The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[BHK1978]

<p>Little bit late on this but, I find it funny when fans complain about Torrie Wilson entering into the HOF. As if her going in somehow taints such a glorious institution. </p><p> </p><p>

I wonder how many of these fans know that Vince McMahon Sr.'s limo driver is also in the HOF.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Little bit late on this but, I find it funny when fans complain about Torrie Wilson entering into the HOF. As if her going in somehow taints such a glorious institution. <p> </p><p> I wonder how many of these fans know that Vince McMahon Sr.'s limo driver is also in the HOF.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Bit mean to call Dudley a limo driver, he was also a building runner, ran TV shows, and was a negro league ballplayer. Dude was also a 38-time grandfather. That's worthy of the hall of fame in my book.</p><p> </p><p> Torrie Wilson corpsed once and had a bra and panties match with Stacey Keibler once, and killed about 4 peoples careers with her terrible acting.</p>

[Jaysin]

The Viking Experience? Really?

[Warhawk8492]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Viking Experience? Really?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Very cringe worthy and makes it clear WWE tends to drop the ball with most of their NXT call ups.</p>

[milamber]

<p>What the hell did Vince do to War Raiders and why does he keep calling up NXT talent while they hold titles?</p><p> </p><p>

<img alt="giphy.gif" data-src="https://media0.giphy.com/media/sIlHfE2wu1xFS/giphy.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Balor vs Andrade and Moment of Bliss with Sami Zayn were the best parts of Raw.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What the hell did Vince do to War Raiders and why does he keep calling up NXT talent while they hold titles?<p> </p><p> <img alt="giphy.gif" data-src="https://media0.giphy.com/media/sIlHfE2wu1xFS/giphy.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Balor vs Andrade and Moment of Bliss with Sami Zayn were the best parts of Raw.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Listen to Sami Zayn's promos, and understand that's Vince McMahon talking through Sami Zayn. Also, he doesn't watch NXT, and he actively hates fans who watch "developmental" wrestling. We've seen this many times. The first time he sees these guys is when they get called up. See "The Ascension" push, and many other examples. NXT has like 4 weeks of canned TV with the War Raiders on it and guess who's going to probably have to redub all their matches on a Vince insanity whim? </p><p> </p><p> There is a reason my wallet is open for AEW right now. I'm sick of this seeping ---- from a crazy 80-year-old billionaire who is actively trying to kill his own company and can't.</p><p> </p><p> Also, Dean Ambrose is booked for three more shows, Ghost Hunter Dean Ambrose where he jobs to a doll and the new gooker could happen.</p>

[MightyDavidson]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Warhawk8492" data-cite="Warhawk8492" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Very cringe worthy and makes it clear WWE tends to drop the ball with most of their NXT call ups.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Calling them Ivor and Eric doesn't exactly help either.</p>

[Warhawk8492]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MightyDavidson" data-cite="MightyDavidson" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Calling them Ivor and Eric doesn't exactly help either.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No it does not, I facepalmed when I saw what they did to them.</p>

[MightyDavidson]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Warhawk8492" data-cite="Warhawk8492" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No it does not, I facepalmed when I saw what they did to them.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Recently saw a picture of their new look, probably shouldn't be surprise they gave them ugly helmets with horns on them in addition to the crappy names.<img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[milamber]

<p>Boss n Hug and Sky Pirates got broken up before we got a match between them <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Add that to the list of reasons why Sasha went AWOL.</p><p> </p><p>

At least Asuka & Kairi didn't get a stupid tag team name... yet.</p>

[Makhai]

Boss n Hug and Sky Pirates got broken up before we got a match between them Add that to the list of reasons why Sasha went AWOL.

 

At least Asuka & Kairi didn't get a stupid tag team name... yet.

 

The Yacht Pirates with a full gear change for Asuka coming soon to Main Event.

[milamber]

Dream vs Murphy was a Takeover quality match. Shayna & Kairi were given less than 10 minutes but managed to put on a good title match. The ending set up Io vs Shayna perfectly.

 

Now time to catch up on the Worlds Collide shows.

[scmurph01]

Recently saw a picture of their new look, probably shouldn't be surprise they gave them ugly helmets with horns on them in addition to the crappy names.

 

The helmets are the same ones they wore at the last Takeover event. The name change is awful though.

[MightyDavidson]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="scmurph01" data-cite="scmurph01" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The helmets are the same ones they wore at the last Takeover event. The name change is awful though.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I stand corrected. They're still ugly helmets though.</p>

[Makhai]

Anybody see that VICE clown show? All the "it was a work" people are out in full force believing Scott Hall and Vince Russo. I sometimes wonder if this world is worth saving.

[Greylocke]

<p>Well, I kept away from wrestling-related forums/topics for close to 2 weeks so that I can watch WrestleMania on delayed schedule without accidentally reading spoilers....turns out it was a waste of time. They had ONE good storyline going into WM and they went and f**ked it up and gave f**king Shane McMahon the win. The Miz was in a different kind of success story going from a "reality TV reject" who toiled for years to earn the respect of those who were in the wrestling business their whole life. It was a refreshing change from the slew of Daniel Bryan/Johnny Gargano/Aj Styles working-their-way-up-from-the-independents tale, and they had to ruin it. To put over a non-wrestler, of all things. You can tell it really deflated the crowd. They were so quiet in the next match that they hardly even reacted to Nattie's double-Sharpshooter, which would have gained a big pop on any other night. Good thing Bryan vs Kofi was good enough to pull the crowd back.</p><p> </p><p>

That's it, no more WWE programs for me until next year's WM. Sick of being let down by this company.</p><p> </p><p>

Pretty much the only thing done right that night was Kofi vs Bryan. That was a pleasant surprise, the match was booked to perfection. Zero McMahon involvement (for once), unnecessary ringside interference/shenanigans was kept to a minimum (having 3 people at ringside worried me for a while, but they all play their little parts well, with no overbooking), intense back-and-forth action that keeps the crowd invested throughout the entire bout, and Kofi finally gets to walk out proudly with a clean-as-sheet win, unlike Becky. You can tell this was the peak of the event, since the crowd was pretty much dead for everything after that, even the main event. This would have been the perfect way to end the night, but of course, the WWE was obsessed with FIRST TIME EVER HISTORY MAKING WOMEN'S REVOLUTION which takes precedence irregardless of quality.</p><p> </p><p>

For more than a decade we've had John Cena getting booed by majority of the crowd at WM, and for once almost everyone wants him to be involved in something: Kurt Angle's farewell match, and they gave it to Baron Corbin. But then, considering this match got like 5 minutes, I guess I'd have turned down the match if I were Cena. Feel bad for Angle that he had to go out this way. I bet no one even remembers anything about this match 3 months later.</p><p> </p><p>

You know what match would have benefited from having less than 5 minutes? Roman Reigns vs Drew McIntyre. That was a 10-minute bore-fest that didn't do any favours to the already-dead crowd.</p><p> </p><p>

Making Balor vs Lashley less than 5 minutes was a good decision, though. That short compact match was actually better than any of their previous encounters thus far. Not that it says a lot. Lashley actually looked scarier with his green contact-lenses compared to Finn's goofy cartoonish demon-paint.</p>

[Blackman]

Bunch of bad decisions lately. I wasn't really thrilled with the main event of Mania. And I saw in WWE weekly that Lacey Evans, some new "opener", is interacting with the main event winner. Right... makes total sense.

 

No. Doesn't look like I'll be continuing my subscription (though I'll find a reason to continue ).

[Warhawk8492]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bunch of bad decisions lately. I wasn't really thrilled with the main event of Mania. And I saw in WWE weekly that Lacey Evans, some new "opener", is interacting with the main event winner. Right... makes total sense.<p> </p><p> No. Doesn't look like I'll be continuing my subscription (though I'll find a reason to continue <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Apparently Vince is high on her.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Warhawk8492" data-cite="Warhawk8492" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Apparently Vince is high on her.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> From the story I've heard, she's a former high-level ex-military girl who knocked it dead during a tryout telling her story and everybody fell in love with her and so they gave her a suffragette character and haven't once had her tell her story on air because then somebody might like her. And instead, are letting her kill people with moonsaults on national TV. So they can put her in the ring to have a s--- match with their new top babyface. Realize she's green as grass, blame her for not "grabbing the ring, brother" and cut her loose by June.</p><p> </p><p> This is the WWE.</p>

[milamber]

<p>Viking Raiders is an improvement but their finisher is called The Viking Experience LOL.</p><p> </p><p>

Bray Wyatt's new gimmick is so weird it works for me. Just keep Vince away from the writing or he'll suck all the subtlety out of it, stick him with what's left of Sanity and turn him heel in no time.</p>

[Derek B]

<p>The Bray Wyatt thing was.... bizarre. But in a way that could be interesting depending on how it plays out. I still want to see him unite with Bo.... Bray used to lead people with darkness and manipulation, Bo used to lead them with optimism and hope.... and both ended up angry and snapping on anyone who opposed them to varying degrees of success. They should play up the family aspect and work together on something weird and wonderful together. I think they could really make it work if they were given the chance to shine.....</p><p> </p><p>

Another thing to note is that the buzzard and the witch may both be hinting at his future new sidekicks. I tried to ID the voices being used for them but I couldn't pick out who they could be. If Bray is going to go back to having a stable I find it interesting that he's got a male and a female in the mix this time, which would also be very good for adding something interesting to the women's division. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Bray Wyatt thing was.... bizarre. But in a way that could be interesting depending on how it plays out. I still want to see him unite with Bo.... Bray used to lead people with darkness and manipulation, Bo used to lead them with optimism and hope.... and both ended up angry and snapping on anyone who opposed them to varying degrees of success. They should play up the family aspect and work together on something weird and wonderful together. I think they could really make it work if they were given the chance to shine.....<p> </p><p> Another thing to note is that the buzzard and the witch may both be hinting at his future new sidekicks. I tried to ID the voices being used for them but I couldn't pick out who they could be. If Bray is going to go back to having a stable I find it interesting that he's got a male and a female in the mix this time, which would also be very good for adding something interesting to the women's division. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think they're going with a split personality gimmick based on the Malek character from Mr. Robot. That show even has a goofy episode in season 2 just like this. Could he get personifications of those personalities? Sure. But that's the immediate thought I had when I saw this, and if so. This is the most ingenious thing they've done in a while. Mercy represents his debut gimmick(Waylon Mercy) and Pammy the Witch is the Eater of World's Bray Wyatt with the exploding rocking chair.</p>

[Mootinie]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Bray Wyatt thing was.... bizarre. But in a way that could be interesting depending on how it plays out. I still want to see him unite with Bo.... Bray used to lead people with darkness and manipulation, Bo used to lead them with optimism and hope.... and both ended up angry and snapping on anyone who opposed them to varying degrees of success. They should play up the family aspect and work together on something weird and wonderful together. I think they could really make it work if they were given the chance to shine.....<p> </p><p> Another thing to note is that the buzzard and the witch may both be hinting at his future new sidekicks. I tried to ID the voices being used for them but I couldn't pick out who they could be. If Bray is going to go back to having a stable I find it interesting that he's got a male and a female in the mix this time, which would also be very good for adding something interesting to the women's division. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I haven't seen it but my first thought based on what you said was Nikki Cross, Eric Young and/or Killian Dain as the sidekicks. Sanity have done nothing since being called up, may as well stick them with Bray to give them some new life.</p>

[panix04]

<p>Is it wrong that I really like how they have built up Lacey Evans? I actually think her accent makes her stand out as a performer. Her Mic skills are solid. You can learn to be good in the ring. Trish Stratus was garbage when she first left T&A and became pretty much the GOAT.</p><p> </p><p>

At first play I didn't know what to make of Bray's first proper re-debut. But I have watched it again and it has massive potential. When he is cut loose Bray is totally captivating. I loved his nxt persona the best though, the paranormal nonsense was dire. I know the WWE were trying to push him as the new 'taker, but it was more Viscera! His promos became nonsensical in a bad way and having him job to everyone just killed him. </p><p> </p><p>

Fair play he's in great shape and hopefully that will translate to his ring work. I hope they ditch the spider walk thing, it's ---- and scares literally nobody. Bring back his schtick where he picks up their limp body and waltzes around the ring. That was eerie!</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="panix04" data-cite="panix04" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Is it wrong that I really like how they have built up Lacey Evans? I actually think her accent makes her stand out as a performer. Her Mic skills are solid. You can learn to be good in the ring. Trish Stratus was garbage when she first left T&A and became pretty much the GOAT.<p> </p><p> At first play I didn't know what to make of Bray's first proper re-debut. But I have watched it again and it has massive potential. When he is cut loose Bray is totally captivating. I loved his nxt persona the best though, the paranormal nonsense was dire. I know the WWE were trying to push him as the new 'taker, but it was more Viscera! His promos became nonsensical in a bad way and having him job to everyone just killed him. </p><p> </p><p> Fair play he's in great shape and hopefully that will translate to his ring work. I hope they ditch the spider walk thing, it's ---- and scares literally nobody. Bring back his schtick where he picks up their limp body and waltzes around the ring. That was eerie!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The build would be fine, for 2005 when nobody mattered and she could wrestle Jenna Marasca or w/e and do w/e. Today, with the caliber of wrestler you need to be to get up on top of the women's division she's not up to caliber and is being hung out to dry and I feel bad for her because there's nowhere to go but down from here, unless she wins clean, and then everybody should walk out. </p><p> </p><p> She should be in NXT right now, in the performance center learning how to not almost kill someone with a moonsault. If you want to get her over you can have crews follow her around backstage, out of character, and you can have her tell that story that they loved so much. You can let her talk about her service on social media, and you can do a ton of stuff like that so that when she's ready, you can give her a clean, fair shake.</p><p> </p><p> Throwing a girl with no wrestling background, minimal training, and a ridiculous gimmick in with the 2nd or 3rd most over person in the company who got over by burying stuff like this is not a clean, fair shake. It's how you sabotage somebody you don't like, but are doing a favor for somebody else you do.</p>