there you liked. So in that sense AI is good, but never perfect. Although I will say you'll get the odd time it exceeds expectations, but that is rare. More often than not you're left thinking its done an OK job overall. But still tops the default in game pics which drive me mad looking at too long.

ultimately as well like I said its done purely for my enjoyment. If I was trying to create the CVerse perfectly I'd do it differently. But for me someone like Sifu in 21CW is the only Asian. It makes sense that to me he wouldn't be rocking the shaved head like everyone else. Wrestlers want to suceed so in my mind they'd do things to make them stand out within their own company. It also makes my life easier as some of this bald muscle MAry's on the roster look identical. Having a different look helps me remember who on earth I'm booking!

And this is why I dont moan too much. Jeff Nova an ex strongman is a big chap with bald head. Hence the roster is full of people similar to that. So it fits in with his character. Just makes booking the company difficult. I have been working on these renders for a long time. I've used others and dont like the results. The problem is real life and the Cverse isn't all just big characters. Take John Cena for example a headshot of him would be rather unremarkable. Yet he's been the biggest wrestler for decades. And like my roster of bald headed chaps what I'm finding hard with AI is injecting life and personality into the generic looking. John Cena might from a headshot have an unremarkable look, yet you still know the charisma is there. What I find with AI is it doesn't do a good job of injecting life behind the eyes of the character I guess. But I think that comes down to it being AI its almost impossible to put that "look" into words if that makes sense.

What I've even done, out of curiosity and a bit sad is take my renders and started to us AI on them. So my Tommy Cornell as a retro Mattel toy for example

I'm putting in some sort of toy launch into my game at some point just so I can use that Mattel pic. Sadly Tommy Cornell in the Simpsons wasn't as successful

Completely this. I accept the game world is huge. But playing as 21CW I find it jarring my road agent looks like this. As if they've taken the generic face and forgotten to do anything. Yet my announcer looks like this. Marilyn Stardust, in game 61 with a sex appeal of 21 Joanna Rodriguez, 40 and sex appeal of 97. Not that I'm expecting the game to have a bunch of drop dead gorgeous women for example as doesn't bother me at all. And I know sex appeal isn't just looks. But I guess I'm overly fussy. But those 4 pictures just look like they belong in different games.

While I massively agree with this. And I've found the deeper you get into AI you find quite often you are just looking at the same base image of a face for example with slightly different hair. However my flip side of that argument and I'll firstly say I love playing TEW. But the picture renders in the game are pretty terrible at times. I've mentioned I play as 21CW and I'll show you my issue with the roster - Thats 26 people on the roster all with fairly the same look to the. Its around 40% of your on screen roster looks like that. For me AI generated isn't perfect. But least gets me away from a sea of bald heads. And no hate as I shave my own head. But I find it hard booking any company when there is so few different looks.

Oh and to finish my boring posts. But belts. I found AI almost impossible with this. Took ages. Spelling was always off, or just looked terrible. But ended up with 3 belts for 21CW i like. World title, so gone gold. UK title which is secondary so silver. Tag title. Bronze and by some miracle AI managed to not screw up the word Tag on it, or just use a bunch of rubbish letters that mean nothing!

The thing I found is by keeping the base request of male, wrestler, plain background, photo realistic kept the style similar. Although I did have try other things and had a pretty decent result using male, Mattel wrestling figure. Tommy Cornell

Bit of a long one and spoilers as I'm doing a diary and youtube series on this. But I'm fairly pleased with what I've done. I found using AI generators needing word prompts almost impossible. I was unable to get them looking anyhwere close. So found AI generators where I could use the CVerse pics and then could use word prompts to adjust. At first I found one with an anime filter which I liked. The problem was ultimately any man with long hair it made look like a girl and almost every male character had a beard of some sort. So got quite samey. I eventually found one where it seemed to react to word prompts and simply adding male or female was coming out better. Also another challenge I found was face paint and masked characters. Some tried to make the mask part of the face, rather than being a mask. So again was harder getting round this. Ultimately I hate the Cverse pics so find it hard to get into a game when they look so bad. So this is purely a vanity project to make the game better for me. I'm Vince McMahon with how I book. If i like your look then you're getting pushed. If I don't then you're getting ditched. 21CW I play as is very heavy on the big bald guys, so some I've completely changed. And others I've tweaked just to suit how I want them to look. One problem I have found is with the pics being head shots it was almost impossible to get them wearing clothes. So most are just topless headshots, which annoys me 1% but much less annoying than the CVserve pics as it. Anyways I started with the logo As a British company I wanted more Union jack, more Lions and just generally more edgy, less meh. And one of those rare occasions AI managed to spell the word 21CW. But got hints of AEW black and gold, but overall I prefer it. From the roster some of the highlights which I enjoy the most are Steve Smith a commentator I think his CVerse pic is actually ok, but so pleased with how close it came out. Tommy Cornell THE Cverse man has gone from fluffy haired chump, to a bit more gritty. Thats AI's attempted a purple leather jacket with the collar turned up. Not great, but we move! Antithesis. It struggled with the make up for this as went more clown. I think the mast in the AI looks more sinister so overall liked that. Daniel Francis looks unique, so think his worked out well. Also found alot of AI struggles with hair texture, so the fact they look like dreadlocks is a winner. Kathleen Lee. I found the AI did a REALLY good job on the women. I find the CVerse characters have a sex appeal of 90 and look like a chewed up sweet. But found the AI was able to bring alot of them to life much better. Phoebe Plumridge for example has a very unique look and felt it dealt with that well. I was also able to add prompts to change the make up a bit and found that useful. Vicki Company is another one I was pleased with. Mark Misery. One thing it struggled with was holding things and hands. this was the best I could get. And a shame the Union Jack glove is missing. One of the first I did was Welsh Dragon just to see how it coped with masks and was pleased with the results. Sifu. One I completed changed as 21CW really is the land of bald heads. So just tried to mix it up for some. Jonathan Faust, I just wanted something a bit more to pop with him. he's a cult leader in the game, I just felt better with him looking this way. Rich Money. I'm working through the bigger names as well outside of the UK. Again a tricky one holding the money, AI seems to get a bit confused. But is harder as it might get the face right, but the money botched, then the money looks good but the face not right. So one thing with AI i found is less is more. The more "stuff" it needs to recreate is essentially more elements it can fail on. So try to keep it simple. Wolf Hawkins Sensational Dragon. For a massively weird mask I was pleased how this turned out. Landon Mallory is a great example of someone with a unique look, but quite a basic unique look. So able to really nicely translate into AI. I could also change the facial expression to angry or sad etc. So quite nice to change things up in that way. Finally my usercharacter is a made reality TV star. I felt the 21CW needed more females just to mix it up. So the CVerse pic I actually think is one of the best and baffled its one of the free pics and not assigned to someone. But felt the AI done an amazing job with this one. I've put the small pics up here. But bigger the detail is brilliant on. Still got loads more but don't want to bore people. As I say for me its not about recreating the Cverse perfectly. But more about making it more palatable for me.

I used an AI website where I could use the picture as the base but add my own commands. So I’ve gone photo realistic. I’ll post some more up later. I’m playing as 21CW so probably a lot of characters people don’t know.

My Tommy Cornell.

For me I see Tommy Cornell as a CM Punk for some reason.

I would LOVE records to be included. So just an easy screen to see all of that sort of information. Longest reign, shortest run, youngest wrestler, oldest, longest match, shortest match. Honestly any boring stat or record I'm all for!

That sounds useful