The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Hyde Hill]

If sabataged comes in and jumps on your head for your "ridiculous TNA bias",you deserve it for this post...

 

Jarrett

 

Dusty and Ole weren't terrible, but they also never evolved or changed.

 

I just named some I know out of the top of my head and did not mean I was in support of them being underrated, plus you can argue both Jarrett's hehe. Not my fault that a lot of them are/where in TNA. Kreski was WWE and I did not mention D'Amore as I don't feel he is underrated.

[Hyde Hill]

I really dont think their is such a thing as a "under rated" booker. Because all bookers will only ever make half the fans happy while the other half will sh*t all over them. plus their will always be someone who thinks they know better (Jim Cornette anyone?)

 

Most bookers arent remembered for the good booking they did, only the bad stuff.

 

I think there kinda is such a thing as the bad ones according to some get mention, (WCW Russo, WCW Watts) and the good ones in some peoples eyes (Heyman, Cornette) but some like Kreski who was really good never get any mention anywhere.

[sabataged]

 

Thanks to Nuke Graham for sending this in:

 

Colby Lopez, the former Tyler Black in Ring of Honor, made his long awaited WWE developmental in ring debut Thursday night in Tampa at an FCW Arena live event. Lopez was introduced as “Zack Rollins” in his loss to NXT season 2 finalist Michael McGillicutty.

 

Rollins and McGillicutty had a solid back and forth match with McGillicutty getting the pinfall. The FCW Arena crowd gave both combatants a standing ovation after the grueling contest.

 

Zack Rollins huh? Not horrible I guess

[SaySo]

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Excuse me, may i have your attention please. I just received a breaking news update from a former ROH World Champion. It read as I quote:

 

Former ROH Champion Tyler Black noted on his Twitter page that his "possible name change" is to Seth Rollins, not Zach Rollins as apparently had been reported. "Good first night in an FCW right," Black wrote. "New name, fresh start. I'll change the Twitter when it gets confirmed. To read more from Black, visit Twitter.com/WWEBlack.

 

I like to finish this off by saying that the following quote was paid for by you, the WWE Universe. Let's give them a hand and taunt, "You can't see me!"

[masterded]

Good, Seth Rollins rolls off the tongue much more easily then Zach Rollins.

[supershot]

Zach Black rolls off the tongue better than both of them and somewhat stays true to his original name.

[ChrisKid]

Zach Black rolls off the tongue better than both of them and somewhat stays true to his original name.

 

Zach Black = Awesome

[jwt13]

just saw the raw rating ouch Vince must be pissed in the 2's even with MNF is terriable for the E they dont usaly have this problem with MNF

[crownsy]

just saw the raw rating ouch Vince must be pissed in the 2's even with MNF is terriable for the E they dont usaly have this problem with MNF

 

Thy normally aren't putting on a taped show that everyone new was terrible a week ago vs. The 5th highest rated MNF of all time. Recipe for disaster right there.

 

Smackdown was alright, though it felt like raw with all the promos and short matches

 

Liked:

 

Jack swaggers promo, the mascot is epic, he should keep that thing for at least a month or two. Not sure one man is capable of ridding the wwe of stupid pg ridiculousness edge, but good luck

 

Really enjoying the return of Paul bearer, though it sucks they had to throw punk to the wolves. At least they made punk out to be a top star and on a role through the commentary. They need to find something for punk to do quickly post he'll in a cell though

 

Del rio still killing it, nice promo with the dog. Also like that they aren't letting the babyface get revenge right out tube gate

 

 

Disliked

 

If your going to toss the ic title match under the bus for the nexus, can we at least pretend it's a big deal? You would have though the nexus had ruined a match between jtg and Vance archer for all the intestrest the commentary team showed

 

 

Big show 5-1 was alright, but I'll say it again, give me a compelling heel turn storyline for Cena or break these guys up. Without skip, I barley care about 2 of them, wade Barrett is good and target and outuga are god awful. Creative finsh to the handicap match but overall I grow less and less interested every week. Nice landing on hat second 450 btw

[jwt13]

Thy normally aren't putting on a taped show that everyone new was terrible a week ago vs. The 5th highest rated MNF of all time. Recipe for disaster right there.

 

Smackdown was alright, though it felt like raw with all the promos and short matches

 

Liked:

 

Jack swaggers promo, the mascot is epic, he should keep that thing for at least a month or two. Not sure one man is capable of ridding the wwe of stupid pg ridiculousness edge, but good luck

 

Really enjoying the return of Paul bearer, though it sucks they had to throw punk to the wolves. At least they made punk out to be a top star and on a role through the commentary. They need to find something for punk to do quickly post he'll in a cell though

 

Del rio still killing it, nice promo with the dog. Also like that they aren't letting the babyface get revenge right out tube gate

 

 

Disliked

 

If your going to toss the ic title match under the bus for the nexus, can we at least pretend it's a big deal? You would have though the nexus had ruined a match between jtg and Vance archer for all the intestrest the commentary team showed

 

 

Big show 5-1 was alright, but I'll say it again, give me a compelling heel turn storyline for Cena or break these guys up. Without skip, I barley care about 2 of them, wade Barrett is good and target and outuga are god awful. Creative finsh to the handicap match but overall I grow less and less interested every week. Nice landing on hat second 450 btw

 

But its the second straight week Raw has been in the 2.0's if im not mistaken. But I agree Raw was terriable but Smackdown was OK the thing that botered me was WWE trying to bring back what they once had with NXTUS they used them way too much. Plus did JG get hurt doingthat 460 on Big Show the first one before he botched the second one?

[djthefunkchris]

But its the second straight week Raw has been in the 2.0's if im not mistaken. But I agree Raw was terriable but Smackdown was OK the thing that botered me was WWE trying to bring back what they once had with NXTUS they used them way too much. Plus did JG get hurt doingthat 460 on Big Show the first one before he botched the second one?

 

I don't think he's hurt, but my wife said the same thing... "Good, you hurt yourself, leave my baby alone!" That's what my wife said, lol. She thinks Mark Henry and Big Show are cute (even when they were bad guys), and talks about them as if they are 15 or something. "Look at that, they have a guy on both his legs and arms, and he can't move, poor baby."

 

I love watching with her, lol.

[Wrestling Century]

IMO that was a decent Smackdown. I like Smackdown better than Raw, and I've only been able to see it occansionaly (ie when I go on vacation to a hotel etc.) since I didn't have the channel it used to air on, but now that it is on SyFy I can watch it every week.

[djthefunkchris]

IMO that was a decent Smackdown. I like Smackdown better than Raw, and I've only been able to see it occansionaly (ie when I go on vacation to a hotel etc.) since I didn't have the channel it used to air on, but now that it is on SyFy I can watch it every week.

 

You do realise that you can catch them on WWE.com as well. The only show I haven't been able to find there is Raw, but it might even be available under the channels shows over the internet.

 

Kind of like Smallville... Haven't been able to watch it in like months, but I'm caught up except last weeks show. I'm going to watch that sometime this week on the WE's websight.

[dvdWarrior]

You do realise that you can catch them on WWE.com as well. The only show I haven't been able to find there is Raw, but it might even be available under the channels shows over the internet.

 

Kind of like Smallville... Haven't been able to watch it in like months, but I'm caught up except last weeks show. I'm going to watch that sometime this week on the WE's websight.

 

SmackDown! is on the Hulu as well.

 

[Tha Black Phenom]

Striker's line "hide your wife, hide your kids, The Undertaker is back!" was priceless.

[Wrestling Century]

Oh, I didn't know that you could watch it on Hulu.com and WWE.com! That means that I missed a bunch of Smackdown episodes that I could've watched! Darn it!

[ampulator]

I don't think he's hurt, but my wife said the same thing... "Good, you hurt yourself, leave my baby alone!" That's what my wife said, lol. She thinks Mark Henry and Big Show are cute (even when they were bad guys), and talks about them as if they are 15 or something. "Look at that, they have a guy on both his legs and arms, and he can't move, poor baby."

 

I love watching with her, lol.

The thing is, both of them come off as natural babyfaces. They have this "cherub" like demeanor... until someone angers them.

 

On a related note, isn't Glen Jacobs was, and still is, one of the better workers in the WWE. The guy plays his gimmick to perfection... mask or no mask, face or heel. The guy can wrestle a decent match on top of that.

 

His gimmick is one those gimmicks that are SUPPOSED to be call "Wrestlecrap"... but isn't. Just the sheer amount of crap he's been in, yet surviving or moving past him, almost makes him like Teflon.

 

Need an evil heel for a babyface to take down? Get Kane.

Need a badass face to take out a bunch of heels? Get Kane.

Need someone to clean house in general? Get Kane.

Need someone to put a promising up-and-coming over, making the other person look good, yet losing little? Get Kane.

[djthefunkchris]

The thing is, both of them come off as natural babyfaces. They have this "cherub" like demeanor... until someone angers them.

 

On a related note, isn't Glen Jacobs was, and still is, one of the better workers in the WWE. The guy plays his gimmick to perfection... mask or no mask, face or heel. The guy can wrestle a decent match on top of that.

 

His gimmick is one those gimmicks that are SUPPOSED to be call "Wrestlecrap"... but isn't. Just the sheer amount of crap he's been in, yet surviving or moving past him, almost makes him like Teflon.

 

Need an evil heel for a babyface to take down? Get Kane.

Need a badass face to take out a bunch of heels? Get Kane.

Need someone to clean house in general? Get Kane.

Need someone to put a promising up-and-coming over, making the other person look good, yet losing little? Get Kane.

 

Yeah, I've always said he can easily move in between card positions, maybe better then anyone else. Mark Henry and Big Show can as well, but all it takes is one promo by Kane, and he's there. Totally awesome individual.

[dvdWarrior]

Oh, I didn't know that you could watch it on Hulu.com and WWE.com! That means that I missed a bunch of Smackdown episodes that I could've watched! Darn it!

 

I haven't checked lately, but I'm pretty sure most of them are still up on Hulu, so you could probably still watch them if you wanted to.

 

[Wrestling Century]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dvdWarrior" data-cite="dvdWarrior" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I haven't checked lately, but I'm pretty sure most of them are still up on Hulu, so you could probably still watch them if you wanted to.<p> </p><p> <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Awesome, I'll have to see if they are still on there! Thanks for the tip! <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[MasterJ]

So HIAC tonight I see a JoMo heel turn in the three way tonight anyone else see this happening

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MasterJ" data-cite="MasterJ" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So HIAC tonight I see a JoMo heel turn in the three way tonight anyone else see this happening</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why do you say that?</p><p> </p><p> I hope not to be honest... I find him far more entertaining as a good guy, then a bad guy. He just has a horrible demeaner as a bad guy, that makes me think "Fake" all the time. At least to me... Takes away from the whole thing... I love bad guys, but only if I can believe them. I can't believe him at all..</p><p> </p><p> I suppose practice makes perfect, so if they turn him again, he might get better... I don't know.</p>

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why do you say that?<p> </p><p> I hope not to be honest... I find him far more entertaining as a good guy, then a bad guy. He just has a horrible demeaner as a bad guy, that makes me think "Fake" all the time. At least to me... Takes away from the whole thing... I love bad guys, but only if I can believe them. I can't believe him at all..</p><p> </p><p> I suppose practice makes perfect, so if they turn him again, he might get better... I don't know.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> John's kinda in a catch 22 there.</p><p> </p><p> He is awful on the mic as a face, but entertaining as a heel.</p><p> </p><p> But his move set screams face, not heel.</p><p> </p><p> But man, he's awful on the mic as a face. so much so that it's keeping him solidly planted at the midcard level.</p><p> </p><p> His only good "face" promo was making fun of Jericho after his win, which really was sort of a heel move, kicking you opponent when there down.</p>

[Hyde Hill]

Heelish face? Kinda like Jericho's old face run's.

[LoNdOn]

<p>My money's on a Jericho/Orton match at Mania 27.</p><p> </p><p>

I don't know when but I think at some point in the not too distant future, they will turn Orton back fully to heel. He continues his tear through the RAW head honchos until Jericho returns at Elimination Chamber as a surprise entrant and eliminates him from the match. That allows for them to go one-on-one at the biggest show of the year with Jericho being the face.</p>