DV8 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Can someone enlighten me on this process? I'm using TapOrSnap #6, and have kept a watchful eye on many UFC contracted fighters. Is it possible to give workers a contract offer that are coming out of contract? In my attempts to sign away some fighters I'm told that I cannot negotiate with them as they are under a Set Premier contract (with one fight remaining). Then I'm advised via the news ticker that they have resigned with the UFC. Is there a window of opportunity to extend an offer to these guys coming out of contract, or can you only take the fighters that say the UFC release? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted July 25, 2008 Author Share Posted July 25, 2008 I've found the search feature! From the looks of it, the answer to my question is no. Is there any chance of something like that being modified in a future patch or something? I mean the contract model as it is, is quite unrealistic - that fighters don't even entertain other offers before just resigning with their current employer, even if they could make a lot more money jumping ship, ala Affliction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neco Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Yes please fix that ASAP, because you an never sign any other fighters that have a premiercontract. Onlyi f they leave the organizaton, but that is because they are getting worse or they are not even good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grits207 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 [QUOTE=neco;467979]Yes please fix that ASAP, because you an never sign any other fighters that have a premiercontract. Onlyi f they leave the organizaton, but that is because they are getting worse or they are not even good.[/QUOTE] I agree it sucks to not be able to get top level free agents but it wouldn't be realistic to allow promotions to negotiate with fighters before their contracts are up. Hell when Andrei Arlovski left the UFC he could only talk to the UFC for two months [B]after[/B] his contract expired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tag01 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 It would be a breach of contract as well as potential tort liability for a worker and a non-party to the contract to enter into contractual discussions before the contract is up. I think the current system is pretty realistic; the only UFC fighters that ever see free agency are ones in which Dana has decided the fighter's pay demands have eclipsed their usefulness. You're not going to see St. Pierre or Penn hit free agency while they are on a roll in real life, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neco Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Penn did that once, and went to Japan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanMMA09 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 GSP considered going to Affliction, but he's also looking to resign with UFC so meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifebleeder Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 You might not be allowed to have any official contract talks, but certainly other promotions can express interest in your abilities. Being able to express interest in a fighter so he can choose to stay or leave would be better then whats in right now. Right now your shut out if its a set premier. Even if your the number one promotion by a longshot, and a low number 5 has a guy on set premier, chances of you getting him are slim to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grits207 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I think it might be a good feature if you could choose to take a risk by approaching a fighter who is under a set premier contract. The risk would be that there is a chance you would get caught and the other promotion would sue you for a bunch of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuricex Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 This is definitely something that needs to be added to WMMA2. It sucks knowing that you will never get a good fighter unless they've lost a few times and have permanently hurt their image. People are saying it's realistic for fighters to not get contacted by other promotions while still under contract, but it's also realistic for fighters to take chances and leave their promotion in hopes of more money and fighting for a bigger organization. I hate how every great fighter always re-signs with GAMMA or Alpha-1 for lunch money when they could be getting a six-figure contracts from my promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin2k8 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 agreed this does need to be worked on for wmma 2 i like the idea of expressing interest because lets face it if a fighter was with number 5 promotion and he knows he can fight with number 1 promotion he going to be leaving number 5 soon as his contract expires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I think if your promotion is larger you should be able to, this way it is realistic as fighters should want to move up and make more money. I like the expressing interest tactic, maye you can't offer them a contract while they are exclusive but if you are appealing enough the worker will listen to both offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=Tag01;468155]It would be a breach of contract as well as potential tort liability for a worker and a non-party to the contract to enter into contractual discussions before the contract is up. I think the current system is pretty realistic; the only UFC fighters that ever see free agency are ones in which Dana has decided the fighter's pay demands have eclipsed their usefulness. You're not going to see St. Pierre or Penn hit free agency while they are on a roll in real life, either.[/QUOTE] All correct...but...WMMA doesn't handle things correctly from the fighters side. Fighters on a Set Prem, with a 6 fight deal will resign for the same money without being used at all. So basically, they make $0 (except a signing bonus) for 24 months, then when that promotion offers them the same deal again for another 24 months, they say "Sure, why not?" There should be some sort of 'happiness' rating for each fighter you have under contract. You keep a fighter happy by giving him fights, bonuses, promoting him with action figures, baseball cards etc. If he is unhappy but on an exclusive contact then he can't just walk...but come contract negotiation time, if he isn't happy with the promoter he would be out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifebleeder Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Truth, maybe a combination of the two. A happiness rating, and a show interest tactic for larger promotions. Cause let's face it, I could be perfectly happy at my current job, but if another place is willing to pay me twice as much, I'm probably jumping ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Kapur Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 No, what I think is garbage is how when I have a fighter on an open contract and he's with another org and the contract with another org is gonna be up soon, I book the guy for a fight, but he still is able to re-sign with the other org....but I can't do the same if another org books him for a fight...pisses me off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blslivewire Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 I also wish you could lure fighters out of retirement. I had Chuck Liddle retire with a Massive fight on the table. I offered him millions in guaranted money but he wouldn't come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkflow Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 the whole contract negotation system needs a lil improving theres also the issue when a fighter leaves ur organization they dont wanna resign tiill i a certain peroid of time i think that shouldnt be done for every single fighter it should vary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFC-KING Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 The waiting time is usually a year, and that does suck quite a bit, because you could have someone you accidentally forgot to resign, half to wait a year, and potentially lose him to another org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkflow Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Also it would be cool if u could Subtitle your TV shows For Example UFC Fight Night : Sherk vs Penn That would be cool to have that option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFC-KING Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 [QUOTE=drkflow;500969]Also it would be cool if u could Subtitle your TV shows For Example UFC Fight Night : Sherk vs Penn That would be cool to have that option[/QUOTE] I just alter the details every show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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