The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[juggaloninjalee]

I don't think Hulk Hogan is gay or has any gay tendencies. The only reason Linda says that is because she is pissed and insecure because Hogan has a hot new woman. Plus the whole Warrior interview put the idea out there.

[Teh_Showtime]

I read somewhere that Brooke Hogan was pissed because people say she slept with her dad.

[Fantabulous]

I read somewhere that Brooke Hogan was pissed because people say she slept with her dad.

 

Whatever gave them that idea...

 

http://www.lionsdenu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/hulk_brookehogan.jpg

[BHK1978]

I didn't bring that up, but since you did... Yeah, he's headlining on Smackdown and pulling better ratings then TNA is. So it wasn't his fault they didn't draw on TNA, then or now.

 

Not necessarily the truth, of course Smackdown is doing better ratings because to most wrestling fans the WWF is the only legit promotion out there. I know plenty of people that will not watch anything but WWF and would not bother watching TNA or ROH.

 

Is that the fault of TNA's product? Or is it due more to people being conditioned over the years to think of the WWF only when they think of wrestling?

 

When you think of MMA do you think of Bellator first or do you think of the UFC? Of course you think of the UFC because they are the most dominate company. Some people think the name of the sport is UFC (my father), they have no clue that there are other promotions. And I think the same can be said about wrestling. To most folks it is the WWF or nothing.

[Teh_Showtime]

We should see what happens now that UFC has a deal with Fox and Spike rebranding. If TNA changes their product or not and if their numbers change.

[Fantabulous]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We should see what happens now that UFC has a deal with Fox and Spike rebranding. If TNA changes their product or not and if their numbers change.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> TNA are not changing their product. Ever. They've had bigger and better reasons to change it in the past and they've always stuck their fingers in their ears and refused to listen to reason. Nothing suggests they'll change that attitude now. TNA staying on Spike all comes down to the person or people in charge of their rebranding deciding whether TNA fits into that rebranding. Or if Spike come up with a new prime-time show that draws the same number as Impact but generates more ad revenue.</p>

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Whatever gave them that idea...<p> </p><p> <span>http://www.lionsdenu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/hulk_brookehogan.jpg</span></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Good question.</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/brooke-peta.jpg</span></p>

[lazorbeak]

<p>Can we take all the TNA talk to that thread for TNA talk? Showtime is the only person who has made a post relating to WWE, its shows, or its contracted workers on this page.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Having said that, I read the Smackdown spoilers and they are pretty much exactly what anyone watching Summerslam might expect in terms of Orton's next challenger.</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can we take all the TNA talk to that thread for TNA talk? Showtime is the only person who has made a post relating to WWE, its shows, or its contracted workers on this page.<p> </p><p> </p><p> Having said that, I read the Smackdown spoilers and they are pretty much exactly what anyone watching Summerslam might expect in terms of Orton's next challenger.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We might have been talking about TNA, but it was in comparison's, and even the people I didn't agree with were very much on topic, in that we were all discussing the Nash vs. Punk scenario (that may or may not happen). Nash come up, and other questions come up, and since Nash, Angle, Hardy, and many other's that has been in WWF/E before, were or are now in TNA, we made comparisons to help support are ends of a debate, which, if it happens, is CM Punk vs. Kevin Nash a good or bad thing for CM Punk?</p>

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We might have been talking about TNA, but it was in comparison's, and even the people I didn't agree with were very much on topic, in that we were all discussing the Nash vs. Punk scenario (that may or may not happen). Nash come up, and other questions come up, and since Nash, Angle, Hardy, and many other's that has been in WWF/E before, were or are now in TNA, we made comparisons to help support are ends of a debate, which, if it happens, is CM Punk vs. Kevin Nash a good or bad thing for CM Punk?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Getting back to our talk about TNA...seriously why does it matter if we talk about TNA in this thread if, as DJ was saying, it relates to what we were talking about?</p><p> </p><p> Like I said before I would like to have a younger guy in Nash's spot if Nash is going to wrestle. I they are only going to use Nash as someone who attacks Punk both physically and verbally then I am cool with him being in that spot.</p><p> </p><p> What I do not want to see is Nash wrestle. I did not want to see it in TNA and I do not want to see it now. For me what would be ideal would be Nash bringing in a younger guy and acting as this hypothetical worker's manager. So it would be Nash doing all of the talking (which he does the best) and the hypothetical worker doing all of the wrestling for Nash.</p><p> </p><p> Also, I read that the WWF is trying to rebuild their tag team division and they brought in Generation Me for a tryout match. Oops there I go...I am going off topic again talking about workers without an official WWF contract. I better leave before someone reports me for making off topic comments.<img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Getting back to our talk about TNA...seriously why does it matter if we talk about TNA in this thread if, as DJ was saying, it relates to what we were talking about?<p> </p><p> Like I said before I would like to have a younger guy in Nash's spot if Nash is going to wrestle. I they are only going to use Nash as someone who attacks Punk both physically and verbally then I am cool with him being in that spot.</p><p> </p><p> What I do not want to see is Nash wrestle. I did not want to see it in TNA and I do not want to see it now. For me what would be ideal would be Nash bringing in a younger guy and acting as this hypothetical worker's manager. So it would be Nash doing all of the talking (which he does the best) and the hypothetical worker doing all of the wrestling for Nash.</p><p> </p><p> Also, I read that the WWF is trying to rebuild their tag team division and they brought in Generation Me for a tryout match. Oops there I go...I am going off topic again talking about workers without an official WWF contract. I better leave before someone reports me for making off topic comments.<img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In fairness I originally thought he was talking about other posts moreso then ours. Then the other sentence....</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Showtime is the only person who has made a post relating to WWE</span></strong>, its shows, or its contracted workers on this page.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When you look back at the recent posts, this post:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I read somewhere that Brooke Hogan was pissed because people say she slept with her dad.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So I guess you don't consider the likes of Beer Money and "Stuttering" Matt Morgan product of TNA pushes?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We should see what happens now that UFC has a deal with Fox and Spike rebranding. If TNA changes their product or not and if their numbers change.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Is the main person that took WWE completely out of the conversation (and to make it clear, I don't mind, because of the way the conversation was going and all, I still think it was relevant).</p><p> </p><p> lazorbeak's post just didn't make any sense to me is all, really. I dont' mind keeping on topic, and speaking of which...</p><p> </p><p> Just to give everyone a background here, I actually value both BHK's and Arrows points of view. They make me think of things I hadn't before, and I like that. I think we get along as good as anyone can on forums like these, and know each other about best anyone can without meeting each other in person. Also, my wife agree's with them on this particular point, I am standing alone in my opinion moreso then I have ever before (Most of the time, I'm giving opinions of people I know that watch wrestling every week, but aren't a part of the IWC at all... meaning they never go to a wrestling websight, and probably never will). Most of the time, I'm not giving my specific opinion, although I have, and this time is definately an opinion I don't think I share with anyone.</p><p> </p><p> I actually believe if this plays out right, no matter if there is a match or not, a good feud between Punk and Nash, would be good for Punk. I'm thinking New Breed vs. Legend here, and a passing of the torch in some way. I'm not saying that's how it's going to go, I'm hoping that's how it's going to go (in the long run... as I'm hoping for something longer then normal with it).</p><p> </p><p> On the topic of keeping on topic... I can't help but to believe all things related to wrestling, can relate to the WWE Thread in some way... No matter if your talking about WCW and the Monday Night Wars (because the war was with the WWE/F). OR bringing up people that worked for both TNA and WWE, or just ongoings in TNA and WWE in the spirit that they are at war in some form or another. I wouldn't even imagine getting upset about someone mentioning some ongoings from ROH. TNA and ROH have been topics (One open, one hinted) in WWE shows, so why not? It's all related in some form. If your talking about the latest PPV, maybe not so much should it go here, but just general talk and comparing products, why not?</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<p>DJ, I feel left out now. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Punk in my opinion is just to overrated. A Nash/punk feud just doesn't strike any interest. </p><p> </p><p>

Punk is just really not on the level of guys like Nash.</p>

[michgcs]

<p>saw this in the gamefaqs board, thought i'd share it here:</p><p> </p><p>

<span>http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1574/forumsigf.png</span></p>

[Zeel1]

saw this in the gamefaqs board, thought i'd share it here:

 

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1574/forumsigf.png

 

Kinda fun trying to figure out who's who...

[djthefunkchris]

DJ, I feel left out now.

 

Punk in my opinion is just to overrated. A Nash/punk feud just doesn't strike any interest.

 

Punk is just really not on the level of guys like Nash.

 

Punk is over-rated ONLY with internet websights. His potential is shining brighter then anyone I can think of in years.... He's going about it the "right" way IMO. It's totally believable that he can shake up things around the WWE.

 

Saying that, I share what your saying here... As far as I'm concerned, most of the people I "know", think of Nash in almost "Legendary" status. Above even Cena (because of the Legendary type status, not in how much he sells or anything like that). That's exactly the reason I think a feud with Nash, for Punk, will be better for Punk then someone like ADR... A person that I believe most the general public still doesn't know very well yet. IMO, ADR has been pushed as fast and as well as anyone I ever seen pushed before that wasn't actually a "Monster" type... alla Umaga or Khali, etc. and is more on Punk's level then say... John Cena's. SO to me, if I had to choose between the people to fued, I would pick Cena to help pull ADR up, and Nash to elevate Punk.

 

It's not a normal opinion though. Most around here (and other sights) feel that Nash is washed up, going to be a horrible match if they ever go in the ring, and that bassically, he's "below" Punk in terms of a feud. The only thing I really dissagree with is that common assumption that the general public will think that Nash is below Punk. I honestly think people were like "Yeah right, like Nash needs guards against YOU!" in general (not Internet General). However, I also feel that the general Public would naturally "root" for Punk, as he's a face now AND the Underdog (in the general publics view). This will utlimately elevate him, where I believe ADR wouldn't be as much an elevation (although a much better in ring performance), as just two "Almost" Main Eventer's fighting what should be someone more close to Cena's level for the title. This is just my opinion, not meant to be taken as fact. I just think too many people hold this Title prop with too much weight. My opinion, the title can't make a wrestler look better, but it can make the Title carry less work on a lesser worker.

 

I just think Kevin Nash is the more "High Profile" way to go with this... I have very strong doubts that Kevin will actually get in the ring, for whatever reason one might believe (Won't job, doesn't want to get hurt, whatever reason anyone wants to put in there).

[Tha Black Phenom]

I agree, Nash is a fresh character and this storyline will put more attention on Punk since it toys around the authority figure storyline(if things do come together like some predict).

 

Punk would just lose against ADR, and what does he have to say about him anyway? Involve him with veterans like Nash and H and that's where the pipebombs are gonna drop

 

Edit: I really couldn't manage out some of those little guys. Some among which I do recognize easily are a tad funny too.

[BHK1978]

Nash should be arrested on Murder One charages for his part in killing WCW.

 

Seriously though, I can see what you are saying about Nash. I have never really liked him going back to his first run in WCW so maybe I view him with different glasses than others would.

 

Do I consider him a legend?

 

Not really to me to be called a legend you have to be on the same level as Bruno, Hogan, Flair, Race, and Thez and Nash is just not on that level.

 

Will this feud help Punk?

 

I think it should, although I truly do wonder how many of the younger fans know who Nash is and what he has done. I remember when I was a kid I did not see the big deal of someone like Pedro Morales because I had no clue who he was or what he had done at that time. And I have to believe the Little Jimmy's of today have no clue who Kevin Nash is.

 

Like I said Nash will works wonders on the microphone as he is one of the best at that. Just keep him out of the ring and I will be more than happy to see him back in the WWF.

 

Edit: I really couldn't manage out some of those little guys. Some among which I do recognize easily are a tad funny too.

 

Yeah I am having a tough time on some of them as well.

[The Final Countdown]

 

I think it should, although I truly do wonder how many of the younger fans know who Nash is and what he has done. I remember when I was a kid I did not see the big deal of someone like Pedro Morales because I had no clue who he was or what he had done at that time. And I have to believe the Little Jimmy's of today have no clue who Kevin Nash is.

I was just about to say the exact same thing. I seriously doubt that many of the kids in the "CeNation" shirts had ever heard of Nash, aside from his cameo in the Rumble. They did a good job on Raw with establishing his history with HHH, though.

[djthefunkchris]

I was just about to say the exact same thing. I seriously doubt that many of the kids in the "CeNation" shirts had ever heard of Nash, aside from his cameo in the Rumble. They did a good job on Raw with establishing his history with HHH, though.

 

Not to mention, the guy looked awesome... I mean, I think I even heard a few reactions to when he stepped over the top rope. He doesn't look "Hurt" or "Washed Up". A little hair dye did wonder's for him IMO, took off like 10 years (from where I seen him last).

 

I understand your point BHK, but I don't think the "Little Jimmy's" matter with that fued... Little Jimmy's are going to be looking at Cena and ADR. This is for more mature viewers (and about time).

[Tha Black Phenom]

Maybe not, but they've probably kept note of his cameo at the Rumble and must imagine he's "somebody important". Maybe that's all they need.

[djthefunkchris]

Maybe not, but they've probably kept note of his cameo at the Rumble and must imagine he's "somebody important". Maybe that's all they need.

 

I know probably no one would think anything of it, but I can't help but to believe he's not going to have a problem with someone going over him anyways... It's just going to depend on the writer's and fued, IMO.

 

In the Rumble, I don't remember him knocking anyone out of the ring, and I believe it was Wade that kicked Nash out of the ring.. IF I thought he would have a problem with something like jobbing to CM Punk, I would think he would have a problem of not having three or four people to get him out the ring (at the same time), and I would think he would have wanted to throw a couple people over the top ropes himself... If he was actually going to show a sign of having a problem like that.

[BHK1978]

I know probably no one would think anything of it, but I can't help but to believe he's not going to have a problem with someone going over him anyways... It's just going to depend on the writer's and fued, IMO.

 

In the Rumble, I don't remember him knocking anyone out of the ring, and I believe it was Wade that kicked Nash out of the ring.. IF I thought he would have a problem with something like jobbing to CM Punk, I would think he would have a problem of not having three or four people to get him out the ring (at the same time), and I would think he would have wanted to throw a couple people over the top ropes himself... If he was actually going to show a sign of having a problem like that.

 

Maybe he realizes that this is his last chance at the big dance so he will be more willing to do stuff that he normally would not do when he was younger.

[Basmat01]

Not to mention, the guy looked awesome... I mean, I think I even heard a few reactions to when he stepped over the top rope. He doesn't look "Hurt" or "Washed Up". A little hair dye did wonder's for him IMO, took off like 10 years (from where I seen him last).

 

I agree its hard to believe that his 52 years old.

 

With the CM-Nash promo I thought Nash looked alittle overwhelmed by some of CM Punk comments and stuggled to keep up with Punk. I really think that Nash didnt know what was going to come out of Punks mouth.

[Fantabulous]

Nash is not a legend and it's laughable to suggest such a thing. He's also very overrated on the mic; he was only ever good on the mic when he was burying people and even then, as Punk showed Monday and has been shown before in WCW, he can quite easily be shown up by a quicker wit.

 

Like I've said before, even if Nash wants to put Punk over the right way, there's no telling if he physically can. I was watching a Nash match from early 2009 a few days ago, and he could barely move around the ring. He was slow and awkward and everything he did, which wasn't much, was so slow. This was over two years ago and who knows what kind of shape he's in now. Punk was hot coming off of the Cena angle, and putting him with Nash, even if the intentions are honourable, is a momentum killer. Whatever interest is generated by either party, once the bell rings and they actually have to wrestle, it's over. The illusion of Nash will be shattered and reality will come crashing down.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Who says they have to wrestle... the storyline can go in ways where he wouldn't have to wrestle if he really couldn't. And even if they did, they won't play it off as a drawn-out one-on-one contest if Nash can't go.

 

ADR left with the title but in the back of most viewers' minds, they can't see Punk as a scrub anymore. He went over Cena twice in a row on PPV, in two back-to-back heavily built storylines.