Rick Savant

April 7

Is there a way to book a manager in a match?

Like, if I've got a Jim Cornette type, and I want to book a handicap match with Cornette as the heel's partner, how do I do that?

I tried talking the manager into coming out of retirement, but he won't. There isn't an option to ask them to become an occasional wrestler. Is this just a thing you can't do with a manager?

- Nevermind! Figured it out! You have to click View Entire Roster above the dropdowns where you choose your workers. And they have to have a contract that allows in-ring

May 30, 2022

Why play this mod instead of RWC? How is it better? I'm asking about the quality of the database and long-term playability.

I mean, I'm not going to say anything against RWC. Their mod looks great!

But I can tell you that this mod is tested for 20 year sims, and has come out with an interesting wrestling scene at the end of all of them. I spent a lot of time working on getting it to still be vibrant past the ten year mark, and every 10+ year sim, past 1.0, that I've run (which is dozens) is a world I'd be happy to play in.

But honestly, I'd just DL the mod, run a watcher game while you're at work and see for yourself. I'm very confident in it's stability, and think of it's long term playability as one of the biggest benefits that came from the approach I took in building it.

May 29, 2022

Thank you addressing every bullet point I had! I agree with nearly all of it, some of my points were subjective

Oh and just to add, email notifications aren't working across the board, so that's why you aren't receiving any.

Totally! I really appreciate the feedback.

And thanks for a heads up on the email notes. Makes me feel less like I've gone crazy.

May 29, 2022

No no, it is I who is dumb. Should be fixed now!

May 29, 2022

Fixed and re-upped!

May 29, 2022

2.0 is up! Changelog is on the main page.

If watching major changes to anything complex, in any medium, get released has taught me one thing: Something is sure to go wrong! Please let me know how I've broke the mod, should that prove to be the case.

May 29, 2022

I have one more day of work and then I'm off for three days. Super stoked that a 2.0 update is on the horizon as I've wanted to play an AEW save around this time

**** yeah! Please tell me how your game goes!

May 29, 2022

I really liked this mod but have some things that i've adjusted before start a real save.
As a non-pandemic world, there are some start absences that doesn't need to be in the database.
I don't have the game open now but one I remember is Roman Reigns.
Another one is CM Punk, is rumored that he only signed with AEW in August/21 because with the pandemic scenario isn't financially viable to sign him without crowd.
There are others who made returns before the hiatus setting in this mod, for now I only remember Ronda Rousey and Sting.

But this is for sure a really good mod.
Thanks for this.

So, Roman is a tough one. He never makes a televised appearance after the start of the mod, but he does have one last house show match with the WWE on March 1st. He wasn't officially taken off WM until April 3rd. I thought I remembered, at the time, him saying that his time off wasn't pandemic related, but every article I can find now contradicts my memory.

Maybe it's not that hard. I think your proposal that in a non-pandemic world, Roman Reigns main events WrestleMania is a strong one. And truthfully, WWE would just be so much more fun to play with him available. You've convinced me. He's reinstated!

Punk, on the other hand, I'm not convinced on. I've heard rumors there were two Ultimate Warriors, I wouldn't put the second one in a mod. We know that TK wanted Punk from the get go of AEW, without a pandemic in play, and Punk balked. He obviously changed his mind somewhere along the line, and if there was no pandemic would it have happened sooner? Probably. Do we really have any idea as to when? No. The way I figure it, anyone who wants to run a game centered around the return of Punk, will probably want to tweak his return to a date of their choosing in the editor, anyway.

Rhonda comes back in the last week of January, 2022. There's 48 weeks in a TEW year, so she should be gone for 91 weeks... you're right! She was gone a bit too long. Fixed!

Sting's a huge catch. WWE removes him from their website at the end of Oct, 2020. He debuts in the first week of Dec for AEW. So, I think it's reasonable to have him be available to negotiate with as of the first week of Nov. Fixed!

I appreciate the kind words! If you think of any more lemme know. And maybe I'll do a full review of the starting absences at some point. (edit: Think of any more hiatus errors, not kind words. But honestly, I'll take more kind words too.)

Reuploaded them for the people who couldn't download:

Thank you so much for doing this while I was awol. You truly are the King of Kings.

Not one for nitpicking ratings cos that's mod maker's discretion and the user can always just edit and tweak as necessary (e.g I know some people complained about your ratings for Kenny but that's w/e to me) but I do wonder if there's an issue with SQ across the board. I particularly wanted to flag it up because my favourite thing about this mod is that you did your research and compared ratings with the C-Verse.

If we go back to comparing stats with the C-Verse, at game start there are 34 active wrestlers with 90 or above SQ. Guys with numbers like this are basically can't miss, sure fire superstars - the kind of guys who could transcend the industry into the mainstream. The sort of people who are candidates to be company Figureheads. In Before The Fall there are 28 wrestlers with 90 or above SQ in WWE alone. That seems disproportionately high.

It makes sense for someone like Sasha Banks (who was spotted by film director Jon Favreau and immediately earmarked as someone with impressive charisma and mainstream potential) but why do e.g Lars Sullivan and Rusev have SQ so high? Lars Sullivan's Star Quality is 93 which is the sort of rating I would expect someone like Stone Cold to have. Rusev is popular and all but can you really imagine someone building a whole company around him or seeing him main eventing WrestleMania year after year?

Like I say I don't want to get into specific "this guy should be this, this guy should be that" discussions because I don't think that's helpful to the mod maker but I would expect there to be, at most, 4 or 5 active full time roster members in WWE to have an SQ rating so massive that they could be the next Hulk Hogan. As it stands there are 6 among the women's division alone.

I really appreciate your being cognizant of not wanting to argue about matters of opinion! The issue you brought up here is in no way that, and, conversely, I think super interesting.

Here's the distribution of the BTF and CV Star Quality stats in 2.0:

So, just eyeballing that, I'd say it might be a good idea to take some people in the mid to high 70s and drop them down to the low to mid 70s. But, in general, things look good to me.

My first thought about some of the numbers you put forward was to do with the sheer size of the database. Looking at active men, there's 1487 workers in the CV, vs 2256 in BTF (again, that's in 2.0 which I haven't released yet, but will shortly). So, you would expect to see more high SQ workers floating around in that larger pool at somewhere around 1.5x the number. In the CV, I count 31 active male (you got 34, so I could be wrong, but it's close enough that I think this all still works), full-time, workers who have =>90 SQ. In BTF we have 41, which, if anything, is a little low. And I do think the difference in size is part of what is creating your impression.

But! That doesn't explain why 21 of those 41 workers (over half!) work for the WWE. By comparison, the highest concentration of =>90 SQ workers in the CV is found in RAW with 9 of the 31 (or 29%). That is a big difference in distribution. But I think there's a reason for that, which is that the CV and BTF are just simulating different scenarios.

BTF is a world which has spent 20 years being dominated by a market hegemon. Not just that, but one run by a man who genuinely prefers bodybuilding to professional wrestling, and puts a famously outsized value on looks. The CV, by comparison, is a much better world. It's a world built to be interesting to play in. Where there is a three way war for the North American wrestling fan's attention, and the UK has a company that starts off with 80% prestige and 7.5 million dollars in the bank. Given those differences, I think it's explainable that there's a concentration of star quality inside the roster of the most powerful company in the game.

And the last thing that, might be a factor, is that Star Quality is (I think, notoriously) the most wishy washy stat in TEW. Honestly I don't like it, and if I was in charge (and decidedly, am not) would have its properties be disseminated into Charisma, Look, and Poise. Which is not to say that Poise is a synonym for the current Star Quality stat, nor, in the last paragraph, was I trying to say that I think bodybuilding, or looks, are what it represents. But it kind of represents a mishmash of all of those things, since it's so loosely defined. And when stats are loosely defined, they can end up meaning different things to different people.

With this in mind, you brought up Lars Sullivan, which I think is a great example both in the differences in our thinking on SQ, but also in how frustrating the stat can be. So, just focusing on what makes Lars Lars in TEW terms, the first, obvious thing is menace. He's gotta have a high menace. But, what separates him from Rezar (Gzim Selmani)? They're both 330lbs monsters, pedestrian in the ring. Neither are overflowing with charisma, and while I give the tie break to Gzim in sex appeal, neither is defined by the stat. And yet one was earmarked to main event WrestleMania, and one was a tag team wrestler who got released. So what's the difference? There will be people who don't see one (Gzim, probably) and chalk it up to arbitrariness, but that's not what I see. There was something special about the way Lars came across on television. Something that doesn't feel right to put into the Charisma column, or sum up with a high Menace. Given that the (unsatisfactory) definition of SQ is "intangibles / 'X factor' / aura", to me, Lars is a prime example of what the stat is there to represent.

This is just a different way of thinking about it than you have, and I don't think there's anything wrong with your definition. I'm making an overly concerted effort to separate Cha and SQ, and if someone told me they thought SQ was just a second Cha score, I'd think they were in a pretty strong position. But the way I approach the stat, a 100 SQ doesn't make you Hulk Hogan. A 100 SQ, with a 97 Mic, 100 Cha, and a 90+ Psy makes you Hulk Hogan. Where-as a 100 SQ with a 15 Cha makes you... Byron Saxton? Not sure. SQ makes me dizzy.

May 28, 2022

So a confluence of A) getting into a protracted dispute with my landlord over whether he could, or could not, evict me, B) contracting Covid for longer than I would have liked, and C) for some reason, not getting notifications when comments on this thread were made (some reason being user error) combined to make me miss a whole bunch of this, but…

I’m here now! I’ll respond to this stuff in two parts, and then when I’m done… upload 2.0 which will address nearly all the issues mentioned in this tread! Hurray!

Dante Martin's name is spelled "Daunte" for some reason

That's how it was spelled at that point. He only dropped the U after Darius got injured earlier this year.

Raspy has the right of it.

My rule for how to list people (as best I can keep on it) is to name them as per their Wikipedia; if none, then as per cagematch.net; if none, Fandom; if none, as per my whims.

He's Dante on Wikipedia now, so this won't be annoying you anymore once I upload 2.0, which, in theory, should happen later today

Couple things I noticed while setting up my AEW game:

- Matt Mahoney & Matt Makowski have the same photo.
- Max Caster is listed as 23. He's actually a lot older than I expected and born in July 1989, so he should be 30 here. His father is Rich Caster, who played in the NFL in the 70's.

- Ryan Davidson & Ryan Donavon have the same photo.
- Wheeler Yuta is listed as 26. As far as I can tell he was born ~1997 and should be 22-23 here. He started wrestling when he was 16 which might be why he's listed as older.

All fantastic catches, all fixed!

- Rok-C and Lee "TAIGASTYLE" Moriarty don't appear to be in the database. That was a tough one for me as they're two of my favorite young wrestlers.

Yeah, not having them included seems like a pretty big oversight. But it is now sighted! And by that I mean they are now in the game as of 2.0.

- Is there a reason not to add the AEW Dynamite Diamond Ring and Casino Battle Royales (men and women -- tag team might be hard to replicate) as accomplishment titles for AEW? These have been steady accomplishments AEW's used beginning before the game starts to the present day.

So, yes. And I acknowledge this is a close call. Originally, I had the Casino Ladder Match in, and took it out. Basically, with the Casino matches, they are irregularly held, and ultimately are rarely referred to again on AEW TV, let alone elsewhere in the world of wrestling. So, they feel more like a style of match than an accomplishment to me.

The Dynamite Diamond Ring and Face of the Revolution matches feel more like a Royal Rumble-esque title, to me. They're held annually, and have come up in storyline (to varying degrees) throughout AEW's year. But ultimately, at this point, the DD Ring feels like a gimmick to get MJF over and I wouldn't be shocked if it disappeared in a universe where he left for Hollywood tomorrow (don't worry, he won't). And the Face of the Revolution Ladder Match feels like minor deal to set up a mid-card challenger. It's not like they're really pushing Wardlow as the face of the revolution, right now. It's just, sort of, a match he won.

Anyway, that's my take on it, but I can totally get why someone might view it differently. I may even change my mind in time. Those are pretty easy titles to add, should someone want to, and I'll put pics for them in the 2.0 folder, in case someone wants to make them for their game.

Having a toddler and a baby pretty much limits me to playing through one mod at a time at a very very slow rate, and I'm very much stuck into a 98 ECW save for the moment...

But I've really been feeling alienated by the direction AEW has taken, especially since The First Dance. The pandemic definitely played its part in that too, what with the roster bloat as it set the wheels in motion for Tony Kahn to become a haven for both indy talent and WWE releases.

I enjoyed reading through the feedback and your own responses, it sounds like a lot of great work and thought has gone into this. So consider me provisionally on board! I need to scratch that early-days style AEW itch and would could have been.

That sounds like a lot of work, luckily 98 ECW is a rad place to be stuck in!

I totally get the AEW malaise, although I think I might be slightly less disillusioned than you are. In my case, I waited a long (long) time for a high production value alternative to WWE, so when it finally came, I couldn't help but project 20 years of desires onto a wrestling company completely out of my control. I can't fully blame them for not living up to my PERFECT IDEAL. Luckily, I have this mod to right the wrongs of the wrestling world. (Except that Cash Wheeler went on hiatus less than a week before I was about to debut FTR. /scream of anguish)

Some quick notes on things I found with AEW and others:

-The AEW Casino Ladder Match has Brian Cage in its title history but it hasn't happened yet.

-Jake Roberts should be set as Lance Archer's manager.
-Kenny Omega was not portraying an Awkward Weeaboo in March 2020, or really at any point in AEW.
-I'm not sure if Ethnic Hero is the right gimmick for Scorpio Sky.
-Orange Cassidy could use a fairly large bump in popularity. This was peak Cassidy, coming off of the Revolution match vs. PAC. Recognizable at 48 pop seems super low.
-MJF is also at 49 pop which is lower than the likes of Jake Hager (54) and Lance Archer (53). He just beat Cody at Revolution.

-As above, CLM removed entirely, along with the spoilers about Brian Cage's win

-Archer had only signed with AEW four days prior, when the mod starts. I can see an argument on assigning Roberts as his manager, in case someone wants to go that route, but misses that it isn't set up already. But, on the other hand, as this is a fantasy booking game, many people will want to go a different direction, and also not check, getting an unexpected appearance by The Snake. Given either situation is annoying, I default to what was happening in reality at the time of the Mod, which was that Archer did not have a manager, or direction of any kind, as of yet.

-Oh man! You didn't watch his heel run? You really have to avoid checking that out. Obviously, this is subjective. If you have a better descriptor for Kenny Omega's on air persona, I encourage you to make the change in the editor. But I can't imagine what that would be.

-He, along with Christopher Daniels and Frankie Kazarian, are the proud representatives of Southern California! SCU! Obviously, if there's a better descriptor of that gimmick, change away. Now, I can appreciate that someone might think the play on the old TEW stock gimmick is saying something about his racial ethnicity. It's not. But I certainly don't want to make anyone uncomfortable, so if your flagging Scopio's gimmick is a sign of that kind of discomfort, let me know, and I'll change it. But, technically speaking, it is an accurate description of the SCU gimmick.

-Your Orange Cassidy point is an interesting one. I disagree that this was peak Cassidy. To my perception, that came at the height of the Jericho feud. But, ultimately, I think you're right that the PAC match significantly changed his perception. He's been bumped up to a well known act coming off of that performance!

-Likewise, MJF is an interesting case. He was not very well known at this point on a national level, but in the AEW markets the Cody win was big. But it was the first, and really only, big thing that had happened with him in AEW at that point, so it would have boosted him up from indy cred, plus some really good promos. But I think you make a case for him being higher than he currently is, so I've given him a buff!

-Marty Scurll should have some negative attributes. At least Sleazy if not Scumbag. He is also the polar opposite of A Marketing Dream. I understand this is March 2020 but the events in question have already happened and you assigned appropriate attributes to the likes of Starr/Ryan/Havoc.

Totally. I've added the Sleazy tag for Scurll. Honestly thought I'd already done it, so good catch! Small note about the Scumbag vs Sleazy tag. Like, for most of the people caught up in the Speaking Out situation, 'scumbag' feels like an appropriate descriptor, and 'sleazy' feels a little light. But in the game, if you give them 'scumbag' then they do a bunch of stuff like rip people off for money, which isn't really the issue. Whereas the 'sleazy' tag, I believe, but could be wrong, gets you creepier behavior. So, I'm leaning towards the 'sleazy' tag in general... but am very much undecided, so any thoughts on this would be great. Honestly, given how big a deal that was, there should just be a tag for 'sexual predator'.

As for the marketing issue, I don’t think it’s controversial that Scurll’s T-Shirt sales and general merch presence far exceeded his stature as a draw, which is essentially what the marketing tags are for.

February 12, 2022

Two quick questions:

1 - Where do I see how many dates are left on a limited date contract? I know when it gets down to the final few, it shows up in my assistant, but it isn't listed in Contracts before that and doesn't seem to be anywhere on the worker's profile.

2 - When using auto-booker: does it take into account divisions? So, if I label a group of workers "cruiserweight" will they generally be booked amongst themselves? Or are those labels just for filtering purposes?

Thank youuuu!

December 14, 2021

I like this idea of using the default data to keep the real data in check. Sometimes it feels like the real world mods sacrifice game balance for realism. I just remember smashing through shows to the point where not much thought went into what I was booking. I'd like to play as AEW, but I want it to feel like a climb.

Thanks! I feel the same way. For me, when I switched my thinking to seeing skills as relative, instead of absolute, it didn't even feel like much realism was sacrificed.

What I mean by that is, I might look at X wrestler and think "That's a 90 brawl!" in my heart, and I might even be right on an absolute scale, making it look wrong to see them set at 80 (roughly where brawl caps out at the beginning of the mod). But then I play a game and I tend not to think, "That should be 90 Brawl." and more "He's my best brawler." and it feels fine once I'm in the thick of it.

I agree but for different reasons, I really enjoy what if scenarios.
Seeing a ton of different promotions (that could be lead by anyone) and the possible twist & turn of TEW makes me really excited to play the mod.

Totally agree here as well. In the multiplayer game I'm running of this mod (anyone interested in joining let me know), Both of the Outsiders died within a few days of each other. Was it a broken heart? Was it murder? Kevin Nash had just taken of WOW! in Nevada, might he have run afoul of the mob?

There are, of course, other, less death centric, examples.

December 8, 2021

Apparently, Gatoh Move Pro Wrestling location is set in USA

Woof, good catch. There's a big update coming, eventually, so I'll fold that fix in with it.

November 22, 2021

Quick question about Perm Units: In the mod I'm working on there's a perm unit tag team, but when I hire them they show up as inactive, and I need to activate them.

Is there a way to set it up in the database to have them be active right away? They don't seem to team with any other AI company, so I figure something's set up wrong.

October 5, 2021

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GooverDan" data-cite="GooverDan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="53467" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There's a couple of errors in the new update: - Jimmy Lloyd, G-Raver and Matthew Justice has clashing attributes regarding crazy bumps. - Junior Dos Santos has a wrestling role, but is not listed as a wrestler.</div></blockquote> Thanks! Should be fixed now!

October 3, 2021

1.5 is out! Mostly focused on fixing up GCW, but also added some new workers and the UFC people who show up in 2021. You can find it on the initial post.

If anyone tried to DL it recently and were unable, sorry about that, that's my fault. Kinda messed up the links while switching over to 1.5, should be good to go now!

And by now, I mean... now. If you get a critical error when you try to start the mod, just re-download it. Its fixed now!

September 29, 2021

I use 7zip.

https://www.7-zip.org/

September 29, 2021

What's the difference between a "stunt bump" and a "crazy bump" in a practical sense?

Like would a stunt bump be assumed to have crashpads or something?

Exactly, Stunt Bumps are set up to look more dangerous than they actually are, falling onto a crashpad disguised as a table, where-as crazy bumps are riskier, such as falling through six tables to cement disguised as concrete.

How do you book an angle for a tag team promo, where one person does most of the talking and the other chimes in? Would it be Interviewer rated on Microphone, Tag1 on Entertainment, and the the "muscle" (Tag2) as entertainment but with limited involvement?

I would historically have done that angle as Mic (Interviewer), Ent (Tag1) and Pop (Tag2) on the grounds that they weren't really contributing to the segment outside of their presence sort of sets an importance level. The Rock's upcoming tag match with his partner, Mosh, should be viewed as less a big deal than a standard Rock promo.

But you could set the Tag2 to just make a cameo in the road agent notes. I wouldn't though, as they would get less popularity gains (as I understand it), and there's a long history of tag teams getting over together while one member does the talking.

September 28, 2021

Is there a consensus as to how best to simulate things like Rosario Dawson or Jorge Masvidal showing up in AEW? Or Mike Tyson in AEW or WWE?

Should they be high pop non-wrestlers? Unskilled, occasional wrestlers who retire quickly? I'm not really sure how to enter them into the database.

September 26, 2021

It's a slightly modified version of the AI, so it's almost exactly the same rules.

There is no specific booker involved, and no skills are referenced, as it always goes for the best / most appropriate selection when given a choice (whereas the AI version would use chance based on the skills and settings of the booker).

No, hidden pushes are not taken into account as they aren't active in a non-AI company (as, naturally, the player is making those choices when they book).

Heroics! Thank you!

Is there a way to get the exact number of attributes instead of the scale used? Kind of like Fog of War from the earlier versions.

If you want to see exact numbers instead of a range, uncheck Enable Scouting in Preferences.

September 26, 2021

When you use auto booker, does it use the same rules that govern AI booking? And if so, who is the booker?

Does it use my Avatar's booking skill? or my best road agent? Can my autobooker benefit from "hidden push options" like big or mega push?

Thanks!

September 22, 2021

Cool, I'm also going to suggest GCW being "integrated" when it comes to Women's Wrestling, as even though Allie Kat is the only woman on the roster, she frequently wrestles intergender matches and while there's some distaste for her online, the GCW fans pretty much have accepted her as "one of the boys" and it really shouldn't be a debuff to have her wrestle nor any other woman you want to hire onto the roster. I understand that from a gamey perspective that may cause GCW to add more women. But it really doesn't make sense for matches to get debuffed when the fans actually like her.

That's interesting, I'll play around with some sims, see what the best setup to simulate that is.

September 22, 2021

Redownloading both the mod and pic pack fixed my problem.
I think what I did wrong was assume the pics weren't set to the .gif format so I went in to the editor to fix a problem that didn't need to be fixed haha.

Thanks for helping though.

Also as a suggestion, Make Rickey Shane Page the leader of 44OH! and Gregory Iron should be set as the Fodder for GCW, they're also more of a Faction/Gang than an Alliance

That's great!

Thanks for the heads up on the GCW guys I'm not super familiar with GCW, so anything you notice about it that's off, just toss it my way!

I'll want to make more changes to the mod before I put up 1.5, but in case you're playing GCW, here's some pics for it that will be in the next pack:

September 18, 2021

Just wanted to drop you a note of appreciation for this mod. The stats seem very solid to me, barring some tweaks I mostly chalk up to differences of opinion. But it plays well, and I like it quite a bit.

Thanks! I really appreciate your saying that. I did a lot (lot) of ten year sims to make sure the world was stable. And way more research on Japanese and Australian media companies that I ever thought I'd do.

September 18, 2021

1.4 is up! I reworked the broadcasters and tweaked some promotions, so now every promotion will start meeting the requirements of the broadcasters they already have deals with. There is an exception though, for promotions that are airing on another promotions website or network, seems like nothing can be done about that.

I've also added a new link for the pick pack. There should be only one character in the game without a pic, so if you have multiple pics missing, grab that pic pack to replace it. One new pic included, if you have a working pic pack already you can find it here:

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September 17, 2021

Appreciate the in-depth and probably unnecessary line-by-line response to my suggestions,

That's ok, I like talking about wrestling. And I like giving my opinions on things, and this seems to be the perfect nexus of those two hobbies.

there's nothing that's big enough to be put off other than a lot of AEW's non-WWE stars seem lacking in the promo department (Omega & Bucks mainly) even when comparing them to mid-card WWE talent, even though I agree they are mainly known for their wrestling more than anything else, the highly successful Being the Elite show should be enough to show they aren't just about being great in the ring,

And I expect this to be a common sticking point with the mod. I am very down on Kenny and The Bucks promo work, where-as people who like Kenny Omega tend to really like Kenny Omega, for whatever reason. I feel like the solution is just being very up front about how I see the workers, and then people who see them differently can use the editor or in-game editor to change things to their liking.

Things like likability and communication skills can be highly subjective, case in point: I would use Being The Elite as an example of why comedy should be left to professional comedians, and as a bolstering of my point as to where Kenny and The Bucks stand from an entertainment skills perspective. But you clearly get something positive from the experience of the show, so there isn't an absolute value on its goodness.

I would say, though, that "highly successful" feels a little bit like overplaying your hand. Regardless of whether I like it or not, if BTE was giving the wwe youtube page, or even a youtube particular phenomenon like The Vlog Brothers or Polygon, a run for their money in subscriptions, well ok... but as it is, even with TV to promote their existence, they fall well short of those kinds of numbers.

if anything I'm intrigued at the challenge of an AEW save, in terms of the Charisma of foreigners, I've just noticed Pentagon Jr's Charisma & Microphone seem quite high too based on my previous list but that's mainly because I've never really seen a mod rate foreigners so highly in the Microphone/Charisma department, although if making them struggle with English lowers the potential score for promos significantly then it's not as much of an issue,

Sweet! Keep me abreast of how that plays out, if you want!

And there's a chance that after more testing, Auska et al have their english reduced from Passable to Basic if the penalties don't seem stiff enough. But if someone wants to play NJPW and they bring in Nakamura, it would be absurd if he only cut "ok" promos.

To me Penta is an elite level charismatic performer, as evidenced as him being more over than Fenix despite Fenix, being the single biggest thing to come out of Lucha Underground, being the most successful lucadore on American soil since Rey Mysterio, and being awesome.

Charisma is a tough one to pin down but I always assumed the main use for it in game was for the insanely talented Microphone users who went above and beyond and didn't need a script and would therefore be able to easily get 80/90 segments for mic work rated on Charisma/Entertainment (Punk, Rock, Austin, Heyman etc), no idea how much the game actually takes in to account the kind of Charisma I was attributing to PAC.

I'll quote from the Player's handbook because I have no further insight than what it says (TEW is kinda mysterious in some ways), Charisma "could be described as [the worker's] ability to connect with the crowd without verbal interaction." ... "Considered quite an important skill because of how widely it is employed".

So, I would take from that that it is absolutely meant to represent the type of charisma that PAC has, bundled in with the sort of intangibles that make some people attractive. A mix of emotiveness and magnetism.

I think we see the same thing in PAC, I just see it at one tier down, which is still a pretty good place to be.

Seeing the likes of Kairi Sane have around 50 more Microphone than Jake Hager and 35-40 more than Omega seemed absurd to me but I'll have to test how much not speaking English hampers the potential rating for segments as I have not seen Kairi/Asuka/Nakamura/Pentagon etc cut promos in their language other than a handful of poorly written WWE ones that were to me no where near 80's.

And don't forget, while I do think there is a conceptual difference in our starting approaches with regards to foreign language speakers, it is also possible that we have different assessments of talent beyond that. As is evidenced by the amusing idea that someone could be so bad at promo work that their being better than Kenny Omega is absurd. And if there is just a difference in assessment you may want to use the editor.

Is there a timetable on 1.4 as I don't wanna start up a save and put a lot of time in to it for an update to come out shortly after, thanks in advance.

I'm in the midst of starting a big multiplayer game, so that's taking a little time. It depends how long it takes me to fix the BIG CATCH you made below. Pretty much gotta go through every fed to check out how their broadcasters interact. Could be done later today, could take days. Sigh.

AEW Women's & Tag Team titles are missing one title defence each from Revolution
AEW Product seems incorrect, it penalises Deathmatch, Comedy etc
Colt Cabana has 0 Colour
Dasha Gonzales Microphone seems way too high
Orange Cassidy's in-ring stats seem absurdly high (better than Pentagon Jr?)
iN DEMAND expect a minimum quality of 89 per PPV which seems like an absurd expectation to try to consistently meet
ITV4 require a company to be in the British Isles or Europe which AEW is not and are Low risk when AEW use deathmatches on TV

-Good catch! Fixed!

-There's a big discussion on this earlier in the thread. AEW product is by design.

-Nice catch! Fixed!

-That's fair, nerfed!

-He's worse than Penta at technical skill, but his aerial is better, which is what I see when I watch the two of them. They're fairly comparable workers in that they use a charismatic schtick to eat up time in their matches and then broadly stick to shorter, somewhat sensational bursts. And in the case of Penta, he is in the early downside of his career, and mostly highlights his brother in tag matches. Please don't confuse this with me saying Penta is bad in the ring. 68 Bra, 74 tec is very good in ring stats.

-There's a bunch of broadcaster issues you just pointed out the rabbit hole to, Thank you so much, this is a huge catch I'll be working on this immediately.

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