The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[milamber]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The funny thing is, no one knows how the match went... We weren't told. I would imagine Big Show probably knocked out someone on his team....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Big Show accidentally knocked out Tensai and Cena got the upset win. From what I gather, the pre-show dark matches are more serious (showcasing underused talent) and the post-show dark matches (like Cena v Show/Johhny/Tensai) are just a bit of bonus fun for the crowd.</p><p> </p><p> I can see how it wouldn't sit well with someone though. Personally, I just glance at dark match results occasionally to see if any new talent is being given a chance. I could care less otherwise.</p>

[milamber]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also, to another user that said he was glad Bryan finally beat punk (i think it was milamber, not sure though) i'll ask this: What tv show have you been watching? No offense, i might be wrong, but they recently had 4 tv matches and 1 ppv match and punk won only ONCE. On ppv. Bryan won (tainted or via DQ or something like that) on 2 smackdowns and the RAW match was a no contest. SO it's Bryan: 3 - Punk 1. And i don't understant why they did that. Punk should be heading these results, he's more over. I lkie both of them, but he's more over.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You got me. I've been watching too much wrestling (WWE, Chickara, ROH, WWF) lately that I've forgotten a lot of matches. I only remember the pre-feud 2 draws, Punk's win and Bryan's win. They have been making an effort to keep the feud fairly even (in terms of going toe-to-toe in the ring) to bring Bryan up to Punk's main event level, while keeping the belt on Punk.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You got me. I've been watching too much wrestling (WWE, Chickara, ROH, WWF) lately that I've forgotten a lot of matches. I only remember the pre-feud 2 draws, Punk's win and Bryan's win. They have been making an effort to keep the feud fairly even (in terms of going toe-to-toe in the ring) to bring Bryan up to Punk's main event level, while keeping the belt on Punk.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Are they really? I hope so, but i fear that when this is over, Bryan may end up droping to the midcards. Well, now that Orton is out of the picture he has more 60 days. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> :D <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

<p>Haven't people feared a Bryan depush for long enough now? <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Apparently, Tensai soured on officials around his victory over Cena & he was supposed to face him at Over the Limit. They're reportedly vying to repackage his character or something. Figured.</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<p>I guess I will comment on a couple of topics.</p><p> </p><p>

House Shows - Really? Have we ran out of things to complain about or something? They don't matter at all.</p><p> </p><p>

Big Show vs Cena - I don't think it is a given that Cena will win at all. We will see what happens.</p><p> </p><p>

D. Bryan Depush - If he gets depushed whatever. Most of us never expected him to reach this level. I am just happy I get to see him a couple of times a week and he is getting a lot of screen time. I think AJ will actually help him go over Punk to be honest.</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I guess I will comment on a couple of topics.<p> </p><p> House Shows - Really? Have we ran out of things to complain about or something? They don't matter at all.</p><p> </p><p> Big Show vs Cena - I don't think it is a given that Cena will win at all. We will see what happens.</p><p> </p><p> D. Bryan Depush - If he gets depushed whatever. Most of us never expected him to reach this level. I am just happy I get to see him a couple of times a week and he is getting a lot of screen time. I think AJ will actually help him go over Punk to be honest.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> AJ turning seems... obvious. WWE usually does the obvious. Hoping this is no different.</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>AJ turning seems... obvious. WWE usually does the obvious. Hoping this is no different.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think people claim WWE usually does the obvious but I don't think they actually do. I rarely see anyone predict what is going to happen before hand.</p><p> </p><p> Examples would be... </p><p> </p><p> Rock over Cena (everyone said Cena would win)</p><p> </p><p> Cena over Brock (everyone said Brock over Cena)</p><p> </p><p> Miz over Cena (everyone said Cena would win)</p><p> </p><p> D. Bryan will never be a main eventer (I don't know anyone who thought he would make it to where he is now)</p>

[djthefunkchris]

/nod. I've yet to see anyone actually predict anything that wasn't a given, although some close ones. Getting one out of three isn't really saying much.

[LoNdOn]

Orton has been suspended for 60 days. Second wellness policy violation.

[Astil]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoNdOn" data-cite="LoNdOn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Orton has been suspended for 60 days. Second wellness policy violation.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> 5th suspension overall iirc.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>AJ turning seems... obvious. WWE usually does the obvious. Hoping this is no different.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think you're right, but i'm hoping they don't do the obvious, as i'm liking her interaction with Punk. But it does look like a turn. Although her helping Bryan go over Punk would mean...Bryan WWE Champ! That would be super!</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think people claim WWE usually does the obvious but I don't think they actually do. I rarely see anyone predict what is going to happen before hand.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There's the "obvious" outcome and the "predictable" outcome. That's almost what its come down to. Because when a storyline goes on, people through forums will predict every flippin corner of what may happen throughout it.</p><p> </p><p> The female manager taking sides. it's a classic tale. I'm just waiting to see which of two of my favorite wrestlers is gonna come out on top.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There's the "obvious" outcome and the "predictable" outcome. That's almost what its come down to. Because when a storyline goes on, people through forums will predict every flippin corner of what may happen throughout it.<p> </p><p> The female manager taking sides. it's a classic tale. I'm just waiting to see which of two of my favorite wrestlers is gonna come out on top.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Amen! And a lot of people have actually predicted a lot of what they have done. Although i admit they are less predictable then 2 or 3 years ago, and that's good.</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think people claim WWE usually does the obvious but I don't think they actually do. I rarely see anyone predict what is going to happen before hand.<p> </p><p> Examples would be... </p><p> </p><p> Rock over Cena (everyone said Cena would win)</p><p> </p><p> Cena over Brock (everyone said Brock over Cena)</p><p> </p><p> Miz over Cena (everyone said Cena would win)</p><p> </p><p> D. Bryan will never be a main eventer (I don't know anyone who thought he would make it to where he is now)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To be fair, a lot of people figured Rock would win. Especially after it was announced that he'd resigned again and was going to be taking part in next year's Mania.</p>

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>AJ turning seems... obvious. WWE usually does the obvious. Hoping this is no different.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Beyond the fact that this has already been proven false in plenty of recent history (and for more, who called Kane to go over Randy Orton at WM?), the truth is, a well-told story generally <em>is</em> predictable to anyone who is familiar with a certain type of story and recognizes it as it's happening. </p><p> </p><p> If the choices are being predictable 60% of the time, or nonsensical WCW 2000 style swerves, I'll choose predictability every time.</p>

[Arrows]

<p>I just wish they didn't make things SO obvious.</p><p> </p><p>

Like the Big Show thing. When he got "fired", you kinda knew he wasn't going to be gone long, and that the road back to his job would be through helping Big Johnny. Fine. Sometimes stuff's just, gonna make sense.</p><p> </p><p>

Once they announced that no one on the roster could help Johnny or they'd be terminated, they might as well have tacked on ", but you just fired a guy, so it'll be him who helps. Can't be terminated if you don't have a job."</p><p> </p><p>

I'd really like to see them reveal that Johnny has a stooge in the board leaking him this information, and that the entire firing thing was all a set up to get to this point, and not just Big Johnny getting what can only be described as insanely lucky to have done just the exact thing he needed to do to have any chance at all, without knowing.</p><p> </p><p>

The worst part is, they caught people in the crowd who were surprised. I'm ashamed of the fact that those people are allowed to have a vote in regards to anything to do with the United States.</p>

[Fleisch]

<p>I just seriously can't watch Raw, or WWE in general at the moment. I absolutely HATE "Big Johnny" and I don't mean the heat where you want to see him get beaten up, I mean the sort of heat where I just don't want to see him on TV.,He is just a cheap (bad acting - boring) Mr McMahon! Authority vs. Superstar is absolutely pointless when you've already pulled it off brilliantly in the past (McMahon/Austin). </p><p> </p><p>

I don't mind storylines being re-used because they are in every form of entertainment at one point or another, but I do take issue when it's done a thousand times worse than the original, 100 times worse than the time after that, or 100 times worse than the third rehash... or 4th... or 5th... and so on.</p><p> </p><p>

Let's face the facts with Punk and Daniels, they are amazing wrestlers, I love both of their work and have followed both their careers for years outside WWE, but, Punk said it himself he's not a "WWE guy" and neither is Daniel Bryan, and no doubt they'll be the ones that are blamed for WWE's ratings drop, kind of a "we know better than the fans and this proves it".</p><p> </p><p>

There is so much potential on the roster, but it isn't being used. Dolph Ziggler has the potential to be a top heel in the company, Jack Swagger as well. There is a place on the roster for the likes of Santino etc too (after all it is entertainment) but the writers are becoming increasingly more lazy and less creative as the years go by. Problem is, if they keep relying on Cena and Orton, and part timers such as HHH and Taker, they're going to find themselves with no one in a few years who can sell out an arena. Someone said about CM Punk being the first Mid-Card Champion, and that is exactly how they seem to have booked him... but Sheamus is the first "Opener" Champion because he is currently just being thrown into random matches. The titles in WWE mean nothing. To hold the belt is moot and this I believe is another reason WWE can't create any new Hogans/Harts/Rocks/Austins/HBKs/HHHs/Takers etc because the belts meant something when these guys were at their best, even when Jericho or Brock held the belts they meant more or Eddie and Benoit. Now the WWE Championship looks like a toy, and the "Big Gold" belt is being used as a prop.</p><p> </p><p>

I know not everyone will agree (it'd be a pretty boring world if we all agreed and thought the same), but those are my thoughts on the matter.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just seriously can't watch Raw, or WWE in general at the moment. I absolutely HATE "Big Johnny" and I don't mean the heat where you want to see him get beaten up, I mean the sort of heat where I just don't want to see him on TV.,He is just a cheap (bad acting - boring) Mr McMahon! Authority vs. Superstar is absolutely pointless when you've already pulled it off brilliantly in the past (McMahon/Austin). <p> </p><p> I don't mind storylines being re-used because they are in every form of entertainment at one point or another, but I do take issue when it's done a thousand times worse than the original, 100 times worse than the time after that, or 100 times worse than the third rehash... or 4th... or 5th... and so on.</p><p> </p><p> Let's face the facts with Punk and Daniels, they are amazing wrestlers, I love both of their work and have followed both their careers for years outside WWE, but, Punk said it himself he's not a "WWE guy" and neither is Daniel Bryan, and no doubt they'll be the ones that are blamed for WWE's ratings drop, kind of a "we know better than the fans and this proves it".</p><p> </p><p> There is so much potential on the roster, but it isn't being used. Dolph Ziggler has the potential to be a top heel in the company, Jack Swagger as well. There is a place on the roster for the likes of Santino etc too (after all it is entertainment) but the writers are becoming increasingly more lazy and less creative as the years go by. Problem is, if they keep relying on Cena and Orton, and part timers such as HHH and Taker, they're going to find themselves with no one in a few years who can sell out an arena. Someone said about CM Punk being the first Mid-Card Champion, and that is exactly how they seem to have booked him... but Sheamus is the first "Opener" Champion because he is currently just being thrown into random matches. The titles in WWE mean nothing. To hold the belt is moot and this I believe is another reason WWE can't create any new Hogans/Harts/Rocks/Austins/HBKs/HHHs/Takers etc because the belts meant something when these guys were at their best, even when Jericho or Brock held the belts they meant more or Eddie and Benoit. Now the WWE Championship looks like a toy, and the "Big Gold" belt is being used as a prop.</p><p> </p><p> I know not everyone will agree (it'd be a pretty boring world if we all agreed and thought the same), but those are my thoughts on the matter.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You got my vote on big johnny and title belts. Repeating stories is necessary as there is only a limited amount of them to tell, let's face it, but they could do it better. Punk and Sheamus, you're right about that. As i like Punk, i find it insane how they are booking him in some aspects. As for Sheamus, i don't dislike him, but i kind of got bored of him so i couldn't care less if he's an opener champion.</p><p> </p><p> The tiles part? Totally agree. Holding the title use to be "being THE MAN", and now?? Not so much. Having Dolph Ziggler as champion for one night and then sending him back to midcards is only one example of how to ruin prestige for a title. Regardless of his skills and talent, which i'm not questioning. I know that there is much more in wrestling then just titles, but when the titles are not taken care of properly, the rest kind of falls apart eventually. And if they don't start to push a new generation, well...Cena, Orton, Taker, HHH, are guys that won't last forever. And until i see it happen, i have my doubts that Punk or Bryan are on those pushes for the long term. Because company that creates the wonderful Tensai, makes him win CENA (CENA!!!) and Punk (THE WWE CHAMP)...the company that actually puts Tensai over their 2 top draws atm, and one of their biggest in the last decade...is probably going to ruin their push, even if they don't want to. I mean...Tensai beating Cena?? Hell, i hate Cena and even i think that's ridiculous! Get a good character to beat Cena, or Punk or Orton, someone that can back it up and will actually gain from the rub. Not TENSAI, for crying out loud! TENSAI i say!!!! Preposterous! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> :D <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[mike b]

<p>Question.</p><p> </p><p>

If as the WWE board of directors stated that in the Cena vs John Laurinaitis match that if any WWE superstar got involved that they would be fired, should not the Big Show be fired??</p><p> </p><p>

He was after all hired back on Saturday just before the event and put back on the roster, making him an active superstar.</p><p> </p><p>

Am i missing something here or are the WWE story writers blind and daff</p><p> </p><p>

I am sure that i am not the only one who thought of this.</p><p> </p><p>

Or am i blind and daff:p:p</p>

[Hyde Hill]

They where blind and daft and attempted a save that Show had only a verbal agreement on Saturday and only got to sign officially after the match, I think Cole was instructed to say something along those lines.

[milamber]

<p>Sin Cara looked a little sluggish in his SD return. Still, the SD midcard is a bit weak so he could help if creative bother to put him in proper feuds this time.</p><p> </p><p>

Anyone know when Barrett, Gabriel and DiBiase are back?</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sin Cara looked a little sluggish in his SD return. Still, the SD midcard is a bit weak so he could help if creative bother to put him in proper feuds this time.<p> </p><p> Anyone know when Barrett, Gabriel and DiBiase are back?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When hasn't he looked slugish since leaving Mexico? Please linke me to those performances. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They where blind and daft and attempted a save that Show had only a verbal agreement on Saturday and only got to sign officially after the match, I think Cole was instructed to say something along those lines.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I understand that a TEW player could make this kind of mistake (well, i don't, most TEW players book better then the WWE writers), because a TEW player is ONE. But a company with dozens of creative minds and no one noticed this? They needed to fill that mistake with Michael Cole trying to make it look casual, when we really realized he was trying to clean the mess his bosses did? My God! Is this laziness, stupidity, or they just don't give a crap about the fans??? I'm a consumer, i have the right to know! Too bad i'll never know!</p>

[Fleisch]

Sin Cara needs to don the Mistico mask, wipe his arse with the Sin Cara mask before heading back to Mexico and telling WWE to shove their contract. This is killing his career and he needs to head on back down South of the border and try to save as much of his reputation as possible. On paper, Mistico/Sin Cara in WWE could be awesome, in reality he just doesn't fit the WWE style (not saying that's a bad thing). He's never going to be more than a 5 minute midcarder in WWE in my humble opinion.

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sin Cara needs to don the Mistico mask, wipe his arse with the Sin Cara mask before heading back to Mexico and telling WWE to shove their contract. This is killing his career and he needs to head on back down South of the border and try to save as much of his reputation as possible. On paper, Mistico/Sin Cara in WWE could be awesome, in reality he just doesn't fit the WWE style (not saying that's a bad thing). He's never going to be more than a 5 minute midcarder in WWE in my humble opinion.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agree. Sadliy, i must say, but i agree.</p>