Tha Black Phenom

<p>01. lukess11</p><p> 05. Derek_B</p><p> 06. Destiny</p><p> 07. djthefunkchris</p><p> 11. Crychon</p><p> 13. Too Sweet Spartan</p><p> 15. Tha Black Phenom</p><p> 16. Eliphas / michgcs</p><p> 19. Memory of Talon</p><p> 20. Leion</p><p> 24. FellaLibby</p><p> 25. Rabbitman</p><p> </p><p> With two groups out there, this worries me.</p><p> </p><p> I think people have been too trusting about those they voted into the council. I looked at MoT's list and the numbers definitely show IMO there have been wolves in the henhouse.</p><p> </p><p> What I think would help is to cross reference everyone who has been voted into the council previously, and shell out our thoughts about them. Perhaps even about the current council, although they can't be voted on (I assume option #2 went through, may have skipped over)</p><p> </p><p> Something else trotting in my head is the amount of opinions and reads on Destiny. He's been the topic of discussion from an alarming amount of players, in comparison to most others. Maybe it's a fixation thing. Personally, I think he's town. If we're betting on a scum member taking the reigns right from the get go, in terms of willingness of making the council, it's not Destiny I would look at...</p><p> </p><p> I was going to vote on Leion this morning, but I then wanted to shell out my thoughts and lay things on the table. This is my reads list.</p><p> </p><p> Town</p><p> </p><p> lukess11</p><p> Memory of Talon</p><p> FellaLibby</p><p> Destiny</p><p> </p><p> Neutral</p><p> </p><p> Rabbitman</p><p> Too Sweet Spartan</p><p> djthefunkchris</p><p> Crychon</p><p> Derek_B</p><p> </p><p> Possible Scum</p><p> </p><p> Eliphas / michgcs</p><p> Leion</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> This may adjust throughout the phase but that's how I'm left feeling for now.</p><p> </p><p> I am also interested in the fact scum have managed to not hit each other for the past couple of nights now. Don't know if it's up to fortune or something more. The only scum death was Paws N1 IIRC.</p>

<p>Sorry for the absence, folks. I've just started my first day at my new job today (and in the same vein, I hope for similar endeavours on your end, Spartan) and there was much to take in so I couldn't be online to share my thoughts.</p><p> </p><p> As for the lynch result, it is what it is. I won't be commenting my thoughts on it which are predominately based on hindsight, but I will admit if it were up to me Rabbitman would've been strung up instead; nevertheless a decision had to be made and given the nature of Zergon's claim, I can understand how it went down.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>1. 25% to lynch next phase, <p> </p><p> 2. Or HOA is immune to votes.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As for these options, how aptly coarse and juicy. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Two fairly unfavorable options, I have a neutral read on 2/3rds of the chosen council but after this day phase I'm equally ready to explore other options as well. It's a conundrum, but for now I'd still go with option 2 personally, because even though I don't fully trust them we can still go after the options that we've entertained last phase, and who knows what will dawn on us after tonight. I certainly hope something will be to give with these looming threats. I try to avoid fixations on players but there's been no peep from Eliphas since last phase... I hope he's alright with whatever real life has hit him with. Within the innards of this game, he has certainly remained a person of interest in my eyes.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Starting out as (basically) a tree stump is weird, isn't it. Question is, does it fit in the game. I have never seen it before.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well a vote less townie is slightly different than a tree stump. Tree stump role also eliminates you from the active players list, making it -1 for the remaining amount of townies left, even though the player can still post.</p>

<p><span style="color:#2E8B57;"><strong>Nominate: Emark</strong></span></p><p> </p><p> I'd like it best to nominate the guy who claims can easily be pictured in the writeups, and if he's a baddie anyway we'll have a trail to go off of.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rabbitman" data-cite="Rabbitman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Curious as to why Eliphas. The other 2 I can see, including me obviously but why Eliphas exactly? I've not been able to lock them in as town but scum, not sure exactly.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Pretty much process of elimination, upon knowing there are two scum teams. Quite frankly, he hasn't given me any reason to wholesomely trust him. He's been active and forthcoming about his thoughts but slightly non committal in terms of who he distrusts or would like to lynch, other than nominating players for the council. Although not necessarily a scummy tell in itself, he also entertained the idea of making a deal with eayragt.</p><p> </p><p> Granted, this phase he said he'd be AWOL for a bit so even if I could vote, I'd wait to hear him out first. But I would like to know more about his role down the stretch.</p>

<p>I'm sort of back, but because of moving issues I may see limited online time at the beginning of the week. But I'm gonna be on for now to answer and touch in on a few things.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What do you mean by that? IF you are talking about posts, even if you take off 20 of mine, I have way more posts than you do? <p> </p><p> Are you just saying that because I don't have The most posts? There is only two people, not counting the mod, that have more posts than I do, even if you take off my night gifs to irritate IER. </p><p> </p><p> Here's the thing. I actually have had town vibes from you all game. I tend to ignore all comments concerning me as scum, as I like to be scummy. BUT... IF you said this to say ... any of the dozen plus other players with more posts than you have, I would have definitely called you on it. So, what's up with you? Are you not paying attention to the thread, did you not know I had over 40 posts, and you only have 12 counting this one? I'm the sleeper?<img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh no, it has nothing to do with how the amount of posts you have. Much of the contrary.</p><p> </p><p> Truth be told, I actually thought you were sort of compensating with all those gifs early in the game. I wasn't dead set on that theory, I told myself maybe there was nothing to it, and he was indeed just shooting the shit. I don't put much stock with how many posts you have, nor in comparison to anyone else. My sleeper scum comment was based off of that, the gifs at the beginning and then coming around to vintage DJ, responding to players, being chatty, making reads, etc. My analysis of you isn't that far from Derek's really. I think you can both play the part whether town or scum, and talk yourselves out of a lot of things. That said, my concerns about you remain just that for now, concerns, but still enough that they're gnawing at my head wondering if it would be ever worth cracking that case open.</p><p> </p><p> To summarize, I have a neutral read on you, but you would be the absolute last person I would nominate. Am saying this because to my dismay someone did nominate you, and I do trust the person who did. Overall I can acknowledge that different perspectives will always be at bay.</p><p> </p><p> For what it's worth, those I trust the least for now are among the area of Rabbitman/Eliphas/Leion. I'll leave it in the hands of the council, and due to the situation they're in I will not hold it against them if they happen to lynch a townie, so long as it shows that they're heard us out and considered our perspectives collectively.</p>

<p>I'm at a wedding today so I won't be online much to answer but I'll answer your query in the meantime TSS. I don't a hard scum tell on any of the three but Derek and DJ do concern me nonetheless, I'd certainly FoS them over Destiny at this stage. I don't fully trust Destiny but I feel better about him solely based on how forthcoming and open he has overall been. I wouldn't discount DJ playing a sleeper scum game, and Derek can have his way whether town or scum.</p><p> </p><p> Once I get back on, I have some more thoughts I will want to share about other players, depending on what they say once they show up this phase.</p>

<p>I personally don't know about a 24 hour day phase. That would work better if we had someone dead to rights. Or if we fall onto another night result, which is never guaranteed. I figure with the amount of people that are left, there may be several timezones between us.</p><p> </p><p> I figure if we trusted enough to vote in our council members, we could trust them enough to lynch our next player. Of course, later in game those same options may get tricky <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

We hit red, that's even better. Good job town.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Your just as bad as Destiny sometimes.<img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Come again? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eliphas" data-cite="Eliphas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well I don't think it's a good idea, but sometimes deals are made. I am actually pleased that the general consensus is what it is.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Indeed, deals are pretty circumstantial and usually happen when the mafia is unscathed later in game. Granted, there's been a fair amount of blue casualties. But D2 is rather unlikely to initiate such a deal.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> TBP I think just kind of overstated something that didn't need it. Just I know the person he was discussing with would /nod at every correct thing he said and it felt pretty scummy to me. </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Care to elaborate?</p><p> </p><p> That said, this was one of the more straightforward phases out there. We're capitalizing on a night result. The most noteworthy thing was all the deaths. And certain tangibles brought up to surface (council, Fella's unvote).</p><p> </p><p> Ironically, I'm feeling off about you too. Feels like you're making up ground for last game. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> But you're not the one I have a bigger scum read on.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Didn't someone suggest earlier in the phase that Paws might have been one of the killers last night based on the write-up?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Maybe I'm too traditional to consider things, but I doubt a don would be out killing. Unless there was a perk attached to it.</p>

<p>/nod</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I would like to be on the council as I don't have an active ability.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I believe I haven't nominated yet and usually the first few phases I hardly trust anybody so I'll throw you a bone for this time. Also with you saying this I assume your ability is passive?</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>Second: lukes11</strong></span></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zergon" data-cite="Zergon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>MLT did die night 1 so did you think someone else and accidently put MLT´s name instead?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Woops, you are right. Through all this sea of deaths I happened to miss out her name last night. Thank you for that.</p><p> </p><p> Emark, same question. Or rather, does anyone interest you in terms of reads for the moment?</p>

This has been a decent development, now to make use of this phase I'd like to know a bit about you MLT. Found anything interesting last night? Did you go out at all?

<p>Maybe I'm missing something here, but Bluestar dying doesn't make him a paranoid anything.</p><p> </p><p> But if you mean some kind of delayed multi-kill bomb or something, that could be a possible working theory, albeit that sounds like a pretty unusual role. With the nature of this game though all bets are off.</p>

<p>I'm thinking town vig offed BlueStar .. the beast got to MLT, and then pounced on Paws/hellshock. I figured there would be some sort of bloodthirsty role in a game this size, but damn. Then two different entities offing Rayelek and EP, makes me wonder how many alignments we can draw out of all that. I'm also wondering how this beast operates. It's hard to say whether one of the deceased ran into it or not.</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;"><strong>Vote: eayragt</strong></span> for getting some answers in the meantime.</p>

<p>Door-to-door salesperson. Hmm, wonder what could've been behind that.</p><p> </p><p> Glad to see that the proposals can be discussed in thread. This may make for an interesting dynamic about our night phases. Because of this, night phases are likely to be anything but quiet.</p><p> </p><p> Two choices, I wonder if it will remain to just that. I also wonder if there is an option to abstain. The choice here seems pretty elementary, and it seems that our future day phases may show fluidity between plurality and majority.</p>

Nominate: Rabbitman Because he said it wouldn't be wise to. I do like to live dangerously, and in seriousness that does earn a bit of my trust, of course not completely but we gotta start somewhere. There are others I do trust but am still waiting to hear/see more from them to go forward.

Hey, just checked into this. I believe it's been a while since I've played any sort of Kingmaker/council game. Certainly looking forward to this. I will say no one caught my eye yet as to who to nominate. There are a few ideas but it's hard to commit to anything just yet, especially since our nominations are final. With that I kind of understand why some people would nominate themselves on D1. I wouldn't, I've never nominated myself for anything so that might be good news for anyone of you up on the board I'm gonna mull over some more posts and see if I can trust anyone beforehand.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="FirstToGetThisName" data-cite="FirstToGetThisName" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46614" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I have to ask, though, isn't 4 investigative roles a touch bit too excessive? And with 3 of them being watchers...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Without wanting to assume too fast, I think the way this was set up was everybody was provided several abilities, town and likely scum alike. (I had three myself)</p><p> </p><p> The mods likely went with that each townie would have to choose among their resources to hunt down scum. What maybe hadn't been taken into account is as the game goes on and scum members are seized, process of elimination sets in and it may not necessarily get harder to choose between our abilities to hunt the remaining few(also largely dependent on their play), especially if X townie says "I can fend for himself" and another vouches for </p><p> other parties.</p><p> </p><p> I for one thought two masons was a bit much to fare against one mafia team, that is why I had considered in my head a second team or several indies.</p><p> </p><p> Nevertheless, the game was well ran and I enjoyed deducing from the write-ups. There were nice touches in the setup, Amazo was a role that could've probably done a lot of damage. Maybe if Amazo managed to steal away outright his target's abilities it would've been more balanced, although I know in the comics/DCverse he simply copies them so it makes sense canonically.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eternal Phoenix" data-cite="Eternal Phoenix" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46614" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hmm. Would you all like to see the night actions?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I sure would. Fun game all in all, kudos to you guys.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DeadCeleb" data-cite="DeadCeleb" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46653" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And there he is, our N1 kill. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not if I lynch you first. I already received my role and my vote counts for ∞ + 1.</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;"><strong>Vote: DeadCeleb</strong></span></p><p> </p><p> Take him away, boys.</p>

You'll need some manpower it seems, count me in.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Memory of Talon" data-cite="Memory of Talon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46614" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Booster gold?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> /nod</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46614" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm not following. If it's something to do with the theme then the majority of it goes over my head. Somebody will take him out?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just let me have my coffee first at least.</p>

<p>Sorry for the lack of activity as of late, guys. I was surprised to see another night skip but here we are, I suppose that's more likely to be mafia induced when a second one materializes. In another vein, I'm glad the phase is going this way because we have quite a few players to probe upon and some of them have yet to reply which doesn't help their case.</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;"><strong>Vote: BlueStar</strong></span></p><p> </p><p> As for my hints, well I would say to read closer but because of how originally misleading I may have been, I won't hold it against anyone.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46614" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Blue Beetle</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hello friend <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<p>So if I'm understanding correctly, we have a scum bus driver, vote manipulator, killer* and probably one more role left? Two? </p><p> </p><p> We had Luthor and Joker the gift giver.</p><p> </p><p> The asterisk is in case there is no designated hitman.</p><p> </p><p> I am still wondering if Crychon was our only indy.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Memory of Talon" data-cite="Memory of Talon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46614" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Probably <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But you were successful I take it?</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;"><strong>Vote: The_Showtime</strong></span></p><p> </p><p> My vote would usually go on Rabbitman right now, but if people are more sure about Show, which I am equally as well, I'm willing to go in that direction. Rabbit will have ample time to answer our concerns if need be, but it does seem likely he could be Zoom, or another baddie at large.</p>